Waconda Posted February 12, 2022 Report Share Posted February 12, 2022 1 minute ago, Davefevs said: He struggled or the club’s finances constrained him? I thought he recruited brilliantly in the circumstances. I wish he’d been in charge of our recruitment in the past 5 years or so. He struggled because of the financial restraints. Gives him an excuse but difficult to judge his signings. But things started to go wrong at Preston when his long term squad began to break up. Not able to replicate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted February 12, 2022 Report Share Posted February 12, 2022 6 minutes ago, VT05763 said: He struggled because of the financial restraints. Gives him an excuse but difficult to judge his signings. But things started to go wrong at Preston when his long term squad began to break up. Not able to replicate. Just coming at this from a simple position… …Alex Neil’s Preston finishes above City in all bar one season since we both got promoted, on a hugely constrained budget compared to ours, we on the flipside spunk money all over the place, and it’s difficult to judge his signings? His last signing was Emil Riis Jakobson! Maybe time to move on, agreed, but his recruitment at Preston was pretty darn good imho. Happy if you disagree though…all about opinions. (note: he signed Timm Klose for Norwich) 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waconda Posted February 12, 2022 Report Share Posted February 12, 2022 Just now, Davefevs said: Just coming at this from a simple position… …Alex Neil’s Preston finishes above City in all bar one season since we both got promoted, on a hugely constrained budget compared to ours, we on the flipside spunk money all over the place, and it’s difficult to judge his signings? His last signing was Emil Riis Jakobson! Maybe time to move on, agreed, but his recruitment at Preston was pretty darn good imho. Happy if you disagree though…all about opinions. (note: he signed Timm Klose for Norwich) Yep have to disagree - Once Pearson et al left he could not rebuild. Don't get me wrong exactly the type of manager that we needed here post Holden - get the most out of what we had. Just think that is his thing, do well with less. Sacked at Norwich and sacked at Preston. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted February 12, 2022 Report Share Posted February 12, 2022 18 minutes ago, VT05763 said: Yep have to disagree - Once Pearson et al left he could not rebuild. Don't get me wrong exactly the type of manager that we needed here post Holden - get the most out of what we had. Just think that is his thing, do well with less. Sacked at Norwich and sacked at Preston. Which is most managers remit bar the big 6. (He did get Norwich promoted!) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted February 12, 2022 Report Share Posted February 12, 2022 1 hour ago, VT05763 said: Yep have to disagree - Once Pearson et al left he could not rebuild. Don't get me wrong exactly the type of manager that we needed here post Holden - get the most out of what we had. Just think that is his thing, do well with less. Sacked at Norwich and sacked at Preston. To say he struggled at Preston is quite clearly incorrect. His time there was successful when viewed as a whole project of work. If your stance is if a manager gets sacked then the whole time at a club has been a failure, as you imply, then I’d strongly disagree. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted February 12, 2022 Report Share Posted February 12, 2022 2 hours ago, VT05763 said: He struggled because of the financial restraints. Gives him an excuse but difficult to judge his signings. But things started to go wrong at Preston when his long term squad began to break up. Not able to replicate. When you sell Hugill and only get funds to get someone like Stockley of course you’re going to struggle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selred Posted February 12, 2022 Report Share Posted February 12, 2022 1 hour ago, And Its Smith said: To say he struggled at Preston is quite clearly incorrect. His time there was successful when viewed as a whole project of work. If your stance is if a manager gets sacked then the whole time at a club has been a failure, as you imply, then I’d strongly disagree. You either die a hero or live long enough to become a villain. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unan Posted February 12, 2022 Report Share Posted February 12, 2022 (edited) Edited February 12, 2022 by Marcus Aurelius Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedLionLad Posted February 12, 2022 Report Share Posted February 12, 2022 (edited) 1-0 down to Wimbledon. Was LJ the real problem? EDIT : 1-1 Edited February 12, 2022 by RedLionLad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waconda Posted February 12, 2022 Report Share Posted February 12, 2022 3 hours ago, And Its Smith said: To say he struggled at Preston is quite clearly incorrect. His time there was successful when viewed as a whole project of work. If your stance is if a manager gets sacked then the whole time at a club has been a failure, as you imply, then I’d strongly disagree. Not what I said, he was very successful with a very limited squad, once that started to break up he was unable to sustain it with with the replacements. I would have been happy with him here after Holden. