spudski Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 ...firstly the pool is small to choose from, which has been discussed before, because of the way the club works/ restraints etc. Not many would agree to work under it. But then on top of that...so many injuries to the squad to key players. Who's going to want that job? Pressure straight away, with half a squad and not able to buy. I feel for the next coach whoever it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clutton Caveman Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 I think any seriously good coach would demand a top down clear out. Ashton has been a failure and is hated by the fans Coaching staff have shown nothing in terms of player improvement and organisation Medical staff, no need to say more Dressing room seems wrong when players constantly follow one improved performance with a dreadful display. For me the best solution would be to look for a very experienced manager almost ready to move upstairs. Give him total control of all football matters, ask him to appoint a good number 2 and when he us ready promote the young guy and move the older guy upstairs. I am putting on my flak hat before the next line but what about Roy Hodgson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveF Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, Clutton Caveman said: I am putting on my flak hat before the next line but what about Roy Hodgson He's not going to leave Palace for us... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red_Alligator Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 I don't think it's "us" we need to worry about Spud.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan_BCFC Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, DaveF said: He's not going to leave Palace for us... He might do when he gets the sack at the end of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 Don't you think Turners are up to it? Should we got back to Peter Carroll? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davo370 Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 How can we trust people who took 6 weeks to appoint Holden followed by 2minutes to appoint Downing and Simpson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red_Alligator Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, billywedlock said: I just mentioned Roy on another thread, not as manager , I doubt he will carry on anyway, but as a boardroom advisor to Steve L. Certainly the club needs a jump in knowledge and experience and contacts if it is aiming higher. He has seen it all. Would be an asset for Steve L. That's not a bad idea Billy.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristolisredd Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 1 minute ago, Davo370 said: How can we trust people who took 6 weeks to appoint Holden followed by 2minutes to appoint Downing and Simpson. 2 minutes to appoint downing and Simpson ? It’s quite normal for the assistant manager to take over for a couple days or however long it is till we find a new manager ... who did you want the club to appoint ? Pep? prat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 5 minutes ago, DaveF said: He's not going to leave Palace for us... He might do if, as rumoured, Palace are looking to bring in Eddie Howe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southport Red Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, Bristolisredd said: 2 minutes to appoint downing and Simpson ? It’s quite normal for the assistant manager to take over for a couple days or however long it is till we find a new manager ... who did you want the club to appoint ? Pep? prat I think he meant their initial appointment. IIRC Holden was appointed, there was a colossal WHHHAAAATTTTT? From the fan base and then suddenly, a few days later, there were the dynamic duo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Engvall’s Splinter Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 22 minutes ago, spudski said: ...firstly the pool is small to choose from, which has been discussed before, because of the way the club works/ restraints etc. Not many would agree to work under it. But then on top of that...so many injuries to the squad to key players. Who's going to want that job? Pressure straight away, with half a squad and not able to buy. I feel for the next coach whoever it is. I’d like a manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 4 minutes ago, Engvall’s Splinter said: I’d like a manager. Yes ok, but this is about the football club..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ooRya Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 We certainly won't struggle to get decent applicants for the job, whether we appoint someone decent is another matter............ Everything is there to make us an attractive proposition, ground/training facilities etc, and (dare I say) a pretty decent squad of players when fit. Even though the last few months have been a painful step backwards, it's not so long ago that people were saying WHEN Bristol City get promoted, not IF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BetterRedthanBlue Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 For me the problem is the structure. Will Ashton really give up that much control for a decent manager? My head says no. Ashton has his mates in charge of the medical department (which has been criticised by players this season). As per @Clutton Cavemanwe need a change from the top down. Whether that be bringing in a DoF or letting the new manager have total control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted February 17, 2021 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 Let's be honest...MA isn't going anywhere. It's him who SL went to originally