dREDful Posted March 10, 2021 Report Share Posted March 10, 2021 11 hours ago, E.G.Red said: Are you still 100% sure? I think he's reaping the benefit of managing a club on merit and not being tainted with accusations of nepotism. No doubt he's relishing his possible return to the gate next season . Very much so. It's not like he's never had a good run before when he's had injuries. I would expect him to lose in the play offs (it is Sunderland after all), lose some players, sign some players, struggle to know what he wants to do and history repeats itself. Ultimately I'm not fussed either way, that's just my prediction, he's gone thankfully. One thing I know is that looking at how our players can barely execute the most basic of football skills during a match day these days (and it's been getting progressively worse over the last few years to this point) I am delighted we will never have him, Holden and Macca "coaching" anyone at this football club again. Sunderland can go up or stay down, we should feel lucky he's not our problem anymore. 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted March 10, 2021 Report Share Posted March 10, 2021 18 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said: Sounds as if Sunderland are starting to play with 'identity' and passing the ball quickly and playing attacking football. Which is what we were treated to that season when we had a strong League Cup run. Then the random transfer policy kicked in fully coupled with a new tombola and everything started going to shit. I always thought it would be interesting to see what Johnson could do if he had (as far as I know) more autonomy over transfers and had to work with what he had. I think he can clearly spot a good player and improve them. The job here was probably too early for him really so all things considered he did a decent job. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Dante Posted March 10, 2021 Report Share Posted March 10, 2021 4 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said: Sounds as if Sunderland are starting to play with 'identity' and passing the ball quickly and playing attacking football. Which is what we were treated to that season when we had a strong League Cup run. Then the random transfer policy kicked in fully coupled with a new tombola and everything started going to shit. I believe at Sunderland LJs one signing has been Winchester from FGR, who he had at Oldham - so clearly his decision. What I’m wondering is whether he will keep control of transfer policy. This may clarify the LJ/MA debate.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted March 10, 2021 Report Share Posted March 10, 2021 7 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Partly because it’s quite possible he’s on decent money already (Sunderland will be paying more than some Champ clubs), playing every week....and no guarantee that the type of club he might go to will be able to offer him the financial rewards that outweigh his current (rumoured) £6k+ p.w. And guarantees of playing. Only my thoughts. A different view for sure. When ‘possibles’ like Wyke crop up from a lower league I get several thoughts on how such a player might be attracted to a club like City My first thought is always money. Many players are motivated my it and City could afford to up his wages along with a 3 year contract with various add ons including the option of an extra year. I then think that money apart, the desire to play at the highest level possible is another attraction for many players. Then I consider the players age and with Wyke at 29 will have 4 maybe 5 years left at a decent level. After that the big money pretty much stops If Big Nige likes him and with LJ being a former manager and aware of the financial situation at AG - who knows what might happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC RISK77 Posted March 10, 2021 Report Share Posted March 10, 2021 I like Lee and glad he is doing well, I think he will take them up this year and also win the EFL. Sunderland are starting to appear more on my weekly bets and looks like he has some real momentum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted March 10, 2021 Report Share Posted March 10, 2021 On 19/02/2021 at 15:50, SecretSam said: OK, fair enough. One thought that does occur: do we have to overpay on wages because of where we are? London, midlands or north west clubs all have other clubs near. We don't, so if you settle here, there's more of a risk of upheaval? Just a thought. We have , traditionally, ‘ overpaid ‘ on wages to attract players to an unfashionable club. In our Old First Division days we were one of the highest payers. Peter McCormack got a big wage increase coming from Liverpool, as he wrote in his book. We can only imagine what the other ‘ star ‘ men were on but Norman Hunter and Joe Royle would not have upped sticks for the pleasure of a relegation battle with a club in the West Country with a history of mediocrity without some sort of incentive. Whilst geographically we aren’t in a footballing hotbed I don’t believe that that is a major