Silvio Dante Posted February 15, 2021 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 Deano looking in the mirror: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 No doubt if he'd said nothing and refused to do the press conference, that would have been wrong too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrongagain Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 1 minute ago, Bazooka Joe said: and they don't make a secret of it. Forkin fans... who needs them? Nothing but a nuisance. If Covid don’t disappear soon we will all be virtual anyway! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clint Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 Just now, Northern Red said: Yes, but you know full well that that was never going to happen. I know it’s not going to happen but something has to. That result Saturday has been coming for weeks and I can’t see it getting any better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 17 minutes ago, westonred said: About Reading We've got to make sure we limit their attacking threat as much as we can and carry a threat going forward. That's the plan. Wow we've got a plan So the plan is to stop the opposition attacking as that might result in the scoring, and we need to be a threat when going forward ourselves? Bloody master stroke that, if no other team comes up with that then it might be our season! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Exile Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 3 minutes ago, Northern Red said: What did you want him to say, realistically? He's in a difficult position...he should never have been given the job. Should have been told 'thanks for your efforts' on Sunday, along with Ashton. The Chairman should be talking through the process for appointing qualified replacements. However, given that Holden is still in post I'd be advising him to stop playing the personal life card. It's completely irrelevant to his capability to manage a Championship football club. Comes across as appealing for sympathy...which makes him look even more pitiful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 Hmm, some interesting bits in there. Mostly pulled out already but it does come across as him feeling a bit sorry for himself. I know a write up doesn’t usually show full context. A little bit worrying based on the that report. He seems to focus on his own self preservation techniques (family, ‘developed strategies’ for HIM to get through it.) Indicates the pressure is getting to him. I can’t imagine Cotterill, Warnock or even Lee Johnson focusing on those sort of things so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 20 minutes ago, Slack Bladder said: I'm with you Steve Lansdown, quite happy in the Championship thank you very much. If results don’t improve that’s at least two people who are going to be very disappointed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolman Block B Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 5 minutes ago, weymouth red said: I bloody hope not Sane here. That could be a disaster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 1 minute ago, Red Exile said: He's in a difficult position...he should never have been given the job. Should have been told 'thanks for your efforts' on Sunday, along with Ashton. The Chairman should be talking through the process for appointing qualified replacements. However, given that Holden is still in post I'd be advising him to stop playing the personal life card. It's completely irrelevant to his capability to manage a Championship football club. Comes across as appealing for sympathy...which makes him look even more pitiful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazooka Joe Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 34 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said: **** it, he’s still here. And looking in the mirror and having honest words. Holden - you're so vain. You probably think this thread is about you. Don't you? Don't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Red Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 5 minutes ago, Spoons said: I'm definitely in the holden out camp but some of the personal comments about DH etc aren't pleasent. Was always going to happen unfortunately. In actual fact Dean is quite a lucky man that fans haven’t been allowed in as the vitriol he would be receiving would not be pleasant. I don’t condone personal abuse towards Dean but the fans deserve better, we all put a lot of time effort and money into the football club so in many ways you cannot blame people for their feelings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 11 minutes ago, Spoons said: I'm definitely in the holden out camp but some of the personal comments about DH etc aren't pleasent. I don’t think it’s been too bad towards Holden. People understand he wasn’t going to turn down the opportunity and is clearly trying. Lee Johnson got it far far worse on here, and still does! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
collier Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 34 minutes ago, petehinton said: He talks to the players as a group & one on one, as well as after a game and through the week. Isn’t that a Craig David song? Took um for a run on Monday talk some tactics on tuesday, on wednesday and on Thursday , friday, got hammered on Saturday!! Repeat again on Sunday!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Exile Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 4 minutes ago, Major Isewater said: haha...except doesn't Puss-in-Boots turn out to have an effective cutting edge! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 oooooooooooooo DH on why no players up for press today That's a question for Dave [Barton]. I didn't know that. Dave Barton interjects... Ask me afterwards and I'll explain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 3 minutes ago, Red Exile said: He's in a difficult position...he should never have been given the job. Should have been told 'thanks for your efforts' on Sunday, along with Ashton. The Chairman should be talking through the process for appointing qualified replacements. However, given that Holden is still in post I'd be advising him to stop playing the personal life card. It's completely irrelevant to his capability to manage a Championship football club. Comes across as appealing for sympathy...which makes him look even more pitiful. It's not really galvanising the team, fighting talk is it? It doesn't inspire confidence. When he mentioned his daughter last week it got me concerned. He really shouldn't have been put in this position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 "We're in a bad run of defeats at the moment and we need to come out of it. You certainly won't come out of it by moping around and moaning to your mate that you're not in the team and moaning about this and that." Wonder who's been moping and moaning. If anyone, could just be a general point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clint Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 I can’t wait to pay my £10 tomorrow night to watch some decent attacking football. You never know city may turn up as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olé Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 It's painful to read as I'm not sure what else he can say in the circumstances and I do feel a bit sorry for him, but it really is meaningless emotional stuff. It might be easier to identify with if there was any evidence his sort of rallying call was having any effect on the players, but they've clearly been ignoring it for weeks so it all rings a bit hollow. One thing struck me as a bit overplayed - not to have a go, but he says "Nothing has ever come easy for me in my life and I've worked so hard to become head coach of this football club." It's well documented he's a journeyman with a tragedy in his family back story, but as it relates to becoming head coach, how hard did he have to work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 1 minute ago, Lrrr said: oooooooooooooo DH on why no players up for press today That's a question for Dave [Barton]. I didn't know that. Dave Barton interjects... Ask me afterwards and I'll explain. How many big miscommunications is that now? Absolutely bizarre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoons Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: I don’t think it’s been too bad towards Holden. People understand he wasn’t going to turn down the opportunity and is clearly trying. Lee Johnson got it far far worse on here, and still does! **** off Dean. I could list more. One comment like this is to many. To compare personal abuse LJ suffered isn't a defence either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomThumb84 Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 7 minutes ago, Northern Red said: What did you want him to say, realistically? Non-cliched truth. It’s blatantly obvious that we have not reacted to adversity. I have never before heard a Head Coach of any side declare that conceding a goal at any stage of the game “is a positive” whatever context you put it in. Something other than “hard work is the answer”. Talking about “Taking Towler off to protect him” when be put him out there against Sarr in the first place. Honestly there is so many more. It is a bit of a jumbled mess of cliche and nonsensical statements. What I would like him to say, is “this run of results and the way we are playing is not good enough and has not been for a sustained period of time, and I was appointed on the basis that I could achieve a Top 6 finish. I am responsible for the ongoing failure to do this, and for the good of the football club, I have to start analysing if I took this job too soon in my managerial career. I would like to remain at the club in a coaching/advisory position and maybe one day this opportunity may come around again, but for my credibility and that of the football club I am offering my resignation.” Possibly something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 1 minute ago, ExiledAjax said: "We're in a bad run of defeats at the moment and we need to come out of it. You certainly won't come out of it by moping around and moaning to your mate that you're not in the team and moaning about this and that." Wonder who's been moping and moaning. If anyone, could just be a general point. Holden doesn’t tend to talk in metaphors. He is clearly talking about something that’s happened. Not sure why he’d find that surprising though, he’s been in plenty of dressing rooms over the years to know it’s normal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 19 minutes ago, dave36 said: The club don’t give a flying ***k for the football fans! Corporate entity does absolutely nothing for us! Huge squad of well paid players, most of which are underperforming, organised by the failed favourites puppet! If city were to fold tomorrow bristol sport would be left with a top class Rugby stadium to go with the soon to be built arena, hotel and car park! The team has lost its identity along with the demise of the club/fan relationship! That's just a hazard of modern football isn't it. Reading finished bottom third with a wage bill of £40m in 2018/19, Birmingham almost went down with a wage bill of £37m, how much was Sunderland's in 2017/18- Stoke badly underperformed for salary in Championship times etc. What can be done about it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 13 minutes ago, 2015 said: Wow more guff than from Holden. Loves to state the obvious doesn't he? Can see a 3 goal defeat tomorrow. There's no place for such optimism on this forum! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrongagain Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 Holden “come on lads we need to put shift in and win this” Squad “No chance - when you are gone we can get on with playing football!” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petehinton Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 I really want him to succeed, but I haven’t heard one tactical or analytical reason for any loss this season so far. Just really excited for the next game, don’t want to dwell on the last etc. If anything LJ went on about that stuff too much. But now we don’t hear any reason as to why we’ve lost games it feels like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superjack Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 4 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: I don’t think it’s been too bad towards Holden. People understand he wasn’t going to turn down the opportunity and is clearly trying. Lee Johnson got it far far worse on here, and still does! Well if he keeps giving press conferences like that, sympathy is going to fast run out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 17 minutes ago, Clint said: I quit would be a start Don't see how you leaving is going to help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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