in a consultancy arrangement before employing him. Any new coach will have to work within the same remit and with all the injuries. We also don't know whether they'll be told to work with the assistants we have. A pay off to MA, the assistants and DH isn't going to happen this season imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveInSA Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 Based on previous. We will appoint a yes man. My view is we need a complete overhaul. Ashton needs to go. The backroom needs clearing out. The medical team needs clearing out. The OOC players need to leave. This will remove significant cost from the footballing side of the club. That leaves us with a BIG restructuring job. Appoint a senior footballing person into Ashton's role. Set up a lean, mean and effective backroom. From coaching, to recruitment, to academy to medical. Appoint a manager with proven success, who has a preferred system of playing, and who can feed into the CEO role. BUT - big Steve won't do any of this. Because he doesn't like admitting he is wrong. And his massive ego won't let him do it. As you were then. Bouncing around mid table in the Championship. Flirting with relegation. and pussyfooting around the play offs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 14 minutes ago, Clutton Caveman said: I think any seriously good coach would demand a top down clear out. Ashton has been a failure and is hated by the fans Coaching staff have shown nothing in terms of player improvement and organisation Medical staff, no need to say more Dressing room seems wrong when players constantly follow one improved performance with a dreadful display. For me the best solution would be to look for a very experienced manager almost ready to move upstairs. Give him total control of all football matters, ask him to appoint a good number 2 and when he us ready promote the young guy and move the older guy upstairs. I am putting on my flak hat before the next line but what about Roy Hodgson I would have thought, and hoped, that events over the last year, would have alerted the owner that there are too many things not quite right at the club and that would be sufficient for him to instigate change along the lines you mention. If SL is prepared to bite the bullet, than perhaps it could be used to the club’s advantage in the recruitment process. Rather than prospective candidates being deterred by the perceived problems and issues, the job could be better “sold” to the right candidates on the basis that part of their remit will be to be involved in some of the restructuring, and certainly in areas that have direct impact on the footballing side of things e.g. player recruitment, transfer strategy , coaching and medical support. I think that not only did DH’s inexperience count against him, the fact that it seems that the real decisions about players were made by MA, must have weakened his standing with the players ( and probably the same with LJ). Accordingly perhaps we need to go back to having more of an old school type manager. That does not mean we appoint one of the,what are loosely described as, “dinosaurs”, because I think we should be forward thinking, but a manager with greater autonomy over footballing matters, including recruitment and transfer policy. Of course there needs to be executive control above the manager to ensure budgetary control, but not to the extent that has existed previously, where MA seems to be have had almost total control, recruiting players primarily because of their perceived profit potential and not because the coach necessarily needs/wants them to enhance and improve the playing squad and team. Whether this means MA going or just having his job description and responsibilities re-defined I don't know - that is a decision for SL - but to me it seems clear that the way it has been operating is not now working and something has to change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 We already have one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offside Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 It concerns me too. If the structure doesn’t change, that must limit our options. Added to that is whether we’ve burnt any bridges with potential candidates we spoke to in the summer. It’ll be interesting to see what decision SL will make. The appointment in the summer was a fiasco and we were stagnating prior to that. Will he decide that things need overhauling? We are crying out for a manager/head coach to galvanise the squad and on top of that our recruitment seems shambolic. Surely things have to be shaken up and done differently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturny Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 There's decent enough coaches out there. We'll attract a few, similar to how we did in the summer. We just need to find one that agrees to work with what ever system MA/SL lay out in the interviews, that's the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davo370 Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 34 minutes ago, Bristolisredd said: 2 minutes to appoint downing and Simpson ? It’s quite normal for the assistant manager to take over for a couple days or however long it is till we find a new manager ... who did you want the club to appoint ? Pep? prat Let's see who they appoint this time dick ead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRock Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 10 minutes ago, spudski said: Let's be honest...MA isn't going anywhere. It's him who SL went to originally in a consultancy arrangement before employing him. Any new coach will have to work within the same remit and with all the injuries. We also don't know whether they'll be told to work with the assistants we