City1984 Posted February 18, 2021 Report Share Posted February 18, 2021 3 hours ago, Kid in the Riot said: They were brought into help out Dean and lead traning sessions as a daily basis with the players. They were also there to assist Dean and support him in his first managerial role. This is comfortably the worst coached set of players I have ever seen at Ashton Gate. For the quality of players at their disposal, even taking account of injuries, individual as well as team performances have been pathetic. That's why I call them clowns. They carry the can along with Dean and need to be removed from the club ASAP. THIS I am surprised they’ve not been labelled as Paul Simpleton and Stuart Clowning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Dante Posted February 18, 2021 Report Share Posted February 18, 2021 Just now, City1984 said: THIS I am surprised they’ve not been labelled as Paul Simpleton and Stuart Clowning I’m not. Two reasons. - It’s a bit shit - His names Keith Stuart Downing plays for Blackburn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted February 18, 2021 Report Share Posted February 18, 2021 It doesn’t help that people remember how nondescript Steve Wigley was during the caretaker spell. Both seem fairly dour too. It’s difficult to criticise coaches too much as we don’t know exactly what they do on a day to day and whether the former manager listened to them.. however I think they all should shoulder some responsibility for this season. We’ve looked so poor in matches, made so many rookie errors and our shape and positioning so flimsy that it’s clear our training hasn’t been too effective. It’s right I think that we have a fresh start with the new boss and let him bring in his own people. We have to get this appointment right or it’ll cost us with more payoffs in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Hunt-Hertz Posted February 18, 2021 Report Share Posted February 18, 2021 At least Dowding would have us fighting on the beaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted February 18, 2021 Report Share Posted February 18, 2021 Simpson and Downing were brought in to assist Holden. Holden’s failure is partly their failure. we all wanted Holden and his assistants to be a brilliant appointment. They were not. Yes injuries were a problem but the absolute failure to even be able to mount a serious attack with what we had was mortifying. I don’t know who will pick the side on Saturday, but I’m hoping its Tinman as the next best fella is managing the girls team! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
City1984 Posted February 18, 2021 Report Share Posted February 18, 2021 1 hour ago, Silvio Dante said: I’m not. Two reasons. - It’s a bit shit - His names Keith Stuart Downing plays for Blackburn Ha ha what a Wally. Typing while trying to paint a Red Dead Redemption theme on my boys radiator has led to me to be the clown. I knew something was wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted February 18, 2021 Report Share Posted February 18, 2021 4 hours ago, dREDful said: It was quite easy to convince them, they were the ones looking for new jobs and may have even applied for the top role. I'm surprised how few people knew they were being laid off from their England roles when they arrived. https://www.skysports.com/football/news/12016/12033288/england-coaches-in-danger-amid-fa-job-cuts Thanks for sharing that. I hadn’t seen that back last summer. Certainly adds more evidence to the total ‘spin’ we put on these appointments. It was presented as us almost pulling off some huge coup, but in actual fact, they were soon to be out on their ears anyway. Add that to the ludicrous spin job about their historical achievements and it’s looking ever more like a very tall tale again from our CEO. Who’d have thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shepton red Posted February 18, 2021 Report Share Posted February 18, 2021 1 hour ago, Mike Hunt-Hertz said: At least Dowding would have us fighting on the beaches. Not on the beaches my friend, but in the Air!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Hunt-Hertz Posted February 18, 2021 Report Share Posted February 18, 2021 15 minutes ago, shepton red said: Not on the beaches my friend, but in the Air!! Ha, yes. But that didn't quite fit with the Stuffy Dowding joke! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YGBjammy Posted February 18, 2021 Report Share Posted February 18, 2021 At least our passing will be better To me! To you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveInSA Posted February 18, 2021 Report Share Posted February 18, 2021 5 hours ago, old_eastender said: Maybe Mark Ashton could use his immense football knowledge to pick the side, he pretty much has the say over everything else... I reckon he does this already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted February 18, 2021 Report Share Posted February 18, 2021 6 hours ago, Rob k said: Couldn’t agree more - for the ability this lot have I’ve never seen a worse City side I have to agree Rob....I might’ve moaned at some of LJ’s teams performances, but bar those early 2 months of this season, some of the performance levels and decision making has been scandalous. Holden-ball (tongue in cheek) didn’t last long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted February 18, 2021 Report Share Posted February 18, 2021 4 hours ago, Cowshed said: The Manager / Head Coach. Its his job to assess how well his ideas, the coaching and training is being implemented on the pitch. Coaches frequently will/can have little to no tactical input, its not the role. As an aside injuries to players can be associated with change. Changing the demands in training frequently and altering how you train can injure players instead of conditioning bodies over weeks and months. Bristol City alter a lot in and season and x this seasons heavy playing demands = Players will be injured more frequently. Its the Manager / Head Coach job to assess .. And therein lies the problem of expecting a coach to be able to step-up into the head-coach role. Some will have the extra set of skills to make that jump, some won’t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniro Posted February 18, 2021 Report Share Posted February 18, 2021 3 hours ago, Phileas Fogg said: We’ve looked so poor in matches, made so many rookie errors and our shape and positioning so flimsy that it’s clear our training hasn’t been too effective. I watched the Watford goals again - apart from the two we actually scored for them ( unlucky deflections maybe?), the others came from us giving the ball away needlessly. It's like watching kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniro Posted February 18, 2021 Report Share Posted February 18, 2021 1 hour ago, Harry said: Thanks for sharing that. I hadn’t seen that back last summer. Certainly adds more evidence to the total ‘spin’ we put on these appointments. It was presented as us almost pulling off some huge coup, but in actual fact, they were soon to be out on their ears anyway. Add that to the ludicrous spin job about their historical achievements and it’s looking ever more like a very tall tale again from our CEO. Who’d have thought it looks more and more like Ashton cobbled the terrible trio together himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfcnick Posted February 18, 2021 Report Share Posted February 18, 2021 I think I read somewhere that they were persuaded to come by giving two and half year contracts. They won't be on colossal salaries though. It always staggers me why clubs such as City splash out millions on players who may or may not come off but penny pinch instead of head hunting elite recruitment coaching / managerial staff. Not only does that help bring a successful side but more than pays for itself in the enhanced value of players recruited and coached. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Dante Posted February 18, 2021 Report Share Posted February 18, 2021 10 minutes ago, Daniro said: it looks more and more like Ashton cobbled the terrible trio together himself. It’s certainly got the whiff of that. Look, I know in football people know people and there are links you may not know exist, but IIRC Holden had no links whatsoever with Downing certainly, and a passing acquaintance with Simpson. If I’m Holden, and I’m taking charge of a job at a level I’ve never managed at before, I want someone on board who I know and I can trust as my assistant. Not someone who I’ve heard good things about - somebody I know I can work with. Hell, even established managers make sure they have a team in place they trust and take everywhere (Warnock, Blackwell, Jepson for example - Mad Mick and Connor another). And for new bosses - take someone like Lampard who when taking charge at Derby ensured his assistant was someone he knew well (Morris) and could lean on - ditto Gerrard at Rangers when he took Gary McAllister. The dynamic between a manager and his coaches is vital. Holdens been in the game long enough to know that. So, why, in his first real job, would he appoint as his right hand men people he didn’t know and had no idea if he could work with? The whole things weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadrunner Posted February 18, 2021 Report Share Posted February 18, 2021 So will these two be picking the team on Saturday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniro Posted February 18, 2021 Report Share Posted February 18, 2021 2 hours ago, Silvio Dante said: It’s certainly got the whiff of that. Look, I know in football people know people and there are links you may not know exist, but IIRC Holden had no links whatsoever with Downing certainly, and a passing acquaintance with Simpson. If I’m Holden, and I’m taking charge of a job at a level I’ve never managed at before, I want someone on board who I know and I can trust as my assistant. Not someone who I’ve heard good things about - somebody I know I can work with. Hell, even established managers make sure they have a team in place they trust and take everywhere (Warnock, Blackwell, Jepson for example - Mad Mick and Connor another). And for new bosses - take someone like Lampard who when taking charge at Derby ensured his assistant was someone he knew well (Morris) and could lean on - ditto Gerrard at Rangers when he took Gary McAllister. The dynamic between a manager and his coaches is vital. Holdens been in the game long enough to know that. So, why, in his first real job, would he appoint as his right hand men people he didn’t know and had no idea if he could work with? The whole things weird. Just watched the video of the press conference where Ashton introduces Holden. Says they had detailed conversations with 10 people and shortlisted 4. But look at his body language at 17.47 when he says " What this club has done, or to be fair, what Dean has done is said that he wants to bring in that experience around him." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westex red Posted February 18, 2021 Report Share Posted February 18, 2021 4 hours ago, Roadrunner said: So will these two be picking the team on Saturday? Can't see it being any different if they pick the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clutton Caveman Posted February 19, 2021 Report Share Posted February 19, 2021 On 18/02/2021 at 07:23, Engvall’s Splinter said: I do think placing our hopes of safety on an inexperienced teenager may not be advisable. I would utilise from the bench though for sure. Could he do any worse than Fam and Wells? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Engvall’s Splinter Posted February 19, 2021 Report Share Posted February 19, 2021 19 minutes ago, Clutton Caveman said: Could he do any worse than Fam and Wells? If he did, would he not get destroyed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slack Bladder Posted February 19, 2021 Report Share Posted February 19, 2021 I think the team for Saturday could be an interesting one These two have a free hit basically, nobody expects us to win and neither of them will be the new manager, so I am fully expecting a rather 'Gung Ho' approach Lets give it both barrels and we might get 2 shots on goal and a corner !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myol'man Posted February 19, 2021 Report Share Posted February 19, 2021 Which one of the Chuckle Brothers will pick the team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich_s Posted February 19, 2021 Report Share Posted February 19, 2021 Simpson & Dowding Sounds like a Gentlemen's clothing emporium from a bygone era Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingswood Robin Posted February 19, 2021 Report Share Posted February 19, 2021 We should go for Ashford and Simpson. The football won't be up to much, but we'll be Solid as a Rock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted February 19, 2021 Report Share Posted February 19, 2021 1 hour ago, myol'man said: Which one of the Chuckle Brothers will pick the team? If only our players could pass “to me”, “to you”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthS22 Posted February 19, 2021 Report Share Posted February 19, 2021 On 18/02/2021 at 10:31, David Brent said: The point is that the players clearly haven’t been coached properly. And any old clown can get a job with the FA Totally agree with that. The FA don't have a great record on giving clowns all sorts of jobs - the last Chairman Greg Clarke proves the point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted February 20, 2021 Report Share Posted February 20, 2021 Need moving on ASAP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AppyDAZE Posted February 20, 2021 Report Share Posted February 20, 2021 Simpson, Downing... Go away. Please just go away and get out of my life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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