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted February 12, 2022 Report Share Posted February 12, 2022 3 hours ago, RedLionLad said: 1-0 down to Wimbledon. Was LJ the real problem? EDIT : 1-1 They lost 2 games in 14 leading to his sacking (albeit his final game was a hammering) They have picked up 1 point from the following 3 games and gone from 2 points off the top, to 10 points adrift of that now. Stupid decision and I hope they fail miserably. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon79 Posted February 12, 2022 Report Share Posted February 12, 2022 10 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said: They lost 2 games in 14 leading to his sacking (albeit his final game was a hammering) They have picked up 1 point from the following 3 games and gone from 2 points off the top, to 10 points adrift of that now. Stupid decision and I hope they fail miserably. Got to agree. Think I read somewhere that they picked up more points in the calendar year than any other club in England. On top of losing his top striker at the end of last season & from my very minimal knowledge of their transfer dealings, they’ve spent hardly anything ( although a Sunderland fan on here seemed to think they have spent a lot on loans & wages ). Don’t think he’ll be out of the game too long in all honesty. COYR 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Oil Services Posted February 12, 2022 Report Share Posted February 12, 2022 On 10/02/2022 at 19:59, Merrick's Marvels said: Not watched any of that netflix stuff. But their fanzine was one of my favourites, back in the day. And Jonathan Wilson of course. So not all bad. And little of the delusional entitlement found on the other side of the Tyne. I still have original 1980s copies of the somewhat sober and serious "Wise Men Say (Johnson Out)" If you'd like to buy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
!james Posted February 15, 2022 Report Share Posted February 15, 2022 Sunderland fans not happy! Seems a lot more going on in the background... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lew-T Posted February 15, 2022 Report Share Posted February 15, 2022 Another Sunderland Till I Die series would have been interesting under LJ’s reign. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedLionLad Posted February 19, 2022 Report Share Posted February 19, 2022 Out of the play-off places. Last 4 results since the sacking…. W0 - D1 - L3 Just one point out of a possible 12. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimme Shelton Posted February 19, 2022 Report Share Posted February 19, 2022 6 minutes ago, RedLionLad said: Out of the play-off places. Last 4 results since the sacking…. W0 - D1 - L3 Just one point out of a possible 12. Serves them right, ridiculous sacking 18 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted February 19, 2022 Report Share Posted February 19, 2022 Loving their plummet. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted February 19, 2022 Report Share Posted February 19, 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Gimme Shelton said: Serves them right, ridiculous sacking By an "owner" who, it turns out, is actually a minority shareholder. A case of Sunderland till I lie? Edited February 19, 2022 by chinapig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted February 19, 2022 Report Share Posted February 19, 2022 Loving this. Bloody ridiculous football club! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted February 19, 2022 Report Share Posted February 19, 2022 On 09/02/2022 at 17:53, Harry said: I’d heard of rumours of another party being involved and that Dreyfus was perhaps not the only major shareholder. Totally unconfirmed, so just rumour On 15/02/2022 at 15:56, !james said: Sunderland fans not happy! Seems a lot more going on in the background... 21 minutes ago, chinapig said: By an "owner" who, it turns out, is actually a minority shareholder. A case of Sunderland till I lie? Told ya. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob k Posted February 19, 2022 Report Share Posted February 19, 2022 28 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: Loving their plummet. I’ve not wanted a club to fail so badly since Rovers went out the football league 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted February 19, 2022 Report Share Posted February 19, 2022 1 minute ago, Harry said: Told ya. Yep, should have said © Harry. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted February 19, 2022 Report Share Posted February 19, 2022 3 minutes ago, Rob k said: I’ve not wanted a club to fail so badly since Rovers went out the football league If Johnson isn’t pissing his pants he’s a better man than me! 