1team Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 Well Sheff Utd were really poor, refereeing was really poor, but if you can't see that that was down to poor coaching I guess you never will. Set pieces inept, formation all over the place, effort pretty good I thought. Players capable management not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1team Posted February 10, 2021 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 Well corners, free kicks, goal kicks, throw ins, all bread and butter training ground stuff. Terrible at all of it, game after game. Depressing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomThumb84 Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 When you can go 1-11, and perplexingly say that 7-8 players had decent games, you then have to look elsewhere at phases of play, systems with and without the ball, set-piece routines, positioning around key areas. All comes back to the coaching and tactics unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1team Posted February 10, 2021 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 I think in comparison to other championships squads we are OK. It seems all flair and ambition has been coached out of them. Ongoing for several years. The last City team who over achieved was GJs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrongagain Posted February 11, 2021 Report Share Posted February 11, 2021 Obvious selection problem, at our most threatening without a “recognised” striker! Wells no threat, can’t hold up the ball, gives away needless fouls and too selfish to be a team player, Fam - personality does not make him a top striker, woeful ball control and wasteful in possession. Holden takes them both off and puts Semenyo up front - too late to change the game but a hell of a lot more entertaining. Get a priest in the dressing room, cleanse the spirit of LJ past! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted February 11, 2021 Report Share Posted February 11, 2021 Interesting that DH said last night (paraphrased) - “I’ve been guilty of changing too much and I kinda went back to Dean Holden’s system of early season”. OP - I don’t think formation was all over the shop last night, unless you mean the constant changes over a series of games. Thought it’s the most solid we’ve been in weeks. The formation changes through subs after the red card made sense and we actually managed to build a bit of possession of sorts, albeit not easy with 10 men. Last night the problem was up top. Yes, Wells should’ve passed, but he was far brighter than Diedhiou, who pretty much ambled around all night. One of them is planning on being here next season, the other isn’t. I’d stick Diedhiou on the bench, he has added very little in the last 4 1/2 games since his 20-minute brace against Huddersfield. It is fairly standard than Diedhiou plays in spurts, in the last 18 months it appears to coincide with when his place feels threatened. Was the January spurt his shop window. For me, if he does sign a contract it will be a huge mistake. It is about money, and I don’t blame him for that, his prerogative. We don’t need to be spending £25-30k per week on a player who doesn’t want to be here. Ignore the Knowle and UptheRobins tweets. He’s made his position clear, and the fact that we might still be chasing his signature is poor from MA. So we are left with Wells and Semenyo. Our coaches need to find a way of playing them together, I think that’s possible, or on their own. That should be their priority, not persisting with Diedhiou. That’s just putting off the inevitable. Start coaching what is gonna be here and committed for the rest of the season, and maybe beyond. Its quite possible Pato could be the false-forward again, like with Reid, and spark either of Wells and Semenyo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidoldfart Posted February 11, 2021 Report Share Posted February 11, 2021 At last a good reasoned summary on OTIB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nomad Posted February 11, 2021 Report Share Posted February 11, 2021 Can't blame the coaching for Hunt's abysmal free kick deliveries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted February 11, 2021 Report Share Posted February 11, 2021 4 minutes ago, Nomad said: Can't blame the coaching for Hunt's abysmal free kick deliveries. Yep, the one against Brentford for Zac's goal was a real dog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nomad Posted February 11, 2021 Report Share Posted February 11, 2021 1 minute ago, Roger Red Hat said: Yep, the one against Brentford for Zac's goal was a real dog. Did that help us last night? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted February 11, 2021 Report Share Posted February 11, 2021 1 minute ago, Nomad said: Did that help us last night? Oh I see, you meant he hadn't had the right coaching since the Brentford game. Please accept my apologies for thinking you meant coaching for all games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted February 11, 2021 Report Share Posted February 11, 2021 15 hours ago, JonDolman said: It must be bloody hard to coach a team to pass the ball when it has Fam and Wells up top. Semenyo up there on his own did more in one move than those 2 combined! It's as much a selection mistake as it is coaching imo. I think we are missing Weimann a lot - and those who tried to make him the latest scapegoat for our lack of progress and results before his injury probably only realise now that he has fabulous footballing ability. And when you add his experience, movement, speed of thought and work rate on top of that, you have a very good football player. You dunno what you’ve got ‘til it’s gone ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westonred Posted February 11, 2021 Report Share Posted February 11, 2021 Talking of Coaches what exactly do Cisse and Gilmarten do and why do we need them ? When Cisse was brought in we were told it would encourage young foreign players to the club well that hasn't happened.. These two just seem to be stealing a living at BS3 and wages we could be used