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50 minutes ago, JonDolman said:

I also feared for our championship status then too. But I thought Cotts had lost the plot and the team looked lost. Would have been very surprised if he'd managed to turn it around. He didn't seem to know how to get us to be solid and hard to score against, even though he had good defenders and defensive midfielders. He could not adapt to the championship.

Not so, I'm sure you are aware that Cotterill had already proved to be a capable Championship manager, at one stage being the longest serving manager in that league at Burnley.

The City players were still playing for him, a fantastic team spirit, and imo. we'd have been OK.

You talk as if we were cut adrift at the bottom when Cotts was unceremoniously booted out - far from it, we were 3rd from bottom, and several clubs above us could have been overtaken with 1 win.

Eminently retrievable situation for an experienced relegation fighter like Cotterill, especially with the 6 player boost to the squad LJ immediately received.  

 

 

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10 minutes ago, Johnny Musicworks said:

Likewise I’m hoping there will be some significant indications of intent. Stay or go, no sitting on the fence and no more passengers on Nigel’s bus.

Absolutely. He's been as diplomatic as you might expect any new Manager to be with regards to the club as a whole. (Contrast this with the approach taken north of the river). 

Its now quite clear to me that NP's view of how close we might be to having a squad good enough to meet our expectations, differs considerably from "that little extra push". I expect him to tear up more than a few trees, which may well upset players, staff and indeed supporters. So be it. 

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6 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

....and would you have expected achievement on that spend?

We looked lost, because he’d given up.  Cotts was a capable manager at Champ level, he’d proved it at Burnley, and unfortunately was at Forest and Portsmouth in their basket case days.  We saw what he could do in a few weeks at Birmingham (under Redknapp).  To say he could not adapt is wrong imho, it’s not to do with his managerial ability.

I blame him for giving up, but I understand why.

He should’ve walked in that summer (hindsight).  

I don't think he'd given up. Looking at him losing the plot in post match interviews showed that he was desperate to sort it out, but didn't know how to.

I just think he couldn't adapt at our club with what he had at that time. I thought he had the players to do fine but he could not make us hard to play against, which has to be an important thing for a newly promoted side who are unlikely to overwhelm it's opponents with attacking quality. 

He was able to bring in Fredericks and don't know what the true story is there but what a signing that could have been.

He let Cunningham go cheap to Preston who I think he got player of the season as they finished 11th. A worse bunch of players than ours that went up, didn't spend much, their manager manages to get them in a good position.

Instead of going something like a solid kind of 451 which Pemberton went with and LJ mainly went with, Cotts kept playing Williams left wing back. Ayling at centre back who at that time was not so strong defensively. Little at right wing back who I thought was terrible there at this level in that role, although much improved under LJ at right back. But then Cotts did go Bennett there who was one of our best players during that time. One of the few positives in that first half of the season.

Wilbs kept getting in too and I thought he was poor. Kodjia should have been up there on his own imo, and with having a few different wing options - Freeman, Bennett, Robinson (who for some reason he thought was an attacking midfielder), we could have had a nice counter attacking look to our side with a solid defensive shape in the players we had. As it was Robinson went back I guess due to lack of game time. Preston out thought us again by signing him and look what he's done since! 🤦

I don't know the true stories of the players we did not bring in. I think he was trying to sign Zac Clough wasn't he? Thank god he turned us down! Thank you Clough's old man for that!

But even with those we didn't sign we had a very capable squad imo. I know he's a fans favourite, but he underachieved in the championship for us.

I think as soon as LJ took over we saw big improvements in players performances. Having Baker and Flint as a pair really helped. And Packs improvements were massive in helping us do enough to avoid relegation.

That's not to say LJ has been great overall either. Hopefully we now have a manager we will be agreeing next season is the perfect man for us.

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5 minutes ago, Nogbad the Bad said:

Not so, I'm sure you are aware that Cotterill had already proved to be a capable Championship manager, at one stage being the longest serving manager in that league at Burnley.

The City players were still playing for him, a fantastic team spirit, and imo. we'd have been OK.

You talk as if we were cut adrift at the bottom when Cotts was unceremoniously booted out - far from it, we were 3rd from bottom, and several clubs above us could have been overtaken with 1 win.

Eminently retrievable situation for an experienced relegation fighter like Cotterill, especially with the 6 player boost to the squad LJ immediately received.  

