2015 Posted March 27, 2021 Report Share Posted March 27, 2021 24 minutes ago, JonDolman said: Even as a fan I don't know what our historical identity is! I'm sick of reading all the identity, DNA , not at my club rubbish! You'd think we were Barcelona or Manchester United.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted March 27, 2021 Report Share Posted March 27, 2021 3 hours ago, Prinny said: When the fun stops, stop. Supporting Danny Simpson, isn't fun for me. I won't get entertainment from cheering on a convicted abuser. Therefore there's no point in me investing time and money and emotional capital into an entertainment company that no longer entertains. I will not be following City anymore. @Davefevs, @Septic Peg, @havanatopia, over to you on match days again..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted March 27, 2021 Report Share Posted March 27, 2021 16 minutes ago, Numero Uno said: I noticed you reacted to my reply. To claim that domestic abuse is not complex shows a significant lack of knowledge around the subject. I won’t bore you with paragraphs of the stuff but for starters knocking your other half around is only one of MANY methods of control used by perpetrators. It’s very simple to say don’t knock your missus black and blue, simples. Of course very correct but if only it was that simple. Another comment you hear is “the Partner should leave, simples”. You could write dozens of books on: 1) Why leaving is not as simple as it sounds 2) Why abused people have a hugely higher probability of stumbling into further abusive relationships Simple it certainly isn’t. Btw, out of interest, woman on woman abuse in Lesbian relationships either is or certainly was the relationship type with statistically the highest levels of abuse....... Think we are talking at crossed purposes. I agree with everything you say on this reply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted March 27, 2021 Report Share Posted March 27, 2021 9 minutes ago, italian dave said: @Davefevs, @Septic Peg, @havanatopia, over to you on match days again..... Thank ****, no more polls on match day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiltshire robin Posted March 27, 2021 Report Share Posted March 27, 2021 28 minutes ago, Davefevs said: I’m more interested in our playing identity, no idea what that is / was Imho, bloke sounded like a complete bellend over this at the time / afterwards. Whether he’s learned from his mistake and no longer acts like a bellend I don’t know. I kinda like your second sentence. Imagine he’d turned up in a Lada (sorry OTIB Lada drivers), they’d all accuse him of taking the piss wouldn’t they. Overall, really delicate subject. Very delicate subject but as the women involved has come out and said he should be judged as a person he is now and not 6 years ago he deserves a chance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy1968 Posted March 27, 2021 Report Share Posted March 27, 2021 17 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Thank ****, no more polls on match day! Now that it's in, maybe you should put taking it away to a poll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted March 27, 2021 Report Share Posted March 27, 2021 13 hours ago, Bobbie said: I wonder if you’d be saying that if he slapped up your daughter Typical of someone posting without the facts. I’m certainly not condoning domestic abuse but now the woman involved has come out to support DS on social media & say the press lied about the incident , are you going to change your opinion ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted March 27, 2021 Report Share Posted March 27, 2021 20 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Thank ****, no more polls on match day! No more overuse of exclamation marks!! No more overly deep diving debates on fairly trivial issues!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveybadger Posted March 27, 2021 Report Share Posted March 27, 2021 3 minutes ago, steviestevieneville said: Typical of someone posting without the facts. I’m certainly not condoning domestic abuse but now the woman involved has come out to support DS on social media & say the press lied about the incident , are you going to change your opinion ? Tbf the prosecution was brought by the police who witnessed it happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petehinton Posted March 27, 2021 Report Share Posted March 27, 2021 6 minutes ago, steviestevieneville said: Typical of someone posting without the facts. I’m certainly not condoning domestic abuse but now the woman involved has come out to support DS on social media & say the press lied about the incident , are you going to change your opinion ? She says the press lies but then also posted stuff like the below. Something doesn’t quite add up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted March 27, 2021 Report Share Posted March 27, 2021 This is the woman involved . As I’ve said I certainly don’t condone domestic abuse & think the men that do it are cowards. What I like to do though is not jump on the bandwagon & condemn someone before knowing the facts unlike some saints on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted March 27, 2021 Report Share Posted March 27, 2021 4 minutes ago, Wiltshire robin said: Very delicate subject but as the women involved has come out and said he should be judged as a person he is now and not 6 years ago he deserves a chance One of the problems is people tend to read things in the media these days and repeat them as absolute fact, forgetting the media only ever prints stuff to suit it's own agenda. You only have to look at the number of times people spout stuff on here as fact and then the real facts come out and they are somewhat different. The facts that I am aware