on players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted February 11, 2021 Report Share Posted February 11, 2021 2 hours ago, BS4 on Tour... said: I think we are missing Weimann a lot - and those who tried to make him the latest scapegoat for our lack of progress and results before his injury probably only realise now that he has fabulous footballing ability. And when you add his experience, movement, speed of thought and work rate on top of that, you have a very good football player. You dunno what you’ve got ‘til it’s gone ... Yep, agree with all that. Add in versatility too, he made some strong self-sacrifice when put on the wing in 2018/19. Contributed to the side...as a right sided forward ie in a 3 or a right sided midfielder more narrow fair enough but he's never a winger. Yet he contributed despite this. All hindsight now but wonder whether Weimann through the middle in 2018/19, with an extra CM in for Diedhiou- Smith was injured so Morrell or Walsh it'd have been- would have given us a extra dimension. For some games anyway, as it was Pack- Weimann, Brownhill, Paterson, O'Dowda-Diedhiou. Drop Walsh or especially Morrell in, it frees up Pack and Brownhill that little bit more, O'Dowda and Paterson still wide midfielders and Weimann through the middle...lot of interchanging and fluidity possible there IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephenkibby. Posted February 11, 2021 Report Share Posted February 11, 2021 3 hours ago, Nomad said: Can't blame the coaching for Hunt's abysmal free kick deliveries. Tells you a lot when he's the choice, if he was the best option it's pretty sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kodjias Wrist Posted February 11, 2021 Report Share Posted February 11, 2021 3 hours ago, westonred said: Talking of Coaches what exactly do Cisse and Gilmarten do and why do we need them ? When Cisse was brought in we were told it would encourage young foreign players to the club well that hasn't happened.. These two just seem to be stealing a living at BS3 and wages we could be used on players Well they both coach but you are right since massengo no one has came here. Seems a bit daft but maybe the prices are inflated in France atm and its hard to bring these players in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westonred Posted February 11, 2021 Report Share Posted February 11, 2021 36 minutes ago, Kodjias Wrist said: Well they both coach but you are right since massengo no one has came here. Seems a bit daft but maybe the prices are inflated in France atm and its hard to bring these players in. Pat Mountain is the goalkeeping coach so why do we need two ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted February 11, 2021 Report Share Posted February 11, 2021 4 hours ago, JonDolman said: Don't think many had made him a scapegoat before his injury. He was in his best form so far in his city career in midfield. There were many, many digs at him on here prior to his injury - a thread dedicated to it I believe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted February 11, 2021 Report Share Posted February 11, 2021 4 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Yep, agree with all that. Add in versatility too, he made some strong self-sacrifice when put on the wing in 2018/19. Contributed to the side...as a right sided forward ie in a 3 or a right sided midfielder more narrow fair enough but he's never a winger. Yet he contributed despite this. All hindsight now but wonder whether Weimann through the middle in 2018/19, with an extra CM in for Diedhiou- Smith was injured so Morrell or Walsh it'd have been- would have given us a extra dimension. For some games anyway, as it was Pack- Weimann, Brownhill, Paterson, O'Dowda-Diedhiou. Drop Walsh or especially Morrell in, it frees up Pack and Brownhill that little bit more, O'Dowda and Paterson still wide midfielders and Weimann through the middle...lot of interchanging and fluidity possible there IMO. Good post - I think you’re spot on about Walsh - his range of passing is so exciting - will we ever see the best of him?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dolman Pragmatist Posted February 11, 2021 Report Share Posted February 11, 2021 7 hours ago, Nomad said: Can't blame the coaching for Hunt's abysmal free kick deliveries. Oh, I’m sure someone will! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrick's Marvels Posted February 11, 2021 Report Share Posted February 11, 2021 Presumably they don't have Covid, no income stream, or injuries in South Yorkshire because Barnsley have played absolutely brilliantly against their Premiership opponent tonight. And with an infinitely inferior team to ours. Or could it be they've got an infinitely superior Coach?? Could the mighty Barnsley have persuaded someone who actually knows what he's doing to coach them?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityexile Posted February 11, 2021 Report Share Posted February 11, 2021 31 minutes ago, Merrick's Marvels said: Presumably they don't have Covid, no income stream, or injuries in South Yorkshire because Barnsley have played absolutely brilliantly against their Premiership opponent tonight. And with an infinitely inferior team to ours. Or could it be they've got an infinitely superior Coach?? Could the mighty Barnsley have persuaded someone who actually knows what he's doing to coach them?? Actually, just come here to say this. Ok they are.losing, but some invention on set pieces, created chances and just look like they know what they are doing all over the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrick's Marvels Posted February 11, 2021 Report Share Posted February 11, 2021 3 minutes ago, cityexile said: Actually, just come here to say this. Ok they are.losing, but some invention on set pieces, created chances and just look like they know what they are doing all over the pitch. Energy, enthusiasm, organisation, coherent tactics. Amazing what you can still achieve in these crazy times, isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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