Silvio Dante Posted March 2, 2021 Report Share Posted March 2, 2021 2 minutes ago, Kibs said: Walsh not in todays U23 squad. Don't think he was in the "Failand Uncut" video either. Injured again? That’d be my reading. Listening to Pearson when talking about Weimann etc, he was clear he won’t rush people back - and there isn’t an immediate need for Walsh vs Bournemouth. Therefore, I’d have thought he’d have been in the U23s to continue his recovery unless he’s had a setback 1 minute ago, downendcity said: One piece of good news! Has GMac been living under a stone for the last week? Possibly, as he posted that 10 days ago... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard Posted March 2, 2021 Report Share Posted March 2, 2021 52 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said: That’d be my reading. Listening to Pearson when talking about Weimann etc, he was clear he won’t rush people back - and there isn’t an immediate need for Walsh vs Bournemouth. Therefore, I’d have thought he’d have been in the U23s to continue his recovery unless he’s had a setback Possibly, as he posted that 10 days ago... It makes you wonder what on earth Holden and the coaches were thinking when sticking Paterson, Lansbury and Williams into the side when they clearly weren't fit. You would hope we don't start a player until they've completed 90 minutes for the under 23s. This really isn't difficult. It's just common sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted March 2, 2021 Report Share Posted March 2, 2021 26 minutes ago, The Bard said: It makes you wonder what on earth Holden and the coaches were thinking when sticking Paterson, Lansbury and Williams into the side when they clearly weren't fit. You would hope we don't start a player until they've completed 90 minutes for the under 23s. This really isn't difficult. It's just common sense. What happens if the medical team say they’re fit, and / or player agrees too? We honestly don’t know that they were clearly unfit though? I do agree that risking players who aren’t fully fit is stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted March 2, 2021 Report Share Posted March 2, 2021 35 minutes ago, The Bard said: It makes you wonder what on earth Holden and the coaches were thinking when sticking Paterson, Lansbury and Williams into the side when they clearly weren't fit. You would hope we don't start a player until they've completed 90 minutes for the under 23s. This really isn't difficult. It's just common sense. This is what happens when you put idiots in charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted March 2, 2021 Report Share Posted March 2, 2021 1 hour ago, The Bard said: It makes you wonder what on earth Holden and the coaches were thinking when sticking Paterson, Lansbury and Williams into the side when they clearly weren't fit. You would hope we don't start a player until they've completed 90 minutes for the under 23s. This really isn't difficult. It's just common sense. The same level of thinking that caused us to acquire Brunt, and THEN acquire Lansbury! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Davefevs Posted March 2, 2021 Report Share Posted March 2, 2021 24 minutes ago, Northern Red said: Interesting that NP seems to be very cautious with returning players, and in the presser said there’s a big difference between being back on the grass and being fit to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanDimz Posted March 2, 2021 Report Share Posted March 2, 2021 Makes you wonder if the lack of cautiousness resulted in further complications with the players such as Mawson, Williams and Pato to name a few? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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1960maaan Posted March 2, 2021 Report Share Posted March 2, 2021 41 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Interesting that NP seems to be very cautious with returning players, and in the presser said there’s a big difference between being back on the grass and being fit to play. 19 minutes ago, bcfcbulgaria said: Makes you wonder if the lack of cautiousness resulted in further complications with the players such as Mawson, Williams and Pato to name a few? I do wonder if the situation left Holden feeling he needed to risk players fitness. Experience shouldn't make a difference, being a player he should know what the dangers are, but in his first job and on a really poor run? Yes, player may have said he was fit, medical team may have said the same. But that bit where Pearson mentioned being fit to play was telling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lew-T Posted March 2, 2021 Report Share Posted March 2, 2021 32 minutes ago, SBB said: Yes and that’s the only time we see him in that video... Weimann, Baker, O’Dowda and even Watkins got plenty of airtime there. Nothing on Walsh... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBB Posted March 2, 2021 Report Share Posted March 2, 2021 20 minutes ago, Lew-T said: Yes and that’s the only time we see him in that video... Weimann, Baker, O’Dowda and even Watkins got plenty of airtime there. Nothing on Walsh... I also wondered why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted March 2, 2021 Report Share Posted March 2, 2021 1 hour ago, Davefevs said: Interesting that NP seems to be very cautious with returning players, and in the presser said there’s a big difference between being back on the grass and being fit to play. That’s not rocket science - surely? Like most football fans I’m certain that Big Nige knows better than most what the risk of bringing players back who aren’t fully match fit prematurely are. Moving and running on the grass is just the preliminary stage when returning to full fitness but a positive sign nonetheless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted March 2, 2021 Report Share Posted March 2, 2021 1 minute ago, Robbored said: That’s not rocket science - surely? Like most football fans I’m certain that Big Nige knows better than most what the risk of bringing players back who aren’t fully match fit prematurely are. Moving and running on the grass is just the preliminary stage when returning to full fitness but a positive sign nonetheless. You’d think not.....but there are some on here that can’t get their head around that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted March 2, 2021 Report Share Posted March 2, 2021 11 minutes ago, Robbored said: That’s not rocket science - surely? Like most football fans I’m certain that Big Nige knows better than most what the risk of bringing players back who aren’t fully match fit prematurely are. Moving and running on the grass is just the preliminary stage when returning to full fitness but a positive sign nonetheless. You read biographies or general football books, watch Documentaries etc. The health of players has been secondary for years. That's why in later life so many had problems, playing with injections was common place. Playing with injuries wasn't just encouraged it was expected. Much better now, but as I said, the situation may colour managers judgement . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted March 2, 2021 Report Share Posted March 2, 2021 4 minutes ago, 1960maaan said: You read biographies or general football books, watch Documentaries etc. The health of players has been secondary for years. That's why in later life so many had problems, playing with injections was common place. Playing with injuries wasn't just encouraged it was expected. Much better now, but as I said, the situation may colour managers judgement . That was certainly true back then and fairly common place no doubt during Big Nige’s playing career but like most modern managers he’ll know that it’s a no no these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted March 2, 2021 Report Share Posted March 2, 2021 7 minutes ago, Robbored said: That was certainly true back then and fairly common place no doubt during Big Nige’s playing career but like most modern managers he’ll know that it’s a no no these days. I was sort of thinking more to Holden and playing Williams twice, bringing Paterson in with no warm up games etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted March 2, 2021 Report Share Posted March 2, 2021 11 minutes ago, 1960maaan said: I was sort of thinking more to Holden and playing Williams twice, bringing Paterson in with no warm up games etc. I wasn’t aware of either example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted March 2, 2021 Report Share Posted March 2, 2021 4 minutes ago, Robbored said: I wasn’t aware of either example. I think I'm right in saying, Williams had about 60 minutes for the U23's, then played Vs Cardiff and again against Sheff U. a few days later. Been out 6 months, not sure why he was needed Vs Sheff U. Paterson had been out for 2 months TBF , he did get a couple of 30 minutes as sub, but then started 3 games . You have to question whether it was too much after a lay off. Rowe was another , and I know he declared himself fit. But to then lose him for the season, remembering he was our only available left back, looks negligent . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alessandro Posted March 2, 2021 Report Share Posted March 2, 2021 40 minutes ago, 1960maaan said: I was sort of thinking more to Holden and playing Williams twice, bringing Paterson in with no warm up games etc. Add Sess to that “rushed back not fully fit” list too. Luckily he’s been managed since that Reading game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted March 2, 2021 Report Share Posted March 2, 2021 2 minutes ago, 1960maaan said: I think I'm right in saying, Williams had about 60 minutes for the U23's, then played Vs Cardiff and again against Sheff U. a few days later. Been out 6 months, not sure why he was needed Vs Sheff U. Paterson had been out for 2 months TBF , he did get a couple of 30 minutes as sub, but then started 3 games . You have to question whether it was too much after a lay off. Rowe was another , and I know he declared himself fit. But to then lose him for the season, remembering he was our only available left back, looks