of are: Danny Simpson was convicted in 2015 and people have their opinions on that, rightly so. Then a lot of stuff was printed in the media which, like it or not, justified or not, was designed to portray a footballer in a certain way compared to the rest of the population. How much of that was plain, straight fact, how much was the media bending the truth to fit a narrative and how many facts the media concealed because they didn't fit the agenda of the story we will simply never know. Danny Simpson seemingly has never made a PUBLIC APOLOGY or shown REMORSE PUBLICALLY. That doesn't mean no apology or remorse has been shown (a more public apology and possibly a donation to an appropriate organisation would have been the way to go imo - "I've messed up, I'll do the punishment, I'll get help, I'll sort myself out" is good enough for all but the most pious/virtuous of people, you can't please all whatever you do). Danny Simpson and the victim of the abuse would seem to be in a more healthy relationship 6 years after the abuse took place judging by his partner's comments on social media and she, by her comments, is pleased that he has a job with us. This really isn't as straightforward as some make out. The only clear thing in all this is that what Simpson did was wrong and reprehensible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted March 27, 2021 Report Share Posted March 27, 2021 5 minutes ago, petehinton said: She says the press lies but then also posted stuff like the below. Something doesn’t quite add up But you & others come across as you know the full facts when in truth you know **** all . As I’ve said , I’m not condoning domestic abuse at any level but I can’t stand people getting on their high horse about a incident they know nothing about . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petehinton Posted March 27, 2021 Report Share Posted March 27, 2021 Just now, steviestevieneville said: But you & others come across as you know the full facts when in truth you know **** all . As I’ve said , I’m not condoning domestic abuse at any level but I can’t stand people getting on their high horse about a incident they know nothing about . Don’t think anyone has ever claimed to know the full facts pal, think people have just posted a lot of decent arguments both way. Is posting tweets she’s posted about things that happened claiming to know the full facts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted March 27, 2021 Report Share Posted March 27, 2021 2 minutes ago, steviestevieneville said: But you & others come across as you know the full facts when in truth you know **** all . As I’ve said , I’m not condoning domestic abuse at any level but I can’t stand people getting on their high horse about a incident they know nothing about . People who come across as being somewhat morally superior to everyone else when what you are describing is behaviour that is morally corrupt (i.e. condemnation without facts). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted March 27, 2021 Report Share Posted March 27, 2021 Just now, petehinton said: Don’t think anyone has ever claimed to know the full facts pal, think people have just posted a lot of decent arguments both way. Is posting tweets she’s posted about things that happened claiming to know the full facts? No it’s not but she was involved so knows a lot more than any of us . Plenty of experts on here calling the club a disgrace for signing him without knowing the facts. I personally haven’t given my opinion on it because guess what . I DON’T KNOW THE FACTS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted March 27, 2021 Report Share Posted March 27, 2021 15 minutes ago, steveybadger said: Tbf the prosecution was brought by the police who witnessed it happening. The fact that he committed the crime and was convicted is known fact. You can't argue with that and it is behaviour that is very poor. If I was sentencing he would have got some bird but there you go. However, the remainder of what has been reported since has been media driven and personally I think that makes any comment barely worth the paper it is written on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted March 27, 2021 Report Share Posted March 27, 2021 3 hours ago, pl00peh91 said: Honestly in my view taking such a morally absolute position on this, to the point of deciding not to follow the club anymore, is baffling. Not only has he served his conviction the woman involved in the incident has literally told the world not to pass judgement on the man he was six years ago and saying how proud she is of him, and how much his daughter has enjoyed training with him recently. Why some feel the need the play judge, jury and executioner on complex matters as these I will never know. I’m finding the liberal left cancel culture ideology is reminiscent of the moral absolutism you find on the front pages of the right wing tabloid newspapers such as the News of the World. It’s based on sweeping moral judgements without knowledge of all of the facts and it’s stopped people from being able to look at each individual on a case by case basis. It's pretty tabloid of you to reduce this complex moral issue to 'liberal left cancel culture' I'll bet you there are tons of City fans that are in no way left or liberal that feel strongly that players convicted of this crime shouldn't be recruited, on principle. I agree though that it's complex. Not an easy case to judge but our own judgements are surely valid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted March 27, 2021 Report Share Posted March 27, 2021 28 minutes ago, steviestevieneville said: No it’s not but she was involved so knows a lot more than any of us . Plenty of experts on here calling the club a disgrace for signing him without knowing the