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Who is available? genuine options. Who's your realistic next HC


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1 minute ago, Bobbie said:

Don’t see why we are such a bad proposition to potential managers. We have a newly developed stadium, brand new training facilities, an owner that will give you time and back you know the transfer market.

The role of Mark Ashton is blown out of all proportion by many I feel. I think if a new manager demanded their own scouting system/control of transfers they would be given it, within budget constraints. 
 

Or am I being very naive? 

100% agree with all of this

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Would Cook work with Ashton under the current "system"? 

Ryan Lowe would be alright, just signed a 3 year deal though. 

If we're looking at a foreign coach I wonder if we'll regret not considering Valerien Ismael in the summer.

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2 minutes ago, Alessandro said:

I know this has been a theory of a few people. I’m not so sure, but it may well be right.
 

Firstly it suggests they have some clever masterplan and I don’t think they’re capable of that.

Secondly if that was the case do you not think they’d have tried to hung onto Holden for a little bit longer? Try and nick a win against Barnsley then see it out till the summer.

The upheaval of his sacking is massive. Not just a new manager, but potentially new coaches and other back room staff, depending on who comes in.

I’m fascinated to see what they do next.

If anything it would show there was no master plan other than to try and limit the financial losses and hope for the best, which is totally understandable if you’re the one looking at losing millions although it now looks a false economy. And in fairness had the owner just come out and said that rather than stating we needed to be in the premier league as soon as possible Holden may not have been under as much pressure from the fan base.

As for your second point relegation would be a even bigger financial disaster as well as undoing a lot of the good work that’s taken place in the last 7 years and there’s still time for someone coming in to do avoid that scenario. Which is why it does feel very similar to when Cotts was appointed as he was exactly what the club needed at that time although it went against the long term vision of how the club wanted to operate

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The positive is, when we get a new Manager in is that we have a whole host of players OOC this Summer. He can assess the players he doesn't need and who he can try to get rid of. 
We have a massive Summer ahead, kind of like make or break really, providing we don't go down.

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1 minute ago, walnutroof said:

If anything it would show there was no master plan other than to try and limit the financial losses and hope for the best, which is totally understandable if you’re the one looking at losing millions although it now looks a false economy. And in fairness had the owner just come out and said that rather than stating we needed to be in the premier league as soon as possible Holden may not have been under as much pressure from the fan base.

As for your second point relegation would be a even bigger financial disaster as well as undoing a lot of the good work that’s taken place in the last 7 years and there’s still time for someone coming in to do avoid that scenario. Which is why it does feel very similar to when Cotts was appointed as he was exactly what the club needed at that time although it went against the long term vision of how the club wanted to operate

Yep agree, it's a mess. That's why I hope, as per my earlier post and what you're saying here, what happens is we see that needed change behind the scenes, not just in the dug out.

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9 minutes ago, 2015 said:

The positive is, when we get a new Manager in is that we have a whole host of players OOC this Summer. He can assess the players he doesn't need and who he can try to get rid of. 
We have a massive Summer ahead, kind of like make or break really, providing we don't go down.

Exactly, it really is a blank slate

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35 minutes ago, Roadrunner said:

Going back before Dean was appointed i put forward Gus Poyet name, I see on Sky he is their in the odds at 25/1. Next to him Harry Redknapp a big name as someone said Steve likes to be associated with a big name. Who knows, but he better be on the ball this week and not leave it to Ashton.

If I remember rightly, I put the idea down but, after some research, and due apologies, I think Poyet's a good shout RR.

What we do need is a manager / HC the players respect. I can imagine the players saying 'who are you' to Dean, which isn't his fault.

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24 minutes ago, Dolman_Stand said:

100% agree with all of this

If the manager got those tasks what would Ashton do?

4 minutes ago, Ska Junkie said:

If I remember rightly, I put the idea down but, after some research, and due apologies, I think that's a good shout RR.

What we do need is a manager / HC the players respect. I can imagine the players saying 'who are you' to Dean, which isn't his fault.

Harry would be a great replacement for Ashton not Holden

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20 minutes ago, JonDolman said:

Yep. Of course did well at Lincoln, and at Huddersfield had the season started when he took over, he would have had them finishing 9th. Pretty decent that is.

The problem if Lansdown does go for a big name, like lets say Howe, then the wages will be higher, but much more importantly the bigger the name, the more I imagine they will want to spend in the transfer market.

I don't know about the finances. Maybe Lansdown thinks we can have a bit of a go and still be within the FFP limit.

I can't imagine Howe or Gerrard, or even Lampard coming here and not wanting to bring in quite a lot of new players.

Of course with many possibly leaving too for free. I do think we need to bring in quite a few new players anyway.

