mozo Posted March 2, 2021 Report Share Posted March 2, 2021 Interesting that Weimann got high praise from Pearson in the press conference. He said summat like Weimann is his type of player; hardworking, team player etc. Doesn't expect the Ostrich - sorry, Austrian - to be fit this season, but quite an endorsement with the contract situation being what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrisbc Posted March 2, 2021 Report Share Posted March 2, 2021 3 minutes ago, mozo said: Interesting that Weimann got high praise from Pearson in the press conference. He said summat like Weimann is his type of player; hardworking, team player etc. Doesn't expect the Ostrich - sorry, Austrian - to be fit this season, but quite an endorsement with the contract situation being what it is. I wouldnt look too much into it - I would expect his contract to be renewed unless the changing face of wages has rendered his current contract unrealistic. He has a 1 year extension that can be triggered which I'm assuming would be on his current wage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidercity1987 Posted March 2, 2021 Report Share Posted March 2, 2021 Ironic that Pearson didnt start Weimann, not even once, when they were both at Derby. I'm guessing Weimann was injured for a while as he often wasn't in the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidercity1987 Posted March 2, 2021 Report Share Posted March 2, 2021 30 minutes ago, JonDolman said: Yep picked up knee injury just before season opener against Brighton Your research was a lot better than mine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon79 Posted March 2, 2021 Report Share Posted March 2, 2021 55 minutes ago, JonDolman said: I just looked into Pearson's time at Derby. Wasn't there long and was doing quite poorly before he left the club. Weimann was unavailable for the first 9 games with a knee injury. He appeared 3 times for Pearson before Pearson left. He started against Liverpool in the league cup and came on in the 2nd half on 2 occasions in the league. Pearson played him on the wing. I wonder if he will see Andi as a winger now or will like how Holden used him in a box to box midfield role. Good god I hope not. Get what he brings to the team, but a midfielder he most definitely isn’t. COYR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon79 Posted March 3, 2021 Report Share Posted March 3, 2021 11 hours ago, JonDolman said: Really? I think that's where he has been best for us I was never a fan of him playing in there. He gives you an energy in there without a doubt, that can be infectious. But for me, I want to see composure & someone who is able to pick a pass, for me that’s not Weimann. He wouldn’t play in any other top 6 ( top 10?, top 12? ) central midfield position. For me it was always going to be found out, the early results masked a lot of things Imo & I think I’m correct in saying that we never played anyone of note up to the point he got injured. Happy for him to be up top with Wells with our current squad, but would be amazed if Pearson picks him in a central midfield position. COYR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Thompson Posted March 3, 2021 Report Share Posted March 3, 2021 We have had so many players with serious injuries this season, of course they’ve been missed. The issue now is how well have they recovered. Have they got the pace and stamina to challenge for a PL push?. Seems to me all those midfield players we had at the start of the season have a hell of a lot of work to do to change us into promotion candidates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted March 3, 2021 Report Share Posted March 3, 2021 3 hours ago, Simon79 said: I was never a fan of him playing in there. He gives you an energy in there without a doubt, that can be infectious. But for me, I want to see composure & someone who is able to pick a pass, for me that’s not Weimann. He wouldn’t play in any other top 6 ( top 10?, top 12? ) central midfield position. For me it was always going to be found out, the early results masked a lot of things Imo & I think I’m correct in saying that we never played anyone of note up to the point he got injured. Happy for him to be up top with Wells with our current squad, but would be amazed if Pearson picks him in a central midfield position. COYR Think we need to wait and see the make up of a true Pearson team first. If we take second half on Saturday, I could easily see him in one of a few of those “midfield” roles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneTeamInBristol Posted March 3, 2021 Report Share Posted March 3, 2021 Weimann is an important player for us when fit. Wherever he's played his energy levels are the best we've had in years and in my opinion he's the cleverest player (in footballing terms) that we have at the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon79 Posted March 3, 2021 Report Share Posted March 3, 2021 1 hour ago, JonDolman said: Fair enough. Yeah not a lot to go on and wasn't always great end of last season in that role. I prefer him there than on the wing though. I guess he is a versatile option, maybe Pearson will like him playing different roles depending on who is unavailable. Agree, he’s not really a winger, maybe right/left of a front 3? If not up top. But whatever, it will be great to have him back. Brings energy, bit of pace, movement & a desire that I think we have missed at certain points this season. COYR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted March 3, 2021 Report Share Posted March 3, 2021 Weimann has been our biggest miss. Without him opposition players had way to much of time to find a pass from midfield and did. A lot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted March 3, 2021 Report Share Posted March 3, 2021 2 hours ago, Davefevs said: Think we need to wait and see the make up of a true Pearson team first. If we take second half on Saturday, I could easily see him in one of a few of those “midfield” roles. Personally I think his positioning will be slightly different under Pearson, at least if we keep the current formation. I was skeptical about him in midfield under Holden but, especially once he got injured, it became clear how pivotal his role as a midfielder was to Holden's entire system. We never replaced that energy and running in the middle of the park and had to change formation completely to start (briefly, before more injuries) getting results again in a 4-3-3. I think a deeper lying interceptor and a deeper lying ball player (e.g. Nagy and Bakinson) are key to what we've done the last two games. The third midfielder has been a creative player and, whilst the work rate is important all three roles, I don't think the system has the same need for a box to box player that Weimann was fulfilling under Holden. My gut feeling is Weimann's running is going to be more crucial up front. I'd not be surprised to see Weimann and Wells as a starting forward combo next season... