RobintheRed Red Posted April 2, 2021 Report Share Posted April 2, 2021 2 hours ago, AshtonGreat said: Pearson's not been a lot better than Holden so far tbf But hes stuck with the crap that he inherited from johnson and Ashton he wont put up with this and will weed the crap out soon . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshtonGreat Posted April 2, 2021 Report Share Posted April 2, 2021 2 minutes ago, RobintheRed Red said: But hes stuc What do you mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobintheRed Red Posted April 2, 2021 Report Share Posted April 2, 2021 1 minute ago, AshtonGreat said: What do you mean? See above Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshtonGreat Posted April 2, 2021 Report Share Posted April 2, 2021 4 minutes ago, RobintheRed Red said: But hes stuck with the crap that he inherited from johnson and Ashton he wont put up with this and will weed the crap out soon . Hope so - as long as we keep Bentley, the rest can do one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobintheRed Red Posted April 2, 2021 Report Share Posted April 2, 2021 1 minute ago, AshtonGreat said: Hope so - as long as we keep Bentley, the rest can do one Yes i agree i wouldnt be upset to see any of them go did you hear him say he wish he had ten more that put the effort Massengo puts in . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshtonGreat Posted April 2, 2021 Report Share Posted April 2, 2021 1 minute ago, RobintheRed Red said: Yes i agree i wouldnt be upset to see any of them go did you hear him say he wish he had ten more that put the effort Massengo puts in . No I didn't, but anyone who doesn't put the effort in should have their wages docked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobintheRed Red Posted April 2, 2021 Report Share Posted April 2, 2021 2 hours ago, bris red said: Pearson knows the crack, this is a team full of journeyman wasters and I doubt he would have signed even half of them. Don’t get me wrong I’m sure he backed himself to probably get a little more out of them than he has and is probably disappointed in that respect but he knows the situation, a huge amount of this dross is OOC in the summer and the stage is set perfectly for him to ship out all of the deadwood and really shape the squad full of his players and probably coaching staff aswell. Im confident given the resources in the summer he will turn things around. Yes great comment on coaching staff they have added nothing lets hope he dumps them for a start . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edgy Red Posted April 2, 2021 Report Share Posted April 2, 2021 24 minutes ago, Robbored said: SC lacked any real ‘presence’ whereas when Big Nige oozes plenty. I’d rather have NP beside me in the trenches than SC. Steve Cotterill created an incredible team spirit with a fairly small group of players. He should have been backed in the summer following promotion to The Champ and he made a huge statement when he only named 6 subs at Sheff Weds on the first game of the season. I grew up in in Cheltenham and what he achieved at Whaddon Road was nothing short of a miracle. Believe me, Steve Cotterill has a big presence in the dressing room and all of that L1 promotion winning team speak highly of him. Team spirit and togetherness goes a long way towards success and SC created a fantastic culture that we should have built on. I think Big Nige is a similar type of character to SC and i really hope he is backed in the summer otherwise we could be having similar conversations in 12 months time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted April 2, 2021 Report Share Posted April 2, 2021 25 minutes ago, GasDestroyer said: My prediction is we will be troubling the bottom 6 rather than the top 6 next season. This mess will take a few seasons to correct. What gets my goat is how Ashton was allowed to sell the top players without any plan B to replace. Don’t expect miracles next season. Ashton the snake has to go as this is his mess. Bryan - Kelly in squad and Dasilva on loan Kelly - Dasilva in permanently Flint - Webster Webster - Kalas in permanently Brownhill - Henriksen on loan, whether not good enough or used incorrectly he was replaced on short notice and more than likely would have been replaced with a permanent transfer in the summer, we'd been after Williams before can easily think we'd have gone for him again with LJ still here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted April 2, 2021 Report Share Posted April 2, 2021 35 minutes ago, Superjack said: I'd like to see you say that to Cotterill's face. I met SC several times, decent enough guy, warm and friendly enough but no presence whatsoever. Not yet met Big Nige - don’t need to to see that he has great presence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobintheRed Red Posted April 2, 2021 Report Share Posted April 2, 2021 3 minutes ago, Edgy Red said: Steve Cotterill created an incredible team spirit with a fairly small group of players. He should have been backed in the summer following promotion to The Champ and he made a huge statement when he only named 6 subs at Sheff Weds on the first game of the season. I grew up in in Cheltenham and what he achieved at Whaddon Road was nothing short of a miracle. Believe me, Steve Cotterill has a big presence in the dressing room and all of that L1 promotion winning team speak highly of him. Team spirit and togetherness goes a long way towards success and SC created a fantastic culture that we should have built on. I think Big Nige is a similar type of character to SC and i really hope he is backed in the summer otherwise we could be having similar conversations in 12 months time. Brilliant post mate totally agree with everything your saying i loved the bloke gave us some of the best football and memories that will live forever in my life he should have bern backed but lansdown wasnt ready to spend on players then and so gave johnson the money of which he bought to many players of the same likr . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intercity Posted April 2, 2021 Report Share Posted April 2, 2021 1 hour ago, Rossi the Robin said: I like how he criticises positively without throwing anyone under the bus - it’s a clever skill only the best man managers can do Count the number of times he says the word 'we.' It's telling and the sign of a leader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted April 2, 2021 Report Share Posted April 2, 2021 43 minutes ago, Robbored said: SC lacked any real ‘presence’ whereas when Big Nige oozes plenty. I’d rather have NP beside me in the trenches than SC. Big difference between comparing NP to SC though, you said you never rated SC so its not comparing the two. You're comparing a former premier league manager who started assembling a premier league winning squad vs a manager whose best season was in league one. Difference is we were a league one club when Cotts joined us and a struggling one, he showed with us and is showing with Shrewsbury he's a great league one manager. You're saying you never rated him with us after he turned us away from relegation, won the JPT trophy and won league one with 99 points? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted April 2, 2021 Report Share Posted April 2, 2021 8 minutes ago, Edgy Red said: Steve Cotterill created an incredible team spirit with a fairly small group of players. He should have been backed in the summer following promotion to The Champ and he made a huge statement when he only named 6 subs at Sheff Weds on the first game of the season. I grew up in in Cheltenham and what he achieved at Whaddon Road was nothing short of a miracle. Believe me, Steve Cotterill has a big presence in the dressing room and all of that L1 promotion winning team speak highly of him. Team spirit and togetherness goes a long way towards success and SC created a fantastic culture that we should have built on. I think Big Nige is a similar type of character to SC and i really hope he is backed in the summer otherwise we could be having similar conversations in 12 months time. Believe what you like about SC Edgy. Ive never I stood why so many posters still have these SC ‘love-ins’ The guy just never impressed me despite him getting us out of L1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobintheRed Red Posted April 2, 2021 Report Share Posted April 2, 2021 1 minute ago, RobintheRed Red said: Brilliant post mate totally agree with everything your saying i loved the bloke gave us some of the best football and memories that will live forever in my life he should have bern backed but lansdown wasnt ready to spend on players then and so gave johnson the money of which he bought to many players of the same like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superjack Posted April 2, 2021 Report Share Posted April 2, 2021 2 minutes ago, Robbored said: Believe what you like about SC Edgy. Ive never I stood why so many posters still have these SC ‘love-ins’ The guy just never impressed me despite him getting us out of L1. I heard he speaks really highly of you... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeepUpLino Posted April 2, 2021 Report Share Posted April 2, 2021 1 hour ago, AshtonGreat said: Best manager we've had in the last 40 years. Statistically he is, winning 2 out of out measly 3 trophies. I’ll stand to be corrected on this?. The most enjoyment I’ve ever had in one season that’s for dam ******* sure! