Fuber Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 3 hours ago, havanatopia said: For those two fellas you could read Pearson and Rainieri; the former did the solid groundwork while the latter finished the job. Rainieri was ultimately a one season wonder, however. Its worth noting the latter signed Kante. That must go down as one of the best signings of the PL era. Dyche has consistently finished near or above Bournemouth since the latter went PL, and more impressive as he got them up there twice. Meaning he was able to alter he original groundwork more to his own squad and still succeeded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KegCity Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 11 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: Based on what? Bilic perhaps, but Howe seems exactly the sort of profile the board would want to me. Oh I’d want him, just whether he’d want us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 1 minute ago, KegCity said: Oh I’d want him, just whether he’d want us. That’s true. I think Howe would be very tempting to the board. He fits the profile of manager they like and is quite an indulgent ‘project’ appointment whilst being someone with proven success. I can see them wasting weeks courting Howe for him to turn us down for Palace or Celtic and us having to appoint ‘Simmo’ until the end of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinmans Love Child Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 47 minutes ago, Hare Island said: Sky covering all bases with pundits, star name players, has-beens and specialists in failure. Surprised not to see McClaren and a Balkan or two on there. Hughton, Moyes and McCarthy would have considered BS3 in the summer with the right setup and remuneration. Look what they’re all doing now - bringing success to their new clubs. The cheap option won’t have been cheap as well, once you factor in compo 7 months in. Absolutely fuming and the owners are seriously testing a 35 year allegiance to the City here. The next appointment has to be a good one. Buy cheap, buy twice....or in our case thrice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KegCity Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 3 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: That’s true. I think Howe would be very tempting to the board. He fits the profile of manager they like and is quite an indulgent ‘project’ appointment whilst being someone with proven success. I can see them wasting weeks courting Howe for him to turn us down for Palace or Celtic and us having to appoint ‘Simmo’ until the end of the season. Yeah would expect him to be able to land the Celtic job or anyone at the bottom end of the PL, which is why I doubt he’d come. I don’t think this will be a question of who the board want, rather who wants to come and work here. There’s no candidate that meets all the criteria of: promotion experience, has a backbone, willing to work with the board. Not that I can see anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatknacker Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 9 hours ago, Lordofthebling said: The depressing thing is, thats chris hughton Correct, highly depressing...my many season ticket holding friends at Brighton wouldn’t have him back if he were free! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 1 hour ago, Bill the Bee said: Paul Cook would be a good appointment took Wigan on a fantastic run second half of last season. I don't fully understand the Paul Cook excitement People complained that LJ had no experience at this level (albeit Cook has won League 2 a couple of times and League 1) Basically at this level he had half a good season? So did LJ a couple of times. Obviously he has experience winning lower leagues, but he seems as much a gamble to me as anyone else "unproven" at this level Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 Just now, MarcusX said: I don't fully understand the Paul Cook excitement People complained that LJ had no experience at this level (albeit Cook has won League 2 a couple of times and League 1) Basically at this level he had half a good season? So did LJ a couple of times. Obviously he has experience winning lower leagues, but he seems as much a gamble to me as anyone else "unproven" at this level It’s also his recruitment. He’s historically recruited very well on a small budget. Periodically his players have gone onto better things which is a good barometer. @Harry wrote a very good post on Cook’s history. Perhaps he could paste it here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 25 minutes ago, Fatknacker said: Correct, highly depressing...my many season ticket holding friends at Brighton wouldn’t have him back if he were free! That's because he couldn't do it as well in the Prem. I'm sure if they found themselves back down in the lower half of the Championship they'd take him back in heartbeat. Just now, Phileas Fogg said: It’s also his recruitment. He’s historically recruited very well on a small budget. Periodically his players have gone onto better things which is a good barometer. @Harry wrote a very good post on Cook’s history. Perhaps he could paste it here. Thanks, I don't know enough about him so only looking at his managerial record. If Ashton supposedly runs our recruitment though, that wont make much difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 Well this is a two horse race if it were up to OTIB. Sadly, I fear appointing the new head coach is something that the masses of OTIB are better qualified to do than the people actually doing it. If I were the board, I’d probably be looking to appoint a crowd pleaser. At this poll is a good place to start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrongagain Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 How about Barton? Imagine how many of our stars would be sporting girt big bruises when they fail to live up to expectations! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, MarcusX said: That's because he couldn't do it as well in the Prem. I'm sure if they found themselves back down in the lower half of the Championship they'd take him back in heartbeat. Thanks, I don't know enough about him so only looking at his managerial record. If Ashton supposedly runs our recruitment though, that wont make much difference? That’s a big point, reading between the lines we already turned eachother down in the summer so I’d say he’s fairly unlikely anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 6 minutes ago, MarcusX said: I don't fully understand the Paul Cook excitement People complained that LJ had no experience at this level (albeit Cook has won League 2 a couple of times and League 1) Basically at this level he had half a good season? So did LJ a couple of times. Obviously he has experience winning lower leagues, but he seems as much a gamble to me as anyone else "unproven" at this level But Paul Cook didn’t have a sugar daddy throwing money at him or the ability to treble the wage bill. Hardly a fair comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 Just now, Fordy62 said: Well this is a two horse race if it were up to OTIB. Sadly, I fear appointing the new head coach is something that the masses of OTIB are better qualified to do than the people actually doing it. If I were the board, I’d probably be looking to appoint a crowd pleaser. At this poll is a good place to start. They will do that I think. They can’t afford another unpopular appointment after the last 2 - arguably 3 actually, plenty had reservations about Cotterill at the time. I think McInness, Coppell and SO’D were OTIB’s last choices so a very mixed bag! Was Gary Johnson the people’s choice too? Can’t quite remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatknacker Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 5 minutes ago, MarcusX said: That's because he couldn't do it as well in the Prem. I'm sure if they found themselves back down in the lower half of the Championship they'd take him back in heartbeat. You are more sure than I am. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuber Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 9 minutes ago, MarcusX said: I don't fully understand the Paul Cook excitement People complained that LJ had no experience at this level (albeit Cook has won League 2 a couple of times and League 1) Basically at this level he had half a good season? So did LJ a couple of times. Obviously he has experience winning lower leagues, but he seems as much a gamble to me as anyone else "unproven" at this level See Wilder. Cook's been successfully at every club he's been at to some extent. Criticism of LJ is that he's a specialist - streaky and a mid-table specialist. Doesn't matter either way. Too much of a character for our board to deal with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogbad the Bad Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 7 minutes ago, MarcusX said: I don't fully understand the Paul Cook excitement People complained that LJ had no experience at this level (albeit Cook has won League 2 a couple of times and League 1) Ha ha, just a slight difference! People's complaint about Lee Johnson was that he had achieved nothing whatsoever and no other Championship club would have dreamed of appointing him - Cook, on the other hand has a very impressive record of success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, Fordy62 said: But Paul Cook didn’t have a sugar daddy throwing money at him or the ability to treble the wage bill. Hardly a fair comparison. I'm not really knocking him, it's a genuine question as I dont know enough about him - as I said was just looking purely at what he's achieved and whilst it's impressive in the lower 2 divisions (and my Pompey friends wanted him back) on paper he's no more experienced at this level than LJ Not denying the times I seen us against Wigan they seemed to play decent football 2 minutes ago, Fuber said: See Wilder. Cook's been successfully at every club he's been at to some extent. Criticism of LJ is that he's a specialist - streaky and a mid-table specialist. Doesn't matter either way. Too much of a character for our board to deal with. Yes, can't deny that he's had success everywhere and probably earned a shot at a Championship club. He also almost kept them up despite that huge point deduction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 12 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: It’s also his recruitment. He’s historically recruited very well on a small budget. Periodically his players have gone onto better things which is a good barometer. @Harry wrote a very good post on Cook’s history. Perhaps he could paste it here. You’re welcome : Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red white and red Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 End up with someone like Darren way! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real Red Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 Pointless doing a list of managers, first you've got to ask who Mark Ashton will allow to be interviewed and work under his control. www.otibclothing.co.uk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrick's Marvels Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 24 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: It’s also his recruitment. He’s historically recruited very well on a small budget. Periodically his players have gone onto better things which is a good barometer. @Harry wrote a very good post on Cook’s history. Perhaps he could paste it here. I can't remember Harry's post but presumably Cook's recruitment has been something he has control over, or at least meaningful collaborative input on, rather than it being run by some tcun with a laptop? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 11 minutes ago, Harry said: You’re welcome : Here @MarcusX - worth a read 11 minutes ago, Harry said: You’re welcome : Thanks, great post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WirralRobin Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 10 minutes ago, Harry said: You’re welcome : Thanks Harry, brilliant post! I really think Cook is the outstanding candidate. Not only for the talent acquisition set out so eloquently in the above post but for the experience of winning promotions and always seems to set up his team to play good football. Comes across as a great man manager/motivator too. As Harry set's out above he's a guy that has already done his managerial 'apprenticeship' too, someone who should be coming into his managerial peak which would be so refreshing after LJ and Holden who you were both learning on the job throughout their reigns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 22 minutes ago, Harry said: You’re welcome : Great post thanks for that, explains the excitement. I think it's promising that he's shown he can adapt to a different level and bring in players to suit that new level As I said though, it depends how much free reign he'd get with recruitment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 10 hours ago, formerly known as ivan said: Based on what he achieved with practically no budget at Wigan, has to be Cook My "ideal world" shortlist.. 1; Paul Cook. 2; Slavisa Jokanovic'. 3; Eddie Howe. All the above would scare the 'Mr Lansdown's very much indeed... So for that reason they're out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh1t_ref_again Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 Whilst stating the obvious we are in a very different situation to the summer, anyone coming in needs to be proven and know the league and can hit the ground running, so that will rule out and foreign coaches who have not managed in the UK before and probable ones from lower leagues. Until the end of the season he does not have any transfer budget or recruitment other than free agents, so may make some of the working under MA, less of an issue short term. So you could argue for a short term appointment until the end of the season, but if this is only seen as short term to avoid relegation and not a manager that would be wanted long term, the danger will become the manager does well and gets us climbing the table and difficult to not offer the job, even though may not fit the longer term plans. We may also lost the appeal of many higher profile managers, being able to come in last summer and bring in players to fit the system they like, as apposed to now working with a injury laden team in free fall and a possibility of a relegation on your CV if you cant turn it around, not all will be up for that fight. So who, Cook has been out of work for some time, don't see him getting a prem job any time soon, so the job could be very appealing, particularly if we know what reasons he would not want the job can be changed. Howe, think more likely if we get to the end of the season and still in the championship and offer him a nice rebuilding budget, as long as a prem team do not snap him up first. Pearson, would like as think we have always lacked a manager that can demand respect who has been there and done it, and not having senior players thinking I know more than you, maybe temp to end of season with a nice wad of cash and see how it works. Neil, starts getting messes from another club, but could certainly keep us up, not sure PNE current form is much of a recommendation. I do believe we are already well on the way to making the appointment as will have been in talks for days or maybe over a week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 Chucking a name out there based on nothing Emma Hayes Basically laughed off the proposition of having to take a L1 job and start lower down the football pyramid just to get into the mens game, very well respected, would have a point to prove entering the mens game, would compensation really be that much coming from the womens game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havanatopia Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 1 hour ago, The Bard said: Totally agree. Scare the shit out the players. Get a few wins and let the him look at what is needed. Can SL trust him so that he gets the control he needs? 10/12 weeks to find out. SL needs to ignore Ashton and get Pearson in. Ashton can either put up and shut up or walk... Either is fine by me. 1 hour ago, Fatknacker said: Correct, highly depressing...my many season ticket holding friends at Brighton wouldn’t have him back if he were free! That's now not when he was with them in the Championship riding high. I don't care if it turns sour in the Prem... Oh the luxury of getting there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Galley Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 I hope it’s wrong but I heard a rumour of Mark Hughes, apparently he is friendly with Mark Ashton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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