 

 

Is true and we’d have stayed up with him if we had brought in the same players on loan. We must have shelled out loads to improve that squad to stay up. 

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1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

Cotts said at the Amphitheater that with the right players brought in the side could spring a surprise.

Yep, I spoke to Cotts that day as well.

We had a talented young team with a great spirit and and he was confident with the right additions we could shake up the Championship and seriously have a go at back to back promotions.

Those additions were already lined up.

The fact such a successful manager - popular with players and fans alike - was not backed by the club to continue the momentum gained by a glorious promotion is probably the biggest let down in all my years supporting the club.

That was our moment and the club cocked it right up afaic.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Lrrr said:

Depends what you count as achievement, for a club still with a bottom half/mid table wage spend. Outgoing spend being partially funded by income from player sales

That’s the problem, you’re just equating achievement to league position (which is what LJ / MA hoped we’d all look rather than mask what was truly happening). It’s why for two years (now three) I’ve followed the trend of the finances and the gradually decline in the quality and performance of the squad vs the outlay.  At some point results were gonna drop to match performance levels.  They did just that Feb / March last season, and bar a brief period under Holden that slide has continued.

We are now where we are.

Do you genuinely think that if you just follow league position trend, what looked like an upward one...we should be looking at a complete rebuild of the squad against a £60m cost-base?  That is a damming conclusion of 4/5 seasons “progress”!!!

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1 hour ago, Numero Uno said:

If players are playing not to get injured and secure contracts at other clubs there’s not much that can be done to resolve that.

Maybe so- if he is as good as some think then you might expect the players to respond by wanting to stay and play for him/earn a new contract.

It seems that just about everyone is at fault from the Lansdowns, the board, Mark Ashton, Lee Johnson, Dean Holden and now the entire first team bar one or two whilst NP is almost beyond reproach despite a fairly innocuous performance so far. But its very early days which is why I'd still give it until the end of the season before confirming what is likely to be a very expensive long contract with all that follows.

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2 hours ago, Numero Uno said:

Because he has a track record, experience and contacts and also because going down the Fewers route of new manager every dozen games is proven not to work and will leave the club in an unsustainable position pretty quickly.

Sl confirmed also that we are bringing in new investors. Going through the options to find the right people. 

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18 hours ago, Phileas Fogg said:

I am trying to attack the post and not the poster.. but this is such a stupid and vapid comment. Pearson has inherited a very poor and weak squad. Holden had a transfer window remember. 

There's plenty of quality in that squad. No one was complaining about the personnel in the team when we were comfortably beating Boro and Birmingham

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47 minutes ago, Marina's Rolls Royce said:

Maybe so- if he is as good as some think then you might expect the players to respond by wanting to stay and play for him/earn a new contract.

It seems that just about everyone is at fault from the Lansdowns, the board, Mark Ashton, Lee Johnson, Dean Holden and now the entire first team bar one or two whilst NP is almost beyond reproach despite a fairly innocuous performance so far. But its very early days which is why I'd still give it until the end of the season before confirming what is likely to be a very expensive long contract with all that follows.

End of the season is fine whether it’s Pearson (I would sign him up all day long personally) or A N Other. Leave it much longer faffing around like we did last pre-season and we will get relegated next season due to the time we will lose on recruitment........100% cast iron certainty with the squad we have in my view.

8 minutes ago, AshtonGreat said:

There's plenty of quality in that squad. No one was complaining about the personnel in the team when we were comfortably beating Boro and Birmingham

How can a squad that can only play on the counter attack have plenty of quality?

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2 hours ago, Davefevs said:

Apart from now start leaving them out.  The dangling carrot has hopefully been withdrawn.  I’m looking forward to Monday’s team selection.

Yes, agreed. I think NP was hoping the players he picked would have got us to the 52 point mark by now. However, looking at the fixtures it would take a crazy set of results for us to be in any kind of trouble now, even if we lost all 7 games, so it probably is time to bomb a few out. He might wait a couple more games though until we do get over that 50 point barrier.

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1 hour ago, Marina's Rolls Royce said:

Maybe so- if he is as good as some think then you might expect the players to respond by wanting to stay and play for him/earn a new contract.

