RedRock Posted February 6, 2021 Report Share Posted February 6, 2021 1 hour ago, Alessandro said: The £1m dollar question though that answers so many of all our debates... Was Holden SL or MA? SL? Holden will, eventually go, MA will stay, and we go again. MA? Maybe, just maybe MA goes to, along with some of the people who are seemingly holding the club back. That’s the question for me..because our chairman, JL, is seemingly powerless in this whole equation and he’s the one who at least is around a bit more than the owner. I find it difficult to believe that SL would go on to national radio and refer to the need for a breath of fresh air and someone who can push us on to the next level....and then appoint a novice manager who was part of the previous regime. MAs desire to maintain the status quo so to remain all powerful can be the only explanation for Holden’s appointment for me. SL has now been made to look foolish. The blocking the acquisition of a replacement left back may be the warning shot across MAs bows. Hopefully, a torpedo will follow to mid-ships assuming we get dispatched from the Cup on Wednesday. He may, unfortunately, get a stay of execution if we win - which is a possibility as I suspect Sheffield Utd are more focused on retaining their Premier League status. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greedo Posted February 6, 2021 Report Share Posted February 6, 2021 4 minutes ago, 054123 said: Love it, whether you agree or not, there’s nothing wrong with peaceful protest. Better than apathy. 100% agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniro Posted February 6, 2021 Report Share Posted February 6, 2021 4 hours ago, Mendip City said: You won’t hear from the Lansdown’s not while the going is shit. Unless it’s an SL petulant “my club, I’ll do what I want” comment. Expect to see Steve next, patting himself on the back, when we’re getting promoted back to the championship in a few years time. SL runs a sport business - City bobbing up and down between L1 and Championship is good business Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cidre Monita Posted February 6, 2021 Report Share Posted February 6, 2021 46 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: The problem with that, one of the problems with that obviously no appointment is a guarantee but say we recruit Cook, or another experienced manager, he hires a load of players on 3 year contracts. This summer could be crucial btw, a fork in the road- many out of contract, transition from Covid football to a bit of normality hopefully. Anyway, say we do that- and they don't mesh. We sack Cook because we're down in the bottom 3, new manager comes in...and is stuck with a load of players he doesn't want or who don't fit his approach! Players we can't get rid of. What then? Karanka at Birmingham had a 3 year deal- they're in the Bottom 3 tonight, suspect he had a heavy input into the recruitment? I know that club will take some turning round but...Experienced manager- backed him within financial constraints- stagnated or got worse! What's the Brentford model with respect to that? They're quite heavily into Recruitment Analysis...? Brentford have their own proprietary analysis model , based on finding players for a very specific club profile. However, they also have a dedicated scouting network, that then perform significant on the ground research and analysis of players highlighted. It is a combination. We don't have a club defined playing approach or philosophy, so how you even start to recruit for a system you have not even defined, well that is another aspect that leads us to have an unbalanced squad, where players arrive and we then seem to try and work out where they fit it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slartibartfast Posted February 6, 2021 Report Share Posted February 6, 2021 4 hours ago, Red Army 75 said: Jon Lansdown haven’t heard from him for a while Suits me fine, I can't stand his whiney little voice (sounds like he'll burst into tears any moment) , let alone anything he has to say ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mendip City Posted February 6, 2021 Report Share Posted February 6, 2021 3 minutes ago, Daniro said: SL runs a sport business - City bobbing up and down between L1 and Championship is good business Don’t really understand your point. It might be good for him but irrelevant to us (most of us) as supporters of a football team and not followers of some billionaire’s business dealings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyTonyTony Posted February 6, 2021 Report Share Posted February 6, 2021 2 minutes ago, Daniro said: City bobbing up and down between L1 and Championship is good business Yes - having fluctuating and unpredictable revenue is always good for a business Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Dante Posted February 6, 2021 Report Share Posted February 6, 2021 I think there are questions at all parts of the hierarchy - and there are a lot of things to untangle, so let’s think of the big questions: Who appointed DH I get the theory that MA wanted DH as it consolidated his power base - but the counter to that is that if DH fails, MA is harmed. He’d want a manager who was good enough to do well, but not too powerful to remove him. We all see people in work who take credit for others work - MA is an oily bugger and he’d definitely do the trade off of less power for reflected credit. So, I find it very hard to believe MA appointed DH as it was always high risk and he’d be tainted by failure. So, I think it had to be SL Why DH? I don’t actually believe this was a “working in the structure” appointment (see above). Look at SLs appointments, and his weakness. He likes to appoint people he knows and gets on with - LJ was anointed, GJ and SL in tears at the conference when he left. As with Millen, SL wanted DH to succeed