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wendyredredrobin Posted March 3, 2021 Report Share Posted March 3, 2021 It's no coincidence that we started turning to shite just after Andi got injured. Whilst he is not perfect, having him in the team can be like having 12 men on the pitch at times. He gets through so much work though, there might be a case for subbing him off for the last 20 mins or so when you can see he is completely knackered. He covers so much ground between attack and defence that he's probably wasted up front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted March 3, 2021 Report Share Posted March 3, 2021 1 minute ago, wendyredredrobin said: It's no coincidence that we started turning to shite just after Andi got injured. Whilst he is not perfect, having him in the team can be like having 12 men on the pitch at times. He gets through so much work though, there might be a case for subbing him off for the last 20 mins or so when you can see he is completely knackered. He covers so much ground between attack and defence that he's probably wasted up front. Quite simply he is a bloody good player, intelligent, hard working, etc. Can lack a bit of composure at times, but if he had that he wouldn’t be playing for us / in the champ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tin Posted March 3, 2021 Report Share Posted March 3, 2021 20 hours ago, mozo said: Interesting that Weimann got high praise from Pearson in the press conference. He said summat like Weimann is his type of player; hardworking, team player etc. Doesn't expect the Ostrich - sorry, Austrian - to be fit this season, but quite an endorsement with the contract situation being what it is. I bet Pearson didn't play him in central midfield when they were both at Derby, either. If he stay, hopefully he's seen as an attacker only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted March 3, 2021 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2021 I'm not 100% sold on Weimann as a guaranteed starter but without him our pressing seems really disorganised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fammyfan Posted March 3, 2021 Report Share Posted March 3, 2021 I really liked having him in that midfield role. With his workrate and making the runs he’s capable of. We’ve really missed him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tin Posted March 3, 2021 Report Share Posted March 3, 2021 43 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Quite simply he is a bloody good player, intelligent, hard working, etc. Can lack a bit of composure at times, but if he had that he wouldn’t be playing for us / in the champ. Question, Dave: Would you rather him pressing from an attacking position or from central midfield, in which case he'd be selected over more specialist midfielders? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted March 3, 2021 Report Share Posted March 3, 2021 3 minutes ago, tin said: Question, Dave: Would you rather him pressing from an attacking position or from central midfield, in which case he'd be selected over more specialist midfielders? I’ve become less and less worried about “positions” and “formations” over a long period now (you’d never have guessed ) that I probably don’t see it being so defined. But in terms of your question, I think he could do either, and give you good versatility in your squad. If we went with a one-true-striker system (4231, 4141, 433, etc), then having Weimann as someone who could play up front or in a deeper role would be an asset. I’d like to see him up front without Fam at some point. Same with Wells, I’d like to see him play as the main man. I like pace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted March 3, 2021 Report Share Posted March 3, 2021 1 minute ago, JonDolman said: Yep for me going on his performances with us that midfield role is where he's performed best imo I still look back on his first 6 games here, and as per my reply above, think he’s very capable as the main striker. In 18/19 we saw Pato in the no 10 and Matty Taylor in the second striker roles....but Weimann the main man...as he scored 6 in 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted March 3, 2021 Report Share Posted March 3, 2021 1 minute ago, JonDolman said: Personally I much prefer him alongside a main striker. I think him and Taylor looked stylistically right though I don't think it would really have pushed us on. But good to see them both press well and have good work rate. Weimann and Fam was awful. Obviously Weimann and Afobe looked the best we've seen so far. To be fair, Fam with most of his strike partners looks pretty awful. Much better as a lone frontman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthS22 Posted March 3, 2021 Report Share Posted March 3, 2021 I'm going against the grain on this one and I wonder if there might be an element of rose tinted specs here. I don't rate him. And especially not in that midfield role. Yes, he has great energy and his work off the ball is excellent and he does sometimes provide a good outlet for a forward pass becasuse he'll run with it. But often as not, that run is down a blind alley and he ends up losing the ball. For me, as a midfield player you need to be able to pass, and that I don't think he can do very well, certainly not on a consistent basis. I'd like to see some pass stats but the number of times I've been frustrated with him for giving the ball away is what sticks in my mind. The trouble is, he's not a great striker either becuase while he does score some goals, again more often than not he misses, sometimes real sitters. I don't know what his average is but it ain't great. So, he kind of falls between two positions, and excels in neither. I do hope he gets a new contract because he's a useful utility player, and can bring real energy from the bench, but he's not one for the starting line up for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tin Posted March 3, 2021 Report Share Posted March 3, 2021 31 minutes ago, Davefevs said: I’ve become less and less worried about “positions” and “formations” over a long period now (you’d never have guessed ) that I probably don’t see it being so defined. But in terms of your question, I think he could do either, and give you good versatility in your squad. If