It seems that just about everyone is at fault from the Lansdowns, the board, Mark Ashton, Lee Johnson, Dean Holden and now the entire first team bar one or two whilst NP is almost beyond reproach despite a fairly innocuous performance so far. But its very early days which is why I'd still give it until the end of the season before confirming what is likely to be a very expensive long contract with all that follows.

Why would they do that, when they don't know whether he's going to be here or not?

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20 hours ago, GTFABM said:

The thing with the “squad is poor” argument is people were saying earlier in the season this squad should be top 6 when things were going badly. Now all of a sudden it’s a poor squad. I’m not saying holden is better than pearson. All i am saying is were people not expecting more? I know i was.

It's never been a strong squad. Maybe good on paper. but not strong in character nor creativity.

A classic example is Patterson. My brother always says he's "great on his day". Problem is, his days are months apart. We have too many players like this. When they all hit their days together, we create a mirage of a team capable of promotion. And then it falls apart...

We've not had a midfield since 1932. Our last top quality striker was Andy Cole. Webster was never replaced.

My hope is that Pearson gets a 3 year deal. And then we change the model to DoF and he takes his thinking onward with a younger person to take the playing side of things forward.

The club has talked of identity for years. The only identity I can see is one of weakness. In playing staff. In the support staff. And in the medical team.

If we truly want an identity, lets get someone who actually knows what it is, recruits to it and sets it up for the next ten years.

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6 hours ago, Davefevs said:

That’s the problem, you’re just equating achievement to league position (which is what LJ / MA hoped we’d all look rather than mask what was truly happening). It’s why for two years (now three) I’ve followed the trend of the finances and the gradually decline in the quality and performance of the squad vs the outlay.  At some point results were gonna drop to match performance levels.  They did just that Feb / March last season, and bar a brief period under Holden that slide has continued.

We are now where we are.

Do you genuinely think that if you just follow league position trend, what looked like an upward one...we should be looking at a complete rebuild of the squad against a £60m cost-base?  That is a damming conclusion of 4/5 seasons “progress”!!!

I wasn't intending to equate achievement to just league position, one thing for example would have been home performances needing to improve as most on here would agree. I referenced where we were in the spending table (so to say) just to reference even with the increasing costs we were still small to medium sized fish for the division, obviously bigger wages doesn't always mean better league position as you look at Brentford, Barnsley and PL clubs who do double relegations or just avoid.

I don't think Pearson will be looking at a complete rebuild, I think he's already said he prefers to work with smaller squads so we'd have excess baggage in that case so departures are likely to far exceed incomings and I think he'll look to recruit quality in perhaps 3 or 4 places rather than 6, 7, 8 transfers of lower quality as that defeats the purpose of trying to reduce squad size.

I'm interested as to what type of player he'll look to recruit having highlighted Massengo, previously the likes of Kante and Vardy signed for him, people say busy bees as a criticism of players LJ signed but I can see us recruiting athletic players who can play a high tempo style. 

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3 minutes ago, Lrrr said:

I wasn't intending to equate achievement to just league position, one thing for example would have been home performances needing to improve as most on here would agree. I referenced where we were in the spending table (so to say) just to reference even with the increasing costs we were still small to medium sized fish for the division, obviously bigger wages doesn't always mean better league position as you look at Brentford, Barnsley and PL clubs who do double relegations or just avoid.

I don't think Pearson will be looking at a complete rebuild, I think he's already said he prefers to work with smaller squads so we'd have excess baggage in that case so departures are likely to far exceed incomings and I think he'll look to recruit quality in perhaps 3 or 4 places rather than 6, 7, 8 transfers of lower quality as that defeats the purpose of trying to reduce squad size.

I'm interested as to what type of player he'll look to recruit having highlighted Massengo, previously the likes of Kante and Vardy signed for him, people say busy bees as a criticism of players LJ signed but I can see us recruiting athletic players who can play a high tempo style. 

The stick he got over Busy Bees was not a criticism of the type of player. People had just about had enough of playing Bullshit Bingo by that point!!

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2 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

The stick he got over Busy Bees was not a criticism of the type of player. People had just about had enough of playing Bullshit Bingo by that point!!

Very much remember criticism from people saying he'd signed players who all they did was run around

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Think it’s quite telling that Korey was the last player we had of the Cotts era in the squad.
 

In his absence, we’re a team totally absent of identity, heart and desire. A squad full to overflowing of mentally and physically weak players.
 