negligent . These examples are clearly at least one contributing factor to the jury list City have had - and to me anyway ‘suggests’ that Deano was at least partially to blame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted March 2, 2021 Report Share Posted March 2, 2021 2 minutes ago, Robbored said: These examples are clearly at least one contributing factor to the jury list City have had - and to me anyway ‘suggests’ that Deano was at least partially to blame. Like I said earlier, he may have felt a lot of pressure because of our poor run. Under pressure people make poor choices. I don't think it helps when you have players like Walsh who has had at least 2 false starts, club says "back on grass" only for him to continue to be injured.JD seems to have his problem missed completely. Then you have the players who's injuries can't be blamed on anything, but have still meant pressure building, Weimann and original injuries to Sess and Mawson. You can imagine Holden, struggling to put out a balanced team may have just thought the risk was worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted March 2, 2021 Report Share Posted March 2, 2021 10 minutes ago, 1960maaan said: Like I said earlier, he may have felt a lot of pressure because of our poor run. Under pressure people make poor choices. I don't think it helps when you have players like Walsh who has had at least 2 false starts, club says "back on grass" only for him to continue to be injured.JD seems to have his problem missed completely. Then you have the players who's injuries can't be blamed on anything, but have still meant pressure building, Weimann and original injuries to Sess and Mawson. You can imagine Holden, struggling to put out a balanced team may have just thought the risk was worth it. Yep & despite what some think these people aren’t fools, Holden probably knew he was on very thin ice so gambled on the fitness of Williams, Paterson & Sessegnon possibly hoping it might save his job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted March 2, 2021 Report Share Posted March 2, 2021 4 minutes ago, GrahamC said: Yep & despite what some think these people aren’t fools, Holden probably knew he was on very thin ice so gambled on the fitness of Williams, Paterson & Sessegnon possibly hoping it might save his job. Yeah, I think you and 1960maan are both spot on. At least now we have a manager who hopefully won’t be under the same pressure as Deano was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Street red Posted March 2, 2021 Report Share Posted March 2, 2021 1 hour ago, Davefevs said: You’d think not.....but there are some on here that can’t get their head around that. It is pretty simple when you think about it you would of thought,This has been city's issue for a while players might be back on the grass kicking a ball doing warm up's etc etc but the overall fitness to play is a different matter we've not had a eleven that are fit enough to play on a consistent basis which infact effect's overall results and confidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted March 2, 2021 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2021 41 minutes ago, 1960maaan said: I think I'm right in saying, Williams had about 60 minutes for the U23's, then played Vs Cardiff and again against Sheff U. a few days later. Been out 6 months, not sure why he was needed Vs Sheff U. Paterson had been out for 2 months TBF , he did get a couple of 30 minutes as sub, but then started 3 games . You have to question whether it was too much after a lay off. Rowe was another , and I know he declared himself fit. But to then lose him for the season, remembering he was our only available left back, looks negligent . 45 mins then 65 mins the following week, seemingly it could have been the two quick first team games that may have done it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted March 2, 2021 Report Share Posted March 2, 2021 Just now, Lrrr said: 45 mins then 65 mins the following week, seemingly it could have been the two quick first team games that may have done it Yep. More annoying that the 2nd was a Cup game, nice if you win, but in the grand scheme of things not vitally important . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted March 2, 2021 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2021 4 minutes ago, 1960maaan said: Yep. More annoying that the 2nd was a Cup game, nice if you win, but in the grand scheme of things not vitally important . I can see why Williams was played though he'd come through 45, 65 and 60 before the game he got injured in, he got injured around 55 mins so could have been a case he was due to come off in 5 minutes when it happened. Only those involved with his recovery will know the real story of how ready he was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Lrrr Posted March 5, 2021 Author Report Share Posted March 5, 2021 Think the fact he's at first team training puts to bed any murmurs of being injured Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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