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edgy Red Posted April 2, 2021 Report Share Posted April 2, 2021 1 minute ago, Robbored said: Believe what you like about SC Edgy. Ive never I stood why so many posters still have these SC ‘love-ins’ The guy just never impressed me despite him getting us out of L1. I'm probably biased towards Steve Cotterill as i met him a couple of times during football trophy presentations when i lived in Cheltenham and his passion for the game is infectious. His managerial record (granted in L1 and below) is very good and he is one of those managers that creates an "us against them" mentality in a similar way to Neil Warnock. Who knows how it would have progressed had he been backed, but it still grates me when i see the finances and time Lee Johnson was given, and i'm non anti Lee Johnson either. I just want to see the best for my club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awbb Posted April 2, 2021 Report Share Posted April 2, 2021 This has the feel of Gary Johnson’s first few games. Poor performances and results but slowly getting a handle on a squad that had clearly been living on easy street (in one way or another) during the previous long term manager (Wilson/Lee Johnson) and the following internal appointment (Tinnion/Holden). Clearly I am hopeful that he achieves something similar at a level above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerseybean Posted April 2, 2021 Report Share Posted April 2, 2021 Given a rebuild is required here are our current senior players (excluding academy players and those whose loans expire at the end of the season) . If you were NP faced with these two lists who would you look to (1) keep (2) get rid of? Out of Contract 1. Hunt 2. Adelakun 3. Rowe 4. Baker 5. Watkins 6. Lansbury (is he on loan?) 7. Diedhiou 8. Mariappa 9. Walsh 10. Paterson 11. Weimann 12. Wollacott 13. Simpson 1. Bentley 2. O’Leary 3. Dasilva 4. Nagy 5. Martin 6. O'Dowda 7. Wells 8. Massengo 9. Palmer 10. Vyner 11. Bakinson 12. Seymeno 13. Williams 14. Kalas 15. Pring 16. Moore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted April 2, 2021 Report Share Posted April 2, 2021 9 minutes ago, Superjack said: I heard he speaks really highly of you... I’m sure he does - quite right to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted April 2, 2021 Report Share Posted April 2, 2021 Whatever people's opinions of Cotterill, surely even those who don't like the bloke would agree that he's got a presence about him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superjack Posted April 2, 2021 Report Share Posted April 2, 2021 2 minutes ago, Northern Red said: Whatever people's opinions of Cotterill, surely even those who don't like the bloke would agree that he's got a presence about him? Yes. Unless they were trying to be deliberately obtuse, of course... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingswood Robin Posted April 2, 2021 Report Share Posted April 2, 2021 20 minutes ago, Robbored said: I met SC several times, decent enough guy, warm and friendly enough but no presence whatsoever. Not yet met Big Nige - don’t need to to see that he has great presence. No presents whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted April 2, 2021 Report Share Posted April 2, 2021 2 minutes ago, Superjack said: Yes. Unless they were trying to be deliberately obtuse, of course... Yeah, but who'd be sad enough to do that sor..... Ah. Sorry, as you were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivorguy Posted April 2, 2021 Report Share Posted April 2, 2021 SC’s success was gained against a background of lack of backing and freedom to manage once he obtained promotion a season early. If the owner had dealt properly with the situation on promotion who knows how far SC could have taken us. This is why I am fearful that the past may be repeated with the owner and Pearson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superjack Posted April 2, 2021 Report Share Posted April 2, 2021 8 minutes ago, Robbored said: I’m sure he does - quite right to. *too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edgy Red Posted April 2, 2021 Report Share Posted April 2, 2021 12 minutes ago, Jerseybean said: Given a rebuild is required here are our current senior players (excluding academy players and those whose loans expire at the end of the season) . If you were NP faced with these two lists who would you look to (1) keep (2) get rid of? Out of Contract 1. Hunt 2. Adelakun 3. Rowe 4. Baker 5. Watkins 6. Lansbury (is he on loan?) 7. Diedhiou 8. Mariappa 9. Walsh 10. Paterson 11. Weimann 12. Wollacott 13. Simpson 1. Bentley 2. O’Leary 3. Dasilva 4. Nagy 5. Martin 6. O'Dowda 7. Wells 8. Massengo 9. Palmer 10. Vyner 11. Bakinson 12. Seymeno 13. Williams 14. Kalas 15. Pring 16. Moore I'm getting to the stage now where i think i would release all of the out of contract players. It could be that a number of them have alternative options lined up anyway! We need to recruit 4 or 5 quality Champ proven players who have to be part of the starting 11. That doesn't necessarily mean spending millions in transfer fees but wages will have to be paid. We have a number of talented youngsters who can supplement the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Horse With No Name Posted April 2, 2021 Report Share Posted April 2, 2021 10 minutes ago, Superjack said: *too Read it again. Either could be correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superjack Posted April 2, 2021 Report Share Posted April 2, 2021 2 minutes ago, The Horse With No Name said: Read it again. Either could be correct. I know. I just fancied trolling a troll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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