Well FFP rules have been amended for covid so that potentially allows for wiggle room, especially on player write downs. But I don't necessarily think SL wants to 'go for it' like that. His entire thing has always been somehow getting the club to be able to carry on growing without his hoovering up the loses every year. 

I think there was enough in the Gerrard rumours last summer to make me think the 'they don't want a big personality' stuff is overplayed. They clearly wanted both a big name and a big personality with him (and it seems a really good manager as it turns out). 

And we have no idea how brutal covid has been on club finances but it sounds really bad. Even SL is feeling a 25-30m loss. 

So a lot of factors point against a big name. (Not least actually trying to get one here). I just have a feeling, listening to him, that the rugby comparison is entering into his thinking more than ever so that might shape his thinking. But as he said in the interview, Bristol Rugby is attractive to the Pat Lams. Not so sure the Max Allegris or Lucien Favres of this world would have the same draw towards Bristol City. But its not totally unthinkable someone like Eddie Howe might consider it a project that would look good on his CV if successful. Biggest urban population in Europe without top flight football team nearby....

All unlikely, I appreciate. Which is why I'd be happy enough with the Cowleys. 

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30 minutes ago, Bobbie said:

Don’t see why we are such a bad proposition to potential managers. We have a newly developed stadium, brand new training facilities, an owner that will give you time and back you know the transfer market.

The role of Mark Ashton is blown out of all proportion by many I feel. I think if a new manager demanded their own scouting system/control of transfers they would be given it, within budget constraints. 
 

Or am I being very naive? 

By the sounds of it at least two managers were interested but wanted greater control and were rejected. That's just speculation on here, but wouldn't surprise me

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7 minutes ago, Clutton Caveman said:

If the manager got those tasks what would Ashton do?

Harry would be a great replacement for Ashton not Holden

sorry, I meant Poyet. Edited for clarity. My apologies CC.

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25 minutes ago, Sir Geoff said:

Alex Neil was on the radar last summer. (Wouldn’t be my choice) but wouldn’t be a huge surprise.

Wouldn’t be at all surprised. Got a sneaky feeling this could happen. Wouldn’t be my choice either. 

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42 minutes ago, Bobbie said:

Don’t see why we are such a bad proposition to potential managers. We have a newly developed stadium, brand new training facilities, an owner that will give you time and back you know the transfer market.

The role of Mark Ashton is blown out of all proportion by many I feel. I think if a new manager demanded their own scouting system/control of transfers they would be given it, within budget constraints. 
 

Or am I being very naive? 

Yeah - I agree with this. Sold right, we are actually quite interesting (although I'm biased).

Everyone knows we have a rich owner. I think general perception is managers are given time by the owner and we are generally a well run club. Bristol good place to live. And the potential is huge given size of population without a top flight team nearby. And squad looks ok on paper. And even if MA is as bad as people make out (I don't think he is), thats just normal life to have to work with people you find a bit annoying or odd. Its not like every other football club won't have those personalities on board. So we aren't anywhere near the basket case some make out. 

But we have to be realistic about current position and any potential manager watching videos of our last 6 games might have a little pause and think.

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Steve L could do with someone like Roy Hodgson on the board as an advisor. Complete a full start and end of career closure for Roy. He will not be short of offers when he leaves Palace, but he may want a slower pace of life now. That type of person would be of great help to Steve and the club in general. 

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I think the question is really what part of the club structure is Lansdown prepared to relax. Johnson and Holden were clearly "Head Coaches" - they manage the team in front of them. A manager is assumed to have more control and clearly this is what the club have tried to move away from.  Sure, the Head coach may have input in players but others have the final say.  Regardless of what we think of Ashton the real decision makers are, IMO,  the Lansdowns. If they are serious of creating a club that can challenge for the playoffs and stay within the top 7, then you have to go for managers who have done it - Pearson, Jokanovic, Howe, Neil, Cook. I think 4 of those are currently out of work. The list is short and the board should get on with it and appoint. For me, its Pearson or Cook.    

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59 minutes ago, tin said:

Ticks the name box and is a friend of Ashton. I could see this happening, but his career is heading south. He's done nothing since leaving Man City 12 years' ago. 

Is he a friend of Ashton, or is that something rambled out by the Alien thing on Twitter the other week? 

He is one of those managers who is always linked with a vacancy at the top level, and the bigger ones in this league. The Premiership jobs usually seem to be at the lower levels, and usually end up with performances and results dwindling out, but then is that not the same everywhere with the vast majority of managers?

Perhaps a job at somewhere like here, would provide him with the platform to reestablish his managerial career. I think he'd do a decent job, but it would cost us a hell of a lot. Also not sure we'd be one of his "preferred" choices.

56 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said:

Well thought out post.

I think it’s very likely we will waste time looking into a Lampard or Howe only to be ultimately turned down. I expect that to happen actually.

