GTFABM Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 I can put up with most things about modern football but i cannot stand VAR. Not just because a decision went against us just watching any game i think it ruins it. Mark Ashton being a belter, Dean Holdens uninspiring football won’t stop me going to games! But the second they bring VAR to the championship thats me done I posted this on the matchday thread. Get it in the bin I ******* hate it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_BCFC Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 Its a joke. I wouldn't be calling for a penalty if circumstances were the other way because no one noticed it in real time - ball was hit so hard. Basically no intention to handle it and yet they have to go away and review it etc. It is a massive waste of time and money yet will stay for no good reason other than they won't admit its no use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTFABM Posted February 10, 2021 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 Just now, Alex_BCFC said: Its a joke. I wouldn't be calling for a penalty if circumstances were the other way because no one noticed it in real time - ball was hit so hard. Basically no intention to handle it and yet they have to go away and review it etc. It is a massive waste of time and money yet will stay for no good reason other than they won't admit its no use. The only way i can think it might be less of a joke than it is. Is video refs get maximum 3 replays, if they can’t decide after that then it’s not clear and obvious so move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_BCFC Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 Just now, GTFABM said: The only way i can think it might be less of a joke than it is. Is video refs get maximum 3 replays, if they can’t decide after that then it’s not clear and obvious so move on. If we have to have it -which I wouldn't - they should give teams one review each. And the ref can have one also if he thinks something has gone seriously wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTFABM Posted February 10, 2021 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 Just now, Alex_BCFC said: If we have to have it -which I wouldn't - they should give teams one review each. And the ref can have one also if he thinks something has gone seriously wrong. Thats something i havn’t thought of but like the idea. Same as you though just get rid of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_BCFC Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 The other thing is the rules are shocking. Handball - just put it back to deliberate. At the moment you can be sent off for a ball blasted at 60mph from 4 yards away whilst running to defend your goal. An absolute nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WOODSY1111 Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 It has to go, with technology every sport they are making the correct decision ie Tennis, Cricket, Rugby but in football they are still making wrong decisions. Goal line technology works but VAR does not have a high enough success rate. The problem now is that fans of every club are getting frustrated with it and it has taken the attention away from game for the wrong reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveybadger Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 15 minutes ago, Alex_BCFC said: If we have to have it -which I wouldn't - they should give teams one review each. And the ref can have one also if he thinks something has gone seriously wrong. 13 minutes ago, GTFABM said: Thats something i havn’t thought of but like the idea. Same as you though just get rid of it. Kinda works in cricket - if teams blow reviews of wickets on speculative tactical guesses it bites them on the bum when there’s a genuine mistake and they can’t overturn the decision. Happened this week in the India test. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_BCFC Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 Just now, steveybadger said: Kinda works in cricket - if teams blow reviews of wickets on speculative tactical guesses it bites them on the bum when there’s a genuine mistake and they can’t overturn the decision. Happened this week in the India test. And it works well in cricket. But cricket lasts for 8 hours a day so 3 reviews makes sense per 70 overs or whatever it is makes sense. So that is why I'd limit it to 1 per team plus one ref review. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 Get rid of it. Now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS3City Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 If that was a league game, with an opposition player in AMs position (and no VAR obviously) I would never be shouting for a pen. So then we suffer the double punishment of a penalty and a red card? And a ban for the player too! Absolutely shocking all round... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveybadger Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 11 minutes ago, Alex_BCFC said: And it works well in cricket. But cricket lasts for 8 hours a day so 3 reviews makes sense per 70 overs or whatever it is makes sense. So that is why I'd limit it to 1 per team plus one ref review. DRS is there for the howlers. Could also, like cricket, let teams keep their ‘review’ if it’s successful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_BCFC Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 1 minute ago, steveybadger said: DRS is there for the howlers. Could also, like cricket, let teams keep their ‘review’ if it’s successful Possibly although one of the main things I hate about VAR (there is so much to hate) is that it all takes time from what is a fairly fast moving game generally. So really anything that adds more time on is probably not ideal. 5 minutes ago, BS3City said: If that was a league game, with an opposition player in AMs position (and no VAR obviously) I would never be shouting for a pen. So then we suffer the double punishment of a penalty and a red card? And a ban for the player too! Absolutely shocking all round... This is it - not one person appealed or saw it. Ie no one was bothered and VAR is looking to find stuff that no one cares about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gifford Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 VAR shouldn’t be used in the cup, just like you wouldn’t use VAR if only half the Premier League teams had it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midred Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 With cricket and tennis where there are clear lines and the players are further apart it makes sense to use it. If there was VAR used for every contact in the penalty area the match would go on for 8 hours! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan_BCFC Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 Don’t worry we won’t have to face VAR for a long time yet as we’re not being promoted to the Prem anytime soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_BCFC Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 1 minute ago, Ryan_BCFC said: Don’t worry we won’t have to face VAR for a long time yet as we’re not being promoted to the Prem anytime soon. A real positive from not going up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B1ackbird Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 29 minutes ago, steveybadger said: Kinda works in cricket - if teams blow reviews of wickets on speculative tactical guesses it bites them on the bum when there’s a genuine mistake and they can’t overturn the decision. Happened this week in the India test. It's great in cricket, ask Mike Gatting.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveybadger Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 7 minutes ago, B1ackbird said: It's great in cricket, ask Mike Gatting.. I’m not with you - Gatting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B1ackbird Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 4 minutes ago, steveybadger said: I’m not with you - Gatting? If you don't know who it is, it's a difficult sell... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsquirrel Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 maybe use it to see if a player dives for a penalty, send him off if he cheated,only the ref calls for it if he isnt sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redtucks Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 1 hour ago, Alex_BCFC said: Its a joke. I wouldn't be calling for a penalty if circumstances were the other way because no one noticed it in real time - ball was hit so hard. Basically no intention to handle it and yet they have to go away and review it etc. It is a massive waste of time and money yet will stay for no good reason other than they won't admit its no use. It's not so much var that is the problem, more the way that it's used, and the stupid rule changes that are made. Var is supposed to be for clear and obvious errors. How is it a clear and obvious error when a bloke is offside by his toe or his finger? Who decides that it's now a penalty if the ball hits the hand and there's no intent to handle it? Maybe players should be aiming to kick the ball deliberately at a defender's hands rather than at the goal. After all, a penalty and a red card must be better than just a goal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_BCFC Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 Just now, Redtucks said: It's not so much var that is the problem, more the way that it's used, and the stupid rule changes that are made. Var is supposed to be for clear and obvious errors. How is it a clear and obvious error when a bloke is offside by his toe or his finger? Who decides that it's now a penalty if the ball hits the hand and there's no intend to handle it? Maybe players should be aiming to kick the ball deliberately at a defender's hands rather than at the goal. After all, a penalty and a red card must be better than just a goal! I would still be against it if used better but we were told it was just to use for the clear and obvious. Clearly that isn't happening and like you say I couldn't care less if someone is slightly ahead of a line drawn on a screen and they have to look 20 times and zoom in etc. Apparently the handball thing - intention doesn't come in to it. This is where the rule is the issue although having VAR makes this joke rule change worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipdawg Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 I don't have a problem with the concept of VAR, but the way it's applied is terrible. I'd make the following changes: 1) the ref has to ask for it and ask the video ref to look for a specific infringement 2) the video ref has no more than 60 seconds to review the footage and the ref doesn't get a pitch side monitor. If it takes more than that to determine if someone is offside or it's a handball, then it's not an egregious error Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 You have to remember that the ref didnt even notice the handball in the first place so they overturned a wrong decision which it was brought in to do. Whether the law is a right one is another arguement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_BCFC Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 2 minutes ago, Super said: You have to remember that the ref didnt even notice the handball in the first place so they overturned a wrong decision which it was brought in to do. Whether the law is a right one is another arguement. The fact that no one appealed means they are using VAR to pick things that really no one cares about. That is one reason I'd get rid of VAR. If it is a clear and obvious error that all players and fans see that is one thing. But for something no one would be bothered about - just finding something for sake of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 3 minutes ago, Alex_BCFC said: The fact that no one appealed means they are using VAR to pick things that really no one cares about. That is one reason I'd get rid of VAR. If it is a clear and obvious error that all players and fans see that is one thing. But for something no one would be bothered about - just finding something for sake of it. Pretty sure the Sheff U guy right by it appealed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_BCFC Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 Just now, Super said: Pretty sure the Sheff U guy right by it appealed? I don't remember anything but its possible. Would have to watch back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 Can we refer the decision to appoint Dean Holden to VAR? I think we can all see its a clear and obvious error. It could get overturned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudolf Hucker Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 To me, the annoyance is that, had the game have been played at AG (no VAR) no penalty would have been given, Mawson wouldn’t have been sent off thus no ensuing suspension. Because the Prem team were drawn at home, VAR is used, pen awarded, man sent off and suspended. Seems to me unfair to play to different rules on different grounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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