Unan Posted March 30, 2021 Report Share Posted March 30, 2021 https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/56573883 Our footballing state is being consumed by capitalist culture. It's something that's happened to almost every other country already, we've just rode the luck of having such a strong supporting setup we've seen it last. We didn't complain when every other countries teams got ruined due to bringing all the talent here, so I don't think we can complain when the top teams get and taken away from us. Honestly, I don't really care about it. If it goes to the extremes that it seems to be, Super Leagues etc, then I will view the top teams as being dead to me. It will be a shame that I've lost the ability to watch Liverpool, Arsenal, Man City etc, but in my mind they will be gone, they're no longer part of English football, so it'll be the same difference as if they all folded. The leagues will become fairer, more competitive & probably a lot more enjoyable. We'll lose some top talent for sure, but that doesn't matter. Humans are very good at adjusting to their current surroundings and forgetting what came before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_BCFC Posted March 30, 2021 Report Share Posted March 30, 2021 I guess one thing the top clubs could do is make the Carling Carabao Coca-Cola League Cup essentially U23's for themselves - which of course would devalue the competition for the opening rounds. But it is already a cup many don't care about so not a big issue? It will make it a bit like the Johnstone's Paint Auto Windscreens LDV vans cup is now which hasn't gone down well but seeing as it is a lesser competition is it just about acceptable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greedo Posted March 30, 2021 Report Share Posted March 30, 2021 This explains the proposed format pretty well. Seems a load of codswallop to me. Being able to luck out with easier fixtures & still be ranked in the same table is plain wrong. All for the extra TV cash, of course. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/03/29/sports/soccer/champions-league-new-format.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted March 30, 2021 Report Share Posted March 30, 2021 Meeting to approve is now off apparently, seemingly the clubs want to own the competition and UEFA has told them to do one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted March 30, 2021 Report Share Posted March 30, 2021 And uncancelled.... if thats a thing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WessexPest Posted March 30, 2021 Report Share Posted March 30, 2021 Just another example of the “more is more” ethos adhered to by UEFA and FIFA that just continually waters down the product to the point where the quality on offer resembles a liquid that...isn’t water. The CL had been an ever-changing experiment since its 1992 inception but the current format has had a fair bit of stability because it actually worked pretty well. Just like the WC, 8 groups of 4, 16 advance and then knockout to the final. The only good consequence of this travesty might be the end of the EFL Cup - no need for two domestic knockout tournaments, as the League Cup was created when the calendar was way less crowded than it is today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted March 30, 2021 Report Share Posted March 30, 2021 10 minutes ago, WessexPest said: Just another example of the “more is more” ethos adhered to by UEFA and FIFA that just continually waters down the product to the point where the quality on offer resembles a liquid that...isn’t water. The CL had been an ever-changing experiment since its 1992 inception but the current format has had a fair bit of stability because it actually worked pretty well. Just like the WC, 8 groups of 4, 16 advance and then knockout to the final. The only good consequence of this travesty might be the end of the EFL Cup - no need for two domestic knockout tournaments, as the League Cup was created when the calendar was way less crowded than it is today. I'd like teams playing in Europe to be removed from the EFL cup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midred Posted March 30, 2021 Report Share Posted March 30, 2021 13 minutes ago, Lrrr said: I'd like teams playing in Europe to be removed from the EFL cup Always wondered why Pl teams play in a cup run by an organisation that they're not part of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddoh Posted March 30, 2021 Report Share Posted March 30, 2021 7 hours ago, Midred said: Always wondered why Pl teams play in a cup run by an organisation that they're not part of? Money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoystonFoote'snephew Posted March 31, 2021 Report Share Posted March 31, 2021 Do I care anymore. I stopped watching the so-called Champions League years ago. UEFA exists to satisfy the needs of the big 12 (Man Utd, Man City, Liverpool, Chelsea, PSG, Bayern Munich, Barcelona, Real Madrid, Juventus, AC Milan, International of Milan and Roma). They are embarrassed if any of the 12 don't qualify for the latter stages of competitions or if any other team gate crashes the party. The whole draw process is corrupt with champions of nations having to go through qualifying rounds while also rans or champions of sod all from favoured nations get straight to the lucrative stages of the competitions. UEFA are not alone in this of course. The confederations love making things needlessly complicated. Try working out the World Cup qualification for each of the confederations and if you manage them all send off your application to MENSA right away. The Champions League should be exactly that, the 50 plus champions of each league affiliated to UEFA, made up to 64 by teams determined by points per game average across the leagues in Europe. 