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Oil Services Posted February 19, 2022 Report Share Posted February 19, 2022 1 hour ago, And Its Smith said: Loving their plummet. "Beautiful plumage" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waconda Posted February 19, 2022 Report Share Posted February 19, 2022 2 hours ago, And Its Smith said: If Johnson isn’t pissing his pants he’s a better man than me! Didn't want Defoe perhaps, signing announced the day after LJ sacked I believe. We will never know but surely they were on target to reach the play offs at least under LJ and JM ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Dante Posted February 20, 2022 Report Share Posted February 20, 2022 I wonder what Newcastle fan and friend of LJ Brian Tinnion thinks. Oh. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted February 20, 2022 Report Share Posted February 20, 2022 They are like a soap Opera. Have they commissioned a third series of "Sunderland till I die" ? That might explain the collapse, it's the similar script as the first 2 series. TV Gold for fans .... of other teams Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamski Posted February 20, 2022 Report Share Posted February 20, 2022 41 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said: I wonder what Newcastle fan and friend of LJ Brian Tinnion thinks. Oh. I remember being it the same position here one Christmas...we kept Johnson, same result....indeed, look what he left us, admittedly we also had Ashton helping him! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DingleRed Posted February 20, 2022 Report Share Posted February 20, 2022 Sunderland boss Alex Neil explains the stark choice he faces when selecting his starting XI James Hunter 3 hrs ago LikeComments Alex Neil admits he is between a rock and a hard place having to decide whether to field players who are jaded and need a break, or others who are not yet up to match fitness. The new Sunderland head coach has walked into a storm on Wearside, taking over a side that had won just one of its last seven games and that had slipped way off the automatic promotion pace. And after drawing his first game in charge at AFC Wimbledon and now losing 2-1 against MK Dons in his first home game at the helm, the crisis shows no sign of easing. Go here for all the latest Sunderland AFC news Sunderland have now lost four of their last five games and are seventh in the table - outside the play-off places on goal difference. Neil spoke about the problems with the squad he has inherited after the game at Wimbledon and expanded on the theme following yesterday's defeat against MK Dons. He has young players such as Dan Neil, Dennis Cirkin, Callum Doyle, and Ross Stewart who have been mainstays of the side but are clearly in need of a break, while January additions such as Patrick Roberts, Jack Clarke, Trai Hume, and Jermain Defoe are short of minutes and therefore match practice. "I highlighted it last week and the last thing I want to do is start trying to find excuses and reasons," said Neil. "The difficulty we have got is the fitness levels of some of the players. "A lot of the lads haven't played enough gametime, and the problem I have in the limited amount of games we have left is to decide how much I expose them to minutes, because if they are not ready then they can't show their best and that affects the game in a negative way for us. "We're running out of games, so that side of things is really difficult. "But of course, you want to get as many of them out on the pitch [as you can] because they can make the difference. "There are variables that make that much more challenging. "If it was as straightforward as having everyone on the same level, everyone really fit, they're all ready to go, it's an easy decision, isn't it? I'd just pick who was firing on the day. "Unfortunately, at the moment, we are not at that stage. "There's a group of younger players who are in the team who have been playing all season and they need taking out - 100 percent. "The problem is, what do you choose? "Play people who are under in terms of minutes and who are not quite ready, or those over their minutes and who has been flogged to death and needs taking out? "What do you choose?" There were boos at the full-time whistle as Sunderland's dismal run extended to one win in nine since the turn of the year, and Neil was left trying to pick out what positives he could from another poor performance and worse result. He said: "As a coach, what you have to do is try to take the result and the performance and try to separate them. "We need to improve the performance, and what naturally then happens is that the results improve. "Like the bulk of fans at every club, if you lose then you're cr*p, and if you win then you're alright. "That's quite straightforward and I understand that. "That's why in press conferences I'm running the risk of [saying] 'I thought we did well in the second half', and people saying 'he talks a lot of cr*p'. "That's fine. "What I have to do is try to balance the game and from a structural point of view large parts of the second half were good, but of course we got got done on the transition on the counter." Basically, they're knackered! Exactly why LJ's teams consistently hit the wall at the same point in the season. Didn't we know it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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