Nogbad the Bad Posted August 19, 2021 Report Share Posted August 19, 2021 Never in favour of Hughton coming here. He was about 3rd on my list at the time - really didn't see him as being a good fit. A duff season inbetween but really glad we ended up with NP, the right man in the end imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted August 19, 2021 Report Share Posted August 19, 2021 5 minutes ago, Nogbad the Bad said: Never in favour of Hughton coming here. He was about 3rd on my list at the time - really didn't see him as being a good fit. A duff season inbetween but really glad we ended up with NP, the right man in the end imo. Agreed. We didn't have a strong array of options last summer from memory. I'd have been happy with Hughton but not exactly enthused. I think fans of this club (in general) prefer more energetic and passionate managers than Hughton. In recent times I think the managers who've inspired the fans most have been Gary Johnson and Cotterill. Both were energetic and passionate. Obviously it helped that both achieved success here. Hughton seems more like an O'Driscoll type to me. He'd have been a pragmatic and fairly sensible appointment at the time though so I can see why he was an option. I never considered Pearson as a serious option really - thought he'd be out of our league and a bit too boisterous for our board's tastes. Really happy we've got him now though, was a very welcome surprise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted August 19, 2021 Report Share Posted August 19, 2021 I’m not gonna reinvent history, he was my first choice (of what I thought was available), but remember posting it wasn’t an exciting first choice. Early days in the season….they started with 4 losses last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturny Posted August 19, 2021 Report Share Posted August 19, 2021 I'm wondering how different things could've been if we had CH instead of DH, maybe MA would still be in the job? Maybe there would've been less injuries? We could be Forest fans now screaming for him to be sacked and oh how we should've got Nige in. Interesting point for discussion. When we had the option of CH or DH I was absolutely screaming for it not to be Dean, we all knew it was a bad call. It's a weird thing to say but we should've gone for CH at that time but maybe it was better in the long run that we got Nige. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted August 19, 2021 Report Share Posted August 19, 2021 I've given up on 'wanting' a certain manager, as my preference seems to have to sway with the Board. That said; Holden Vs Hughton , no brainer. Was actually quite excited at the prospect of an experienced man in the job. The situation we were in an experienced manager would have been the obvious choice. I would have expected him to be better than Holden, having been there and done it previously. The state we were in whoever took over had a massive job, Holden had next to no chance in his first job. Post Holden was even worse, if that was possible, and a slightly different job. We were probably in credit with transfer fees, but loan fee and wages must have been high and by the end of Holden we had had about a year without income. Add about 12 players due to be OOC , the injury mess and seemingly a farce of a medical staff and it wasn't the best job to step into. Received wisdom was Hughton liked to build his own squad, even that he may have said as much in the interview, that he wanted a complete rebuild. Who knows. It would make sense of appointing Holden though. By the time Holden left, offered CH or NP, I'd have taken Nige. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted August 19, 2021 Report Share Posted August 19, 2021 9 minutes ago, Sturny said: I'm wondering how different things could've been if we had CH instead of DH, maybe MA would still be in the job? Maybe there would've been less injuries? We could be Forest fans now screaming for him to be sacked and oh how we should've got Nige in. Interesting point for discussion. When we had the option of CH or DH I was absolutely screaming for it not to be Dean, we all knew it was a bad call. It's a weird thing to say but we should've gone for CH at that time but maybe it was better in the long run that we got Nige. I think Ashton would've gone to Ipswich regardless. It's probably a more lucrative role for him and he had been doing the groundwork with the American backers for some time. It was probably in the works in some form even whilst Johnson was here. I think you're probably right that in the long run it'll work out for the best. I think we ended up with the best option by accident rather than design though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted August 19, 2021 Report Share Posted August 19, 2021 Why can't I vote yes Hughton would have given us the best chance of success (over Holden) but I'm happy with Pearson? Didn't realise this was an older thread, also didn't realise how poorly Forest had started this season That said, I wanted Hughton at the time, and I wanted Pearson at the time he was appointed so my answer is still valid I guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshtonYate Posted August 19, 2021 Report Share Posted August 19, 2021 We should all know by now our fanbase hasn't got a clue (including me). These are a few I can thing about! Fans wanted Steve Coppell - Failure Fans said "no thanks" to Wilbs - Success Fans not convinced by Cotterill - Success Fans wanted Palmer - Failure Fans didn't want LJ - Success (stats say he was one of our most successful managers of all time) Fans