64 teams drawn without seeding into 8 groups of 4 with only the top team in each group progressing to the quarter finals. The rest having failed are out of Europe and are not given some stupid dogs chance to enter the Europa League. World Cup qualification similar. Determine the number of groups and teams in each one needed and draw without seeding or use of the bloody ludicrous FIFA rankings into those groups. Top teams only to qualify. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Geoff Posted March 31, 2021 Report Share Posted March 31, 2021 2 minutes ago, RoystonFoote'snephew said: Do I care anymore. I stopped watching the so-called Champions League years ago. UEFA exists to satisfy the needs of the big 12 (Man Utd, Man City, Liverpool, Chelsea, PSG, Bayern Munich, Barcelona, Real Madrid, Juventus, AC Milan, International of Milan and Roma). They are embarrassed if any of the 12 don't qualify for the latter stages of competitions or if any other team gate crashes the party. The whole draw process is corrupt with champions of nations having to go through qualifying rounds while also rans or champions of sod all from favoured nations get straight to the lucrative stages of the competitions. UEFA are not alone in this of course. The confederations love making things needlessly complicated. Try working out the World Cup qualification for each of the confederations and if you manage them all send off your application to MENSA right away. The Champions League should be exactly that, the 50 plus champions of each league affiliated to UEFA, made up to 64 by teams determined by points per game average across the leagues in Europe. 64 teams drawn without seeding into 8 groups of 4 with only the top team in each group progressing to the quarter finals. The rest having failed are out of Europe and are not given some stupid dogs chance to enter the Europa League. World Cup qualification similar. Determine the number of groups and teams in each one needed and draw without seeding or use of the bloody ludicrous FIFA rankings into those groups. Top teams only to qualify. I couldn’t agree more. Seedlings are a joke and guarantees the best sides go through every year to the ko stages. I only start watching at the QF stage when there is a bit more jeopardy. When the new format starts that will be one less subscription as I will switch it off forever. No seedlings can work against a country .... remember Forest and Liverpool being drawn in the First round many moons ago ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard Posted March 31, 2021 Report Share Posted March 31, 2021 1 hour ago, RoystonFoote'snephew said: Do I care anymore. I stopped watching the so-called Champions League years ago. UEFA exists to satisfy the needs of the big 12 (Man Utd, Man City, Liverpool, Chelsea, PSG, Bayern Munich, Barcelona, Real Madrid, Juventus, AC Milan, International of Milan and Roma). They are embarrassed if any of the 12 don't qualify for the latter stages of competitions or if any other team gate crashes the party. The whole draw process is corrupt with champions of nations having to go through qualifying rounds while also rans or champions of sod all from favoured nations get straight to the lucrative stages of the competitions. UEFA are not alone in this of course. The confederations love making things needlessly complicated. Try working out the World Cup qualification for each of the confederations and if you manage them all send off your application to MENSA right away. The Champions League should be exactly that, the 50 plus champions of each league affiliated to UEFA, made up to 64 by teams determined by points per game average across the leagues in Europe. 64 teams drawn without seeding into 8 groups of 4 with only the top team in each group progressing to the quarter finals. The rest having failed are out of Europe and are not given some stupid dogs chance to enter the Europa League. World Cup qualification similar. Determine the number of groups and teams in each one needed and draw without seeding or use of the bloody ludicrous FIFA rankings into those groups. Top teams only to qualify. Your maths needs a bit of work there Royston Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoystonFoote'snephew Posted March 31, 2021 Report Share Posted March 31, 2021 8 minutes ago, The Bard said: Your maths needs a bit of work there Royston My bad. Alright 16 groups of 4 gives you last 16. Straight draws thereafter with no seedings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted April 16, 2021 Report Share Posted April 16, 2021 This is positive- wonder if it will make any difference though? https://theathletic.com/news/champions-league-reform-fan-groups/BOTKNDML9XhJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
054123 Posted April 16, 2021 Report Share Posted April 16, 2021 Hell in a hand cart. It makes me bitter and angry the entitlement with which some clubs in this country bestow on themselves. Does anyone know if supporter groups from the English clubs signed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midlands Robin Posted April 16, 2021 Report Share Posted April 16, 2021 57 minutes ago, 054123 said: Does anyone know if supporter groups from the English clubs signed? Looking at the article in the link, I think Arsenal's supporters did. If it's based on past merits then surely the two time winners Nottingham Forest must be over the moon about being able to return to top-flight European competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted April 16, 2021 Report Share Posted April 16, 2021 It’s all to enhance the financial benefits of all involved. The various franchises bidding for the catering contracts. The TV rights.....Its all so transparent. My simple take on it is why fix it if it’s not broken? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maltshoveller Posted April 16, 2021 Report Share Posted April 16, 2021 Cant believe the big clubs want this!! For years they have moaned about playing to many games We all know what they really mean is To many games against little clubs like Bury where we are not making tons of money They would play 80 games a season if it was against the likes of Madrid Barca Munich and Juventus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted April 16, 2021 Report Share Posted April 16, 2021 24 minutes ago, Maltshoveller said: Cant believe the big clubs want this!! For years they have moaned about playing to many games We all know what they really mean is To many games against little clubs like Bury where we are not making tons of money They would play 80 games a season if it was against the likes of Madrid Barca Munich and Juventus and ideally play them in the Far East and the USA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevedon Red Posted April 16, 2021 Report Share Posted April 16, 2021 1 hour ago, Robbored said: It’s all to enhance the financial benefits of all involved. The various franchises bidding for the catering contracts. The TV rights.....Its all so transparent. My simple take on it is why fix it if it’s not broken? As you allude it’s pure greed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted April 16, 2021 Report Share Posted April 16, 2021 It'll make a welcome change. See how the 'big 6' fans like when they are away.. Who do you support? Bristol City. Who are your Premier League team? What? No. Don't have one. This will be replaced with... 'So, European Super-League fan, eh... What domestic club do you follow, you surely can't afford to do every game..?' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RivieraRed Posted April 16, 2021 Report Share Posted April 16, 2021 who cares..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityfan1958 Posted April 16, 2021 Report Share Posted April 16, 2021 In the end it’s this greed that will kill the game. The top clubs ensuring they win everything all the time, and no one else is ever allowed to gatecrash their little earner. What it is saying to every fan of every club out the top 16 or so in Europe is stop dreaming of ever reaching one of the big finals because we will ensure you never get the chance. Removing this dream is what will in the end kill the whole sport. Once again corporate (and that’s all the big teams are) greed killing anything good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midlands Robin Posted April 16, 2021 Report Share Posted April 16, 2021 This change to the Champions League is clearly intended to be nothing more than a half way house to the European Super League. The first year will be a novelty and then it will prove so baffling and there will be so many accusations of the league being fixed, that the call will be for an end to this format and the introduction of a more transparent league system. Then, those at the top get exactly what they want but they can claim that it was at the request of supporters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted April 17, 2021 Report Share Posted April 17, 2021 It's shit for the game if it goes through. There is talk that a European Super League might be unlawful under EU law- certainly if it was a closed shop. Anyway yeah, it's terrible for the game. Few examples. Year Leicester won the League, Chelsea, Liverpool and Man United missed out on CL- indeed I believe both Chelsea and Liverpool missed out on Europe entirely- why? Because that was where they deserved to finish! AC Milan...they would be high up any prospective Super League list given 7 European Cups/CLs. Yet they haven't qualified since 2013/14 for the CL. In that time, on at least one occasion big to medium to smaller clubs- so I'd say Roma and Lazio, to Napoli and finally Atalanta have- none of those 4 are as big as AC Milan, 100%. Why? Because they were better coached and run, made more of their resources and so on- the point being there is no divine right, none whatsoever- never has been and certainly never should be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted April 17, 2021 Report Share Posted April 17, 2021 On 30/03/2021 at 15:00, Midred said: Always wondered why Pl teams play in a cup run by an organisation that they're not part of? On 30/03/2021 at 22:39, reddoh said: Money. I believe it is the EFL's biggest earner. Would have to try and find the Article and found it a bit surprising but may well be true? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
054123 Posted April 20, 2021 Report Share Posted April 20, 2021 Well after the debacle of the ESL, thank goodness the values, spirit and equity of our beautiful game will be properly embedded come 2024. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
054123 Posted April 20, 2021 Report Share Posted April 20, 2021 Just reading thorough my email from UEFA kindly explaining the new format. Despite Gary Neville’s heartfelt comments from behind a paywall, the truth is a club could have a stinker of a season like Arsenal and yet still qualify for a tournament that pay tens of millions of pounds. Doesn't seem very fair to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted April 21, 2021 Report Share Posted April 21, 2021 It's probably the lesser of two evils-doesn't make it particularly worthy in its own right though, not at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MATT BCFC Posted April 21, 2021 Report Share Posted April 21, 2021 Just makes the competition more boring really doesn't it. I like the Champions league but the group stages is by far the worst part and this is just making that even more drawn out it seems? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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