because he knew him, liked him, and wanted to give him a shot. SL looks to me to have appointed on this basis and this basis alone - unfortunately, and unusually for someone in business, he’s never heard of the Peter Principle Is SL interested/happy? For all the fault, I find it hard to justify the arguments made that SL is happy in the champ, or cares about the Rugby more. We are the biggest cost in Bristol sport, with the biggest fan base, in a sport with the biggest financial upside. Why in the heck would he be happy at this level? He’s not - he’s funded signings of a good level this year, and that says he’s still interested. I’d knock him for decisions, but not for support. Where do we go from here? Is it down to league one, I fear? No. not this year. But unless something changes, next year. The problem as I see it is not that Ashton has too much power, but that he’s not empowered to make the most important decision (manager). I think he is empowered to employ the physio team (and that’s an issue) but not the manager. And he’s happy with that as he picks up his salary. What needs to happen is someone coming in instead of Ashton as CEO/DOF with real football experience and the guts to stand up to SL. It then also needs a new management team. And any coach/manager would work with a DOF - it’s the base expectation. So, my conclusion - SL picked Holden for bad reasons - SL remains engaged - SL however is misadvised as MA is more concerned about looking good than real results - MA needs to go - DH etc need to go - SL needs to be told by a decent DOF what to do, and leave the big decisions alone So disillusioned with the whole thing at the moment! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted February 6, 2021 Report Share Posted February 6, 2021 So far Mark Ashton has - for all his talk of '20 years in this industry' and his contacts in football and 'planning ahead' and 'consulting throughout the football Industry' has .... after twice undergoing 6 week periods of extensive interviews.... appointed:. Steve Lansdown's mate, and Steve Lansdown's mate's mate. He's a fraud . This was posted @CodeRed in another thread. I thought it should be shared! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ska Junkie Posted February 6, 2021 Report Share Posted February 6, 2021 24 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said: I think there are questions at all parts of the hierarchy - and there are a lot of things to untangle, so let’s think of the big questions: Who appointed DH I get the theory that MA wanted DH as it consolidated his power base - but the counter to that is that if DH fails, MA is harmed. He’d want a manager who was good enough to do well, but not too powerful to remove him. We all see people in work who take credit for others work - MA is an oily bugger and he’d definitely do the trade off of less power for reflected credit. So, I find it very hard to believe MA appointed DH as it was always high risk and he’d be tainted by failure. So, I think it had to be SL Why DH? I don’t actually believe this was a “working in the structure” appointment (see above). Look at SLs appointments, and his weakness. He likes to appoint people he knows and gets on with - LJ was anointed, GJ and SL in tears at the conference when he left. As with Millen, SL wanted DH to succeed because he knew him, liked him, and wanted to give him a shot. SL looks to me to have appointed on this basis and this basis alone - unfortunately, and unusually for someone in business, he’s never heard of the Peter Principle Is SL interested/happy? For all the fault, I find it hard to justify the arguments made that SL is happy in the champ, or cares about the Rugby more. We are the biggest cost in Bristol sport, with the biggest fan base, in a sport with the biggest financial upside. Why in the heck would he be happy at this level? He’s not - he’s funded signings of a good level this year, and that says he’s still interested. I’d knock him for decisions, but not for support. Where do we go from here? Is it down to league one, I fear? No. not this year. But unless something changes, next year. The problem as I see it is not that Ashton has too much power, but that he’s not empowered to make the most important decision (manager). I think he is empowered to employ the physio team (and that’s an issue) but not the manager. And he’s happy with that as he picks up his salary. What needs to happen is someone coming in instead of Ashton as CEO/DOF with real football experience and the guts to stand up to SL. It then also needs a new management team. And any coach/manager would work with a DOF - it’s the base expectation. So, my conclusion - SL picked Holden for bad reasons - SL remains engaged - SL however is misadvised as MA is more concerned about looking good than real results - MA needs to go - DH etc need to go - SL needs to be told by a decent DOF what to do, and leave the big decisions alone So disillusioned with the whole thing at the moment! Excellent post Silvio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniro Posted February 6, 2021 Report Share Posted February 6, 2021 44 minutes ago, Mendip City said: Don’t really understand your point. It might be good for him but irrelevant to us (most of us) as supporters of a football team and not followers of some billionaire’s business dealings. My point is that how we feel as supporters of a football team is irrelevant to a tax exile billionaire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted February 6, 2021 Report Share Posted February 6, 2021 49 minutes ago, Daniro said: SL runs a sport business - City bobbing up and down between L1 and Championship is good business Sorry but that’s rubbish. The only good business in football is the premier league . If you think he’s happy propping up £20m losses every season , you’re very much mistaken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniro Posted February 6, 2021 Report Share Posted February 6, 2021 1 minute ago, steviestevieneville said: Sorry but that’s rubbish. The only good business in football is the premier league . If you think he’s happy propping up £20m losses every season , you’re very much mistaken Have you checked out his property development business in Ashton Vale lately? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tin Posted February 6, 2021 Report Share Posted February 6, 2021 Ashton out Rolls and Proctor out Werhun out Holden out Simpson and Downing out Director of football in Medics without a history of negligence in Statisticians and an extensive scouting network in Cook or Pearson and their own assistants in. Mark Ashton is a bullshitting charlatan of the highest order. Others refer to him as a cancer within the club, I agree he needs to be removed. The Lansdowns need to wise up to this bullshitter and realise — after 20 years — they have no clue about the football side of the business. Hire a DoF who does or continue to be taken be taken as mugs and be gripped by inertia as we slip into L1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniro Posted February 6, 2021 Report Share Posted February 6, 2021 48 minutes ago, TonyTonyTony said: Yes - having fluctuating and unpredictable revenue is always good for a business The Eggchasers are winning lovely last time I checked and have you seen the prices of houses in Ashton Vale? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AppyDAZE Posted February 6, 2021 Report Share Posted February 6, 2021 Go on, pour yourself a drink and treat yourself to a bit of the man himself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted February 6, 2021 Report Share Posted February 6, 2021 1 minute ago, steviestevieneville said: Sorry but that’s rubbish. The only good business in football is the premier league . If you think he’s happy propping up £20m losses every season , you’re very much mistaken Fair point, but why oh why does he constantly make the wrong decisions to get us in the top flight. He must see that what is currently in place won't achieve that, or he isn't bothered about top flight football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AppyDAZE Posted February 6, 2021 Report Share Posted February 6, 2021 Three oustanding humans that we have at the football club Cheers, Mark but I'd prefer 3 ***** in charge, if it meant watching a bit of decent football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AppyDAZE Posted February 6, 2021 Report Share Posted February 6, 2021 Lansdown's puppet or total ***. I still can't quite decide, to be honest. Looking back on that interview, where he says Dean Holden was the outstanding candidate, and I'm not sure he believes that for one second. I keep getting the image of Ashton answering his phone to SL, and saying... you want me to tell them what??? Dean Holden, okaaaay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted February 6, 2021 Report Share Posted February 6, 2021 11 minutes ago, Roger Red Hat said: Fair point, but why oh why does he constantly make the wrong decisions to get us in the top flight. He must see that what is currently in place won't achieve that, or he isn't bothered about top flight football. Because he’s not a football person . It’s not in his blood. Remember , he only got involved because Jon wanted to watch city. I genuinely believe he knows nothing about the game , he doesn’t get it . If you sat him down and asked how he’d like us to play . He wouldn’t be able to answer you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bassomylord Posted February 6, 2021 Report Share Posted February 6, 2021 17 minutes ago, AppyDAZE said: Go on, pour yourself a drink and treat yourself to a bit of the man himself Painful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted February 6, 2021 Report Share Posted February 6, 2021 17 minutes ago, Daniro said: Have you checked out his property development business in Ashton Vale lately? That has nothing to do with football . Remember , bought that land to build a stadium and the selling of those houses will offset a lot of the finance for the arena . He can build all the shinny things he wants. What actually matters is on the pitch and we’ll never achieve it with him. it’ll all look great , the stadium , training ground , arena etc . With no one in it . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniro Posted February 6, 2021 Report Share Posted February 6, 2021 7 minutes ago, steviestevieneville said: That has nothing to do with football . Remember , bought that land to build a stadium and the selling of those houses will offset a lot of the finance for the arena . He can build all the shinny things he wants. What actually matters is on the pitch and we’ll never achieve it with him. it’ll all look great , the stadium , training ground , arena etc . With no one in it . I think we're in agreement - SL has lost interest in the football part of it because it's not successful, l but he is a business man at heart and he can still make money out of the overall business model. the Academy will keep providing him with player (assets) he can sell or deploy. Ashton is good at selling. the conferencing / arena business and the rugby etc. will keep growing so that ticks his achievement needs. the property development in Ashton Vale will make millions so as long as City don't lose too much he's ok. Promotion chases from League one make money. He doesn't really have to care anymore that his "grow your own head coach" strategy is not going to get us promoted and he's too old to risk scrapping his Director of Football approach. He'd never tolerate someone like Mick mccarthy when he can get an ape like Ashton to mouth off sh!te. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted February 6, 2021 Report Share Posted February 6, 2021 6 hours ago, LoyalRed said: We will never get a decent manager with Ashton in charge, can’t believe we could have got Hughton, a class act ! I reckon it was pretty obvious that Hughton’s interview included exchanges such as: ”Thank you for your time Mr Lansdown, but just to be clear, can I just confirm that I can’t recommend any players to be signed without running them by MA? I can’t sign anyone without the approval of MA? I can’t sell any player without MA signing it off? I can’t appoint any coaching staff without MA being happy with them? Oh, ok, in that case you can shove your job - I’m off to actually ‘manage’ a club - I suggest you appoint a nodding dog with zero experience and zero achievements - what about the guy who worked with LJ during his years of under-achievement? Best of luck Mr L...” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Constant Rabbit Posted February 6, 2021 Report Share Posted February 6, 2021 47 minutes ago, steviestevieneville said: That has nothing to do with football . Remember , bought that land to build a stadium and the selling of those houses will offset a lot of the finance for the arena . He can build all the shinny things he wants. What actually matters is on the pitch and we’ll never achieve it with him. it’ll all look great , the stadium , training ground , arena etc . With no one in it . Correct - SL no longer cares about BCFC. Championship Football is the aim. No up. No down. 11 pts from safety with 18 games = Holdens safe. Make it 6 pts with 10 games left and Holdens a goner. We are a paying tenant in his South Bristol Real Estate / Sports venture - nothing more than an attraction to the new owners, with Prem football the key incentive - but secondary to the undeveloped AV potential remaining. Ashton does as Lansdown says. The ultimate fluffer. The only things allegedly stopping new ownership right now: Outstanding PP for some Ashton Vale ventures, Flyers arena consent for other uses, @Kid in the Riot and a recent desire to retain control of the Bears by the boss. Add covid, and there is now a delay New ownership by 2025 I was told with more than a hint of irony, that the new love-in with The Bears might lead to them leaving AG under SL's continued ownership. Wouldn't it be funny if the Bears went back to the Mem, with this owner. A rich owner. One who doesn't like leasing stadiums. Irony indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted February 6, 2021 Report Share Posted February 6, 2021 42 minutes ago, Daniro said: I think we're in agreement - SL has lost interest in the football part of it because it's not successful, l but he is a business man at heart and he can still make money out of the overall business model. the Academy will keep providing him with player (assets) he can sell or deploy. Ashton is good at selling. the conferencing / arena business and the rugby etc. will keep growing so that ticks his achievement needs. the property development in Ashton Vale will make millions so as long as City don't lose too much he's ok. Promotion chases from League one make money. He doesn't really have to care anymore that his "grow your own head coach" strategy is not going to get us promoted and he's too old to risk scrapping his Director of Football approach. He'd never tolerate someone like Mick mccarthy when he can get an ape like Ashton to mouth off sh!te. I don’t think he’s lost interest in the football side. For the twenty years he’s been in charge I’ve always said he doesn’t understand it as a game . He’s not a football man . His choice of managers , apart from Gary Johnson has been a failure. Cotts was Kieth Dawes appointment not SL’s and he couldn’t wait to sack him . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havanatopia Posted February 6, 2021 Report Share Posted February 6, 2021 7 hours ago, LoyalRed said: We will never get a decent manager with Ashton in charge, can’t believe we could have got Hughton, a class act ! To be fair he has only presided over two, really. Those two, admittedly, are not very good, or somewhat to marginally worse than that, but then you can go back nigh on a dozen managers before them and the only decent ones would be TC, GJ and SC with an honourable mention in 4th place for Joe Jordan. I mean think of the horror stories we had; all Ashton has done is sprinkle the boardroom and microphone with garbage spin that everybody sees through; even his barber shop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bassomylord Posted February 6, 2021 Report Share Posted February 6, 2021 5 minutes ago, steviestevieneville said: I don’t think he’s lost interest in the football side. For the twenty years he’s been in charge I’ve always said he doesn’t understand it as a game . He’s not a football man . His choice of managers , apart from Gary Johnson has been a failure. Cotts was Kieth Dawes appointment not SL’s and he couldn’t wait to sack him . to be fair Mcinnes wasn't his signing either and look how that turned out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ska Junkie Posted February 6, 2021 Report Share Posted February 6, 2021 16 minutes ago, The Constant Rabbit said: Wouldn't it be funny if the Bears went back to the Mem, with this owner. A rich owner. One who doesn't like leasing stadiums. Irony indeed. Be even funnier if he built them a stadium at the fruit market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted February 6, 2021 Report Share Posted February 6, 2021 9 minutes ago, Bassomylord said: to be fair Mcinnes wasn't his signing either and look how that turned out You’ll have to enlighten me on mciiines then. I think we’re as Mr Ashton would say “aligned “ that our managerial appointments by & large over his20 year ownership has been shite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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