facts. I personally haven’t given my opinion on it because guess what . I DON’T KNOW THE FACTS Quite right Stevie. Too many are ready to condemn others having heard just one side of the story. The guy delivering on the pitch is all that matters and Big Nige knows what Simpson is capable of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted March 27, 2021 Report Share Posted March 27, 2021 Imagine what OTIB. would be looking like if the bloke had signed for the Gas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted March 27, 2021 Report Share Posted March 27, 2021 1 minute ago, Robbored said: Quite right Stevie. Too many are ready to condemn others having heard just one side of the story. The guy delivering on the pitch is all that matters and Big Nige knows what Simpson is capable of. It’s like, not one person on here has ever made a mistake . I’ll say again , I’m certainly not condoning domestic abuse . But I bet everyone of the self righteous on here have broken the law in some shape or form but stand in judgement like their shit don’t stink . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted March 27, 2021 Report Share Posted March 27, 2021 8 minutes ago, RalphMilnesLeftFoot said: throttling your partner around the neck and being pulled off them by police officers is not a mistake. Down playing Dv is poor as is using the Dv victims tweets. Way to retrigger. Really angers me that we've signed him and that our fans are utterly dismissive of it. Way to downplay a very serious incident. Not like you to get offended by everything though is it. If you’d like to point out where I’ve down played anything let me know . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southport Red Posted March 27, 2021 Report Share Posted March 27, 2021 10 minutes ago, RalphMilnesLeftFoot said: throttling your partner around the neck and being pulled off them by police officers is not a mistake. Down playing Dv is poor as is using the Dv victims tweets. Way to retrigger. Really angers me that we've signed him and that our fans are utterly dismissive of it. Way to downplay a very serious incident. Understand your point of view Ralph. Domestic Violence is of course a very serious issue. However, using the victim’s tweets is not irrelevant. She tweeted to congratulate him and in the same thread said something like “there were just two us us there, we are the only ones who know the truth” (I’m paraphrasing, but that was the gist). That is a significant intervention seeing as how no one was making her tweet anything. Also, the law says you offend, you serve your sentence and then the slate is wiped clean. I am not defending DS or Domestic abuse, but the law says he is free to earn his living. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted March 27, 2021 Report Share Posted March 27, 2021 39 minutes ago, Robbored said: Quite right Stevie. Too many are ready to condemn others having heard just one side of the story. The guy delivering on the pitch is all that matters and Big Nige knows what Simpson is capable of. It really isn’t “all that matters” it is actually the least important thing here. As for “one side of the story”, it is the criminal conviction that is far more important here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted March 27, 2021 Report Share Posted March 27, 2021 Really poor decision to employ this scumbag. Shameful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted March 27, 2021 Report Share Posted March 27, 2021 12 minutes ago, RalphMilnesLeftFoot said: Sure your post called it a 'mistake' Being tried and convicted of DV is not a mistake. Glad I could be of help So if it wasn’t a mistake then you’re suggesting it was premeditated are you ? I’ve constantly said i would never condone domestic violence which you conveniently ignore . So, once again I’ll ask you . Where have I down played it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted March 27, 2021 Report Share Posted March 27, 2021 I hate international weekends too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted March 27, 2021 Report Share Posted March 27, 2021 1 minute ago, RalphMilnesLeftFoot said: I'm sorry, that your post seems so angry and bent out of shape. Also the framing of either or in this case is disingenious. Please do read up on DV and stuff, who knows may help spot signs in someone you know and help. No anger here mr self righteous and my answers are not bent out of shape at all. I haven’t personally given a opinion on the incident because like you I don’t know the facts of the situation at the time but I’m also certainly not condoning any act of domestic violence. Answer the question. WHERE HAVE I DOWN PLAYED IT . I’m just calling out the self righteous like yourself , mr my shit don’t stink . Lambasting a man you don’t know because you get offended by everything . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlastonburyRed Posted March 27, 2021 Report Share Posted March 27, 2021 Worth recognising that being both objective & accessing 'the facts' was the preserve of the court. Difficult for anoyone else, however well meaning, to tick both the impartiality & fact-finding boxes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted March 27, 2021 Report Share Posted March 27, 2021 23 minutes ago, RalphMilnesLeftFoot said: No anger, but a misgendering and use of capitals in your post (shouting) as well as a diatribe and some gaslighting suggests otherwise. Back on topic yeah, really not happy with this signing. It’s in capitals so you don’t swerve the question again . Which you still haven’t answered & are ignoring because I’ve backed you into a corner over it. So come on Mr righteous . Answer the question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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