Thanks Ashton and LJ you’ve stitched us up good and proper. You’ve had a shocker lads. 

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42 minutes ago, RedRock said:

Think it’s quite telling that Korey was the last player we had of the Cotts era in the squad.
 

In his absence, we’re a team totally absent of identity, heart and desire. A squad full to overflowing of mentally and physically weak players.
 

Thanks Ashton and LJ you’ve stitched us up good and proper. You’ve had a shocker lads. 

The churn of an entire squad from 6 years ago isn't abnormal really. Pretty standard. We'd be an outlier if even 2 of them were still about today. 

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5 hours ago, RedRock said:

Think it’s quite telling that Korey was the last player we had of the Cotts era in the squad.
 

In his absence, we’re a team totally absent of identity, heart and desire. A squad full to overflowing of mentally and physically weak players.
 

Thanks Ashton and LJ you’ve stitched us up good and proper. You’ve had a shocker lads. 

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5 hours ago, Phileas Fogg said:

The churn of an entire squad from 6 years ago isn't abnormal really. Pretty standard. We'd be an outlier if even 2 of them were still about today. 

That is true, but shows we’ve recruited DNA that is little match for the DNA of players that left.

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On 03/04/2021 at 11:17, Phileas Fogg said:

The only flaw with this is we don't know that it happened. It's essentially only a rumour. I believe it's true, but we don't and never will know the full story. Really unfortunate because assuming it is true and he was able to bring in the players identified you can see how strong the team would've been by how those players have developed. 

But again even if the story is true we will never know how those players would have developed with us.

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5 hours ago, Davefevs said:

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That is true, but shows we’ve recruited DNA that is little match for the DNA of players that left.

..and as importantly, haven’t created any semblance of a team,  just a collection of disinterested, injury-prone journeymen and promoted Academy products that, yet again, fail to step up to the plate. 

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I’m not so sure the recruitment has been so bad.  If fit (!) we would have had Bentley, Baker, Kalas and Mawson, Sess and Dasilva as a back 5.  That would be the envy of most other teams. We bought one of the leagues top strikers in Wells. It’s the players who knit it all together that we haven’t managed to sign/attract.  I can’t say I have been particularly impressed with any of the opposition players we have faced so I’m not sure there is that sort of quality about.  It’s generally a game of attrition and won by a set piece or mistake.  Most Championship games are pretty dull.

With that in mind, I think Pearson will be effective in recruiting some bigger(physically), rapid and more athletic characters but I doubt it will be pretty.   He will need a dead ball specialist and someone who can bully defenders.  We do not have the luxury of parachute payments and that is a massive difference when you have had zero matchday income for a year.  
 

If I’m honest I just want to see us fighting for every ball and getting the rub of the green because of it.  If we lose some, so be it.  If we have aspirations of going up then we need to match the spending from the parachute mob.  It’s not rocket science.

 

 

 

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30 minutes ago, Glyn Rileys Mullet said:

I’m not so sure the recruitment has been so bad.  If fit (!) we would have had Bentley, Baker, Kalas and Mawson, Sess and Dasilva as a back 5.  That would be the envy of most other teams. We bought one of the leagues top strikers in Wells. It’s the players who knit it all together that we haven’t managed to sign/attract.  I can’t say I have been particularly impressed with any of the opposition players we have faced so I’m not sure there is that sort of quality about.  It’s generally a game of attrition and won by a set piece or mistake.  Most Championship games are pretty dull.

With that in mind, I think Pearson will be effective in recruiting some bigger(physically), rapid and more athletic characters but I doubt it will be pretty.   He will need a dead ball specialist and someone who can bully defenders.  We do not have the luxury of parachute payments and that is a massive difference when you have had zero matchday income for a year.  
 

If I’m honest I just want to see us fighting for every ball and getting the rub of the green because of it.  If we lose some, so be it.  If we have aspirations of going up then we need to match the spending from the parachute mob.  It’s not rocket science.

 

 

 

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On 02/04/2021 at 20:30, Robbored said:

Just watched his post match interview.

Big Nige impresses me every time I hear him speak. Very candid, says it as he sees it with the occasional hint that he’ll be here next season. - a proper manager,  the first one since Danny Wilson.

 

https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/news-photo/sheffield-wednesday-captain-nigel-pearson-holds-the-trophy-news-photo/111508820

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