have. A pay off to MA, the assistants and DH isn't going to happen this season imo. Regrettably, I think you’re correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornacix the Druid Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 An old Irish man once said to me, "if things don't change... they'll stay the same." Which is obvious, but wise words in this situation if you think about it. I consulted the "Good Tarot" on the question " will things change at bcfc" and i picked the "5 of water" The 5 of water is about releasing grief and allowing sadness to come... and then go. It says that emotions that were holding you back from acknowledging the truth need to be let go, that you realise what is no longer working for you and that you make amends to those you may have harmed. Spooky eh? Read into that what you will. I will give more utter bo#@ocks predictions in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted February 17, 2021 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 1 minute ago, Cornacix the Druid said: An old Irish man once said to me, "if things don't change... they'll stay the same." Which is obvious, but wise words in this situation if you think about it. I consulted the "Good Tarot" on the question " will things change at bcfc" and i picked the "5 of water" The 5 of water is about releasing grief and allowing sadness to come... and then go. It says that emotions that were holding you back from acknowledging the truth need to be let go, that you realise what is no longer working for you and that you make amends to those you may have harmed. Spooky eh? Read into that what you will. I will give more utter bo#@ocks predictions in the future. We could do with that big pot obelix fell into as a baby :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottie Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, Cornacix the Druid said: An old Irish man once said to me, "if things don't change... they'll stay the same." Which is obvious, but wise words in this situation if you think about it. I consulted the "Good Tarot" on the question " will things change at bcfc" and i picked the "5 of water" The 5 of water is about releasing grief and allowing sadness to come... and then go. It says that emotions that were holding you back from acknowledging the truth need to be let go, that you realise what is no longer working for you and that you make amends to those you may have harmed. Spooky eh? Read into that what you will. I will give more utter bo#@ocks predictions in the future. Oooh creepy, really interesting though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 More to the point, the prodigal son, his mute accomplice and the former youth team goalie, don't seem capable of identifying a decent manager even if he's sitting in front of them. We just know they are going to use Covid as a reason to try to chisel down salary demands and I fear the result is going to be disappointing again. Perhaps not as disappointing as appointing Holden, I would hope they've learned from that fiasco, but certainly not optimal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redland Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 33 minutes ago, ooRya said: We certainly won't struggle to get decent applicants for the job, whether we appoint someone decent is another matter............ Everything is there to make us an attractive proposition, ground/training facilities etc, and (dare I say) a pretty decent squad of players when fit. I am concerned that after the five week appointment debacle 6 months ago any decent managers might be reluctant to waste their time by applying for the job. And last July we were a far more attractive proposition than we are now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivorguy Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 Any candidate worth his salt would do his research on the club, including undoubtedly reading Otib. Thus our chances of recruiting anyone from outside the club will be severely limited by facts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 I worry that the next appointment will be wrong completely, and will just finish us off this season (providing someone is appointed before then). I also worry that the next appointment will be right, but for the wrong reasons. Bear with me. The supporters are mightily peeved off with performances, wrong appointments, and higher ups getting involved too much. A lot of people want a name. I fear that the "right" name, although will keep certain quarters quiet and happy, will be the wrong name from an internal point, and cause no ends of problems with wanting big names on huge money. If and when they don't get their way, will walk out and put us back in this position in 6 months time. I'm also not sure I completely trust the board to get the appointment right. Personally if I was Steve, I'd be saying to the boy wonder and Slippery Mark, you've ballsed the last appointment up, I'm bringing in some outside advisors to ensure we get the right person for the job. We know he's turned to Moyes for his opinions before (at least I don't think I've imagined that), but also what about Simon Jordan? Yes OK Jordan is part of the double act with Warnock from their Palace days, but he knows his stuff, has taken Palace back into Prem before, and hired some decent names himself. Also if you listen to him on Talksport, he talks a lot of sense (and I didn't want to like him when I first heard him). I'm not talking about bringing him in on a permanent basis (although we could do worse), but just for an outside viewpoint. Consultancy. This board has got it wrong way too many times. That is the worrying thing for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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