we went with a one-true-striker system (4231, 4141, 433, etc), then having Weimann as someone who could play up front or in a deeper role would be an asset. I’d like to see him up front without Fam at some point. Same with Wells, I’d like to see him play as the main man. I like pace. Good points. I believe defending starts from the front and Weimann was originally brought in to fill Bobby Reid's boots in terms of pressing from the front. While he's not as prolific as Reid was, I'd much prefer he plays further forward if he stays. We've got plenty of good options in midfield, and he's not one of them IMO. Mind you, he might have lost a yard of pace as a result of the ACL injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted March 3, 2021 Report Share Posted March 3, 2021 21 minutes ago, JonDolman said: Personally I much prefer him alongside a main striker. I think him and Taylor looked stylistically right though I don't think it would really have pushed us on. But good to see them both press well and have good work rate. Weimann and Fam was awful. Obviously Weimann and Afobe looked the best we've seen so far. When you say you prefer Weimann alongside a main striker, do you mean that Weimann isn’t the main striker, like with Fam...which you say is awful. As for his partnership with Taylor, I saw that very much as Weimann the main striker, the most advanced, often on the shoulder...with Taylor drifting between the forward and midfield lines. I didn’t see Taylor as a “fellow striker” even if websites described it as 442. I would never describe Taylor as a “main striker” in that combo. In the partnership with Afobe, I saw much more equality, neither playing second fiddle to the other. The beauty of their partnership is that when one ran the channel, the other made sure they headed for the box, when one came short, the other went long, etc. Did you see Weimann with each of Taylor, Afobe and Fam differently? No probs if you do, just trying to gauge your angle on how you saw him? Might just be our different use of terminology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon79 Posted March 3, 2021 Report Share Posted March 3, 2021 56 minutes ago, SouthS22 said: I'm going against the grain on this one and I wonder if there might be an element of rose tinted specs here. I don't rate him. And especially not in that midfield role. Yes, he has great energy and his work off the ball is excellent and he does sometimes provide a good outlet for a forward pass becasuse he'll run with it. But often as not, that run is down a blind alley and he ends up losing the ball. For me, as a midfield player you need to be able to pass, and that I don't think he can do very well, certainly not on a consistent basis. I'd like to see some pass stats but the number of times I've been frustrated with him for giving the ball away is what sticks in my mind. The trouble is, he's not a great striker either becuase while he does score some goals, again more often than not he misses, sometimes real sitters. I don't know what his average is but it ain't great. So, he kind of falls between two positions, and excels in neither. I do hope he gets a new contract because he's a useful utility player, and can bring real energy from the bench, but he's not one for the starting line up for me. I think that’s a fair opinion, his career upto now probably backs that statement up. He’s played in various roles at different clubs, so again, backs that up. For me, he’s the sort of player that does well when he hasn’t got too much time to think. Where as a midfielder should have a picture in his head before he’s received the ball. Definitely not a central midfield player for me, although I accept that he gives you energy, pace & a real work ethic. You talk about giving the ball away reminds me of when I played, people would harp on about how hard a certain player would work or how well he could tackle etc etc & I use to think to myself, just as well, cause he keeps giving the bloody ball away! Definitely will be good to have him back, but further forward. COYR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted March 3, 2021 Report Share Posted March 3, 2021 7 minutes ago, JonDolman said: I think in each partnership Weimann is doing a lot of work running wide from central areas. I never really seen him holding it up with his back to goal much. I think ideally he needs someone else alongside him who can be the main striker who will hold it up or look to get in behind like Afobe who has pace and physical strength. When Weimann was on his own up top away at WBA he ran wide right all first half and we would have no one up front. No doubt a a weird tactical mistake there by LJ. But looking at Swansea at home with Weimann and Szmodics, we pressed well, but we just had no real threat up top with no proper striker up there and Fam was brought on before half time because of that. It's not a criticism of Weimann. I just think he has some clear strengths up top that work best with the right partner. Wells alongside him would probably be the best type for him from what we currently have imo. Got you, ta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old_eastender Posted March 3, 2021 Report Share Posted March 3, 2021 hmmm, torn on this one. If he will sign a new contract at a reduced salary then can see he would be useful to us perhaps up front alongside Wells. If he wants to keep the money he has been on, I think we can do better provided that new players are down to NP staying and not down to MA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjd Posted March 3, 2021 Report Share Posted March 3, 2021 I like andi Weimann for his effort , so hope to see him back in the team . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kempson Posted March 3, 2021 Report Share Posted March 3, 2021 6 hours ago, OneTeamInBristol said: Weimann is an important player for us when fit. Wherever he's played his energy levels are the best we've had in years and in my opinion he's the cleverest player (in footballing terms) that we have at the club. Bit harsh on Nagy in regards to energy levels, I honestly dont know which one could run for longer. Could you imagine these two on the first day back in pre season, vs say Tomlin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted March 4, 2021 Report Share Posted March 4, 2021 23 hours ago, JonDolman said: Yeah true Nagy has amazing work rate. Doesn't stop sprinting around I`d pay good money to see a `last man standing` competition between him, Andi Weimann and Bobby Reid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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