concern for today’s players who would be looking more at whether they could advance their careers at Ashton Gate than the proximity of their friends and family, Josh Brownhill being a good example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted March 10, 2021 Report Share Posted March 10, 2021 3 hours ago, Robbored said: A different view for sure. When ‘possibles’ like Wyke crop up from a lower league I get several thoughts on how such a player might be attracted to a club like City My first thought is always money. Many players are motivated my it and City could afford to up his wages along with a 3 year contract with various add ons including the option of an extra year. I then think that money apart, the desire to play at the highest level possible is another attraction for many players. Then I consider the players age and with Wyke at 29 will have 4 maybe 5 years left at a decent level. After that the big money pretty much stops If Big Nige likes him and with LJ being a former manager and aware of the financial situation at AG - who knows what might happen. The big questions (amongst others) for a player at this age (any age really) are: is he having a purple patch? why has he been in bottom two divisions all his career does he look like he can step-up to the level above is he just about goals, what’s the rest of his game like are the goals he scores transferable to Champ, e.g. does he score a lot of 1-on-1s from long balls, because you see less of them at the level above is he scoring because he’s in a good side, how has he performed in a lesser side, is he linking well with a particular player etc etc Before you start looking at how he’d fit into your current or potential system. That’s where you hope Talent ID does it’s stuff. Im sure he’s on lots of clubs radars, on the volume of goals scored. Rightly so. But he’s a very different type of player to Toney. Im not dismissing him as a target for any champ club, just giving some thoughts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted March 10, 2021 Report Share Posted March 10, 2021 5 hours ago, Silvio Dante said: I believe at Sunderland LJs one signing has been Winchester from FGR, who he had at Oldham - so clearly his decision. What I’m wondering is whether he will keep control of transfer policy. This may clarify the LJ/MA debate.. They are appointing a new ‘Head Scout’ at the end of this month. It’ll be interesting to see what ‘type’ this will be, ie someone in a exec position appointed by the new owner (ie an Ashton-type) or someone with a true football recruitment background (ie a Burt-type). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted March 10, 2021 Report Share Posted March 10, 2021 Seems he's been bestowed the highest honour Sunderland has to offer. He's had a pizzeria named after him. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petehinton Posted March 10, 2021 Report Share Posted March 10, 2021 13 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: Seems he's been bestowed the highest honour Sunderland has to offer. He's had a pizzeria named after him. Is a Papa Johns PR stunt for the game Sunday apparently. One for tranmere too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alessandro Posted March 14, 2021 Report Share Posted March 14, 2021 Congrats to LJ - first bit of silverware. I'm sure the Sunderland fans are loving that. Seems to have galvanised Sunderland - got them on the kind of roll that ends up with promotion. I for one would be happy to see him and Sunderland in the championship and on merit too. 14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiltshire robin Posted March 14, 2021 Report Share Posted March 14, 2021 8 minutes ago, Alessandro said: Congrats to LJ - first bit of silverware. I'm sure the Sunderland fans are loving that. Seems to have galvanised Sunderland - got them on the kind of roll that ends up with promotion. I for one would be happy to see him and Sunderland in the championship and on merit too. Is there two finals now ? I swear Salford won yesterday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted March 14, 2021 Report Share Posted March 14, 2021 On 10/03/2021 at 16:57, Kid in the Riot said: Seems he's been bestowed the highest honour Sunderland has to offer. He's had a pizzeria named after him. Bet he measures the height, and see’s how many box entries it’s had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted March 14, 2021 Report Share Posted March 14, 2021 3 minutes ago, Wiltshire robin said: Is there two finals now ? I swear Salford won yesterday That was last season’s final that wasn’t played because of Covid. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted March 14, 2021 Report Share Posted March 14, 2021 If they do get through the playoffs or manage to catch enough clubs to make top 2, I can see LJ looking at a few of those we have who are out of contract but clearly good enough for a side promoted into The Championship, the likes of Hunt, Watkins & possibly Paterson might all be of interest to him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrongagain Posted March 14, 2021 Report Share Posted March 14, 2021 On 10/02/2021 at 00:54, Mendip City said: As if that wasn’t bad enough.... to rub our noses in it we get the Cretin’s apprentice! At least the builders in Sunderland will be happy, all the doorways in the stadium offices will have to enlarged to cope with the ego passing through! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted March 14, 2021 Report Share Posted March 14, 2021 5 minutes ago, GrahamC said: If they do get through the playoffs or manage to catch enough clubs to make top 2, I can see LJ looking at a few of those we have who are out of contract but clearly good enough for a side promoted into The Championship, the likes of Hunt, Watkins & possibly Paterson might all be of interest to him. He was allegedly after one of our ex-midfielders in the Jan window. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted March 14, 2021 Report Share Posted March 14, 2021 4 minutes ago, Davefevs said: He was allegedly after one of our ex-midfielders in the Jan window. I know he likes Brownhill but the guy needs to be realistic! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selred Posted March 14, 2021 Report Share Posted March 14, 2021 5 minutes ago, Davefevs said: He was allegedly after one of our ex-midfielders in the Jan window. Morrell? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Silvio Dante Posted March 14, 2021 Report Share Posted March 14, 2021 29 minutes ago, Portland Bill said: That was last season’s final that wasn’t played because of Covid. And now Salford are a future quiz answer. They’re the shortest reigning champions of any English trophy, at less than 24 hours. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted March 14, 2021 Report Share Posted March 14, 2021 16 minutes ago, Selred said: Morrell? Haha, no, that would’ve been funny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted March 14, 2021 Report Share Posted March 14, 2021 11 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Haha, no, that would’ve been funny. Szmodics? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted March 14, 2021 Report Share Posted March 14, 2021 16 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said: And now Salford are a future quiz answer. They’re the shortest reigning champions of any English trophy, at less than 24 hours. It seems odd they couldn`t have played it early season unless they were hoping that by leaving it till now fans would have maybe been allowed back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron W Posted March 14, 2021 Report Share Posted March 14, 2021 2 hours ago, Lanterne Rouge said: It seems odd they couldn`t have played it early season unless they were hoping that by leaving it till now fans would have maybe been allowed back. When there’s sod all income for the trophy and everyone’s lost enough money anyway, it might well just be not having to spend cash decorating Wembley out like a pizzeria on two separate occasions in the same season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cardy Posted March 14, 2021 Report Share Posted March 14, 2021 On 10/03/2021 at 10:25, Bristol Rob said: Sounds as if Sunderland are starting to play with 'identity' and passing the ball quickly and playing attacking football. Which is what we were treated to that season when we had a strong League Cup run. Then the random transfer policy kicked in fully coupled with a new tombola and everything started going to shit. You mean when Mark Ashton decided to get too involved? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Street red Posted March 14, 2021 Report Share Posted March 14, 2021 On 10/03/2021 at 16:57, Kid in the Riot said: Seems he's been bestowed the highest honour Sunderland has to offer. He's had a pizzeria named after him. Nice front window wait until they go on a 12 game losing run pizzas will be flying back through the window Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddoh Posted March 14, 2021 Report Share Posted March 14, 2021 17 minutes ago, Street red said: Nice front window wait until they go on a 12 game losing run pizzas will be flying back through the window would have gone with papa johns son myself. 3 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unan Posted March 14, 2021 Report Share Posted March 14, 2021 I've said it before and I'll say it again. This club will return to the Premier League with Lee Johnson at the helm! https://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/leadbitter-talking-about-johnson.1545007/page-3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveller Posted March 14, 2021 Report Share Posted March 14, 2021 21 minutes ago, Banned User said: I've said it before and I'll say it again. This club will return to the Premier League with Lee Johnson at the helm! https://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/leadbitter-talking-about-johnson.1545007/page-3 Let’s face it, next season will be fascinating if they do get promoted! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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