The mood of the fans is against them and they know this. As it’s renewal time they’ll take heed of that so I’m confident they won’t appoint from within or go for someone like Appleton.

I think a ‘name’ like Hughes is a reasonable suggestion as to who they might go for.

Mark Hughes was a bit of a "random" name I thought of, but actually the more I think about it, the more I like the suggestion.

As I said above, financially it would be a huge commitment, maybe even a large gamble, but it would shout intent, not only amongst supporters (especially with the season cards going on sale soon), but amongst the football community and media.

I still don't think he would come here, as I don't think we're a big enough draw for him, and the bigger fact of the financial costs it would result in.

He does tick a few boxes though, name, experience, and is someone that the players would be in awe of, and command a hell of a lot more respect than Lee Johnson or Dean Holden.

In summary, I think that Mark Hughes is a realistic unrealistic option :laugh:

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All coaches take the same badges. So it’s something more than that to motivate a team on and off the pitch including back room staff.

Regretfully all we know of managers is what we see on TV. What we suspect is that those recruiting know little more. If you were a Mgr. would you put up with selling your best players and expecting inexperienced ones to get you promoted out of one of the most difficult leagues in the World?

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8 minutes ago, the1stknowle said:

Well FFP rules have been amended for covid so that potentially allows for wiggle room, especially on player write downs. But I don't necessarily think SL wants to 'go for it' like that. His entire thing has always been somehow getting the club to be able to carry on growing without his hoovering up the loses every year. 

I think there was enough in the Gerrard rumours last summer to make me think the 'they don't want a big personality' stuff is overplayed. They clearly wanted both a big name and a big personality with him (and it seems a really good manager as it turns out). 

And we have no idea how brutal covid has been on club finances but it sounds really bad. Even SL is feeling a 25-30m loss. 

So a lot of factors point against a big name. (Not least actually trying to get one here). I just have a feeling, listening to him, that the rugby comparison is entering into his thinking more than ever so that might shape his thinking. But as he said in the interview, Bristol Rugby is attractive to the Pat Lams. Not so sure the Max Allegris or Lucien Favres of this world would have the same draw towards Bristol City. But its not totally unthinkable someone like Eddie Howe might consider it a project that would look good on his CV if successful. Biggest urban population in Europe without top flight football team nearby....

All unlikely, I appreciate. Which is why I'd be happy enough with the Cowleys. 

Good points.

I think Cowley would be one of the best realistic options.

I don't really care about whoever it is being a name. 

I was not keen on Gerrard as I thought being a name is not important, and going purely on the job he was doing last season he'd only done a decent job at the time at Rangers. But like you say it seems like he is showing impressive managerial skills this season. Not that I follow Scottish football very closely.

 

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1 hour ago, JonDolman said:

Danny Cowley being a 4231 guy. He liked Walker to play on the shoulder at Lincoln.

Might be the man who will get the best out of Wells if that's how he likes to play

 

Are we at the stage of appointing a Head Coach on a theory that he may get better out of one of our most underperforming and moody misfits

Jeeeez

Thats Jon Lansdown level of decisions

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53 minutes ago, Bobbie said:

Don’t see why we are such a bad proposition to potential managers. We have a newly developed stadium, brand new training facilities, an owner that will give you time and back you know the transfer market.

The role of Mark Ashton is blown out of all proportion by many I feel. I think if a new manager demanded their own scouting system/control of transfers they would be given it, within budget constraints. 
 

Or am I being very naive? 

Spot on. I think many will want this job.

Holden I thought was backed in the transfer market pretty well under the circumstances. LJ was backed before him.

Like you say brand new training ground. And when everyone is fit it really is not a bad squad at all. 

Fantastic youth coming through too.

I am sure managers will see that they will get plenty of time, and its nothing like Bournemouth or other teams that even when in top 6 will be sacked.

It's very unlikely a new head coach will be sacked as quickly as Holden. I am sure many would see that there was no other option there and it is more than likely Lansdown will give them a good time to build. 

 

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2 minutes ago, Sheltons Army said:

Are we at the stage of appointing a Head Coach on a theory that he may get better out of one of our most underperforming and moody misfits

Jeeeez

Thats Jon Lansdown level of decisions

Wells has been very poor, and he does seem to moan a lot. But he has not played one game in his favoured role for us so far.

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2 minutes ago, Tomo said:

The Guardian reported that Howe was on a £3 million salary. 

There is no way that Lansdown will pay anywhere near that, so maybe we should dismiss Eddie now.... 

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Depending on what you believe, Johnson was on 20/25k and Ashton is on 10k per week. 

It’s not unrealistic for us to offer Howe a decent wage plus bonuses for promotion that equates or exceeds 3m.

 

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