didn't want John Ward - Success And their are many more! Basically SL, just do the opposite to what we say as a fanbase and we will get success!!! haha *Just a bit of fun before people get all upset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eardun Posted August 19, 2021 Report Share Posted August 19, 2021 2 hours ago, AshtonYate said: We should all know by now our fanbase hasn't got a clue (including me). These are a few I can thing about! Fans wanted Steve Coppell - Failure Fans said "no thanks" to Wilbs - Success Fans not convinced by Cotterill - Success Fans wanted Palmer - Failure Fans didn't want LJ - Success (stats say he was one of our most successful managers of all time) Fans didn't want John Ward - Success And their are many more! Basically SL, just do the opposite to what we say as a fanbase and we will get success!!! haha *Just a bit of fun before people get all upset. And the fans wanted Tomlin to be signed permanently after his loan deal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted August 19, 2021 Report Share Posted August 19, 2021 2 hours ago, AshtonYate said: We should all know by now our fanbase hasn't got a clue (including me). These are a few I can thing about! Fans wanted Steve Coppell - Failure Fans said "no thanks" to Wilbs - Success Fans not convinced by Cotterill - Success Fans wanted Palmer - Failure Fans didn't want LJ - Success (stats say he was one of our most successful managers of all time) Fans didn't want John Ward - Success And their are many more! Basically SL, just do the opposite to what we say as a fanbase and we will get success!!! haha *Just a bit of fun before people get all upset. Obviously it's a bit silly to group all fans views as there's going to be a variation within that. It's an interesting point you're making though. I've had a go at whether I feel the consensus was favourable at the time and whether fans' views were then vindicated. As a bit of a disclaimer, to do this at such a simplistic level you have to ignore the context of their time managing (transfer budgets, other mitigating factors ie Covid) which I've done here. I've basically done it as whether the club was in a better position when they left. Pearson - Favourable - TBC Holden - Unfavourable - Failure Johnson - Unfavourable - Success Cotterill - Unfavourable - Success O'Driscoll - Favourable - Failure McInnes - Favourable - Failure Millen - Unfavourable - Failure Johnson - Favourable - Success Interestingly then, going by this pretty reductive interpretation, the only time the fan choice has been successful in recentish times was Gary Johnson back in 05'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfc01 Posted August 19, 2021 Report Share Posted August 19, 2021 3 hours ago, Sturny said: I'm wondering how different things could've been if we had CH instead of DH, maybe MA would still be in the job? Maybe there would've been less injuries? We could be Forest fans now screaming for him to be sacked and oh how we should've got Nige in. Interesting point for discussion. When we had the option of CH or DH I was absolutely screaming for it not to be Dean, we all knew it was a bad call. It's a weird thing to say but we should've gone for CH at that time but maybe it was better in the long run that we got Nige. Maybe it was NP that the club/SL wanted when LJ was sacked. Unfortunately, he had a bad covid experience while all the "deliberations" were going on so it ruled him out at that time. For me, DH was a stop gap until NP was well enough to take the reigns. It would have been interesting if DH had made a fist of it and we were doing ok though. Just a theory rather than an opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midred Posted August 19, 2021 Report Share Posted August 19, 2021 With all our combined knowledge of the game wtf do otib know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted August 19, 2021 Report Share Posted August 19, 2021 10 hours ago, Davefevs said: I’m not gonna reinvent history, he was my first choice (of what I thought was available), but remember posting it wasn’t an exciting first choice. Early days in the season….they started with 4 losses last season. And we started with 4 wins!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dolman Pragmatist Posted August 19, 2021 Report Share Posted August 19, 2021 7 hours ago, Phileas Fogg said: Obviously it's a bit silly to group all fans views as there's going to be a variation within that. It's an interesting point you're making though. I've had a go at whether I feel the consensus was favourable at the time and whether fans' views were then vindicated. As a bit of a disclaimer, to do this at such a simplistic level you have to ignore the context of their time managing (transfer budgets, other mitigating factors ie Covid) which I've done here. I've basically done it as whether the club was in a better position when they left. Pearson - Favourable - TBC Holden - Unfavourable - Failure Johnson - Unfavourable - Success Cotterill - Unfavourable - Success O'Driscoll - Favourable - Failure McInnes - Favourable - Failure Millen - Unfavourable - Failure Johnson - Favourable - Success Interestingly then, going by this pretty reductive interpretation, the only time the fan choice has been successful in recentish times was Gary Johnson back in 05'. Just wonder on what basis Holden is judged a failure? In the top ten of all-time City managers based on win percentage, despite the worst injury list of all time. Just saying like… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malago Posted August 19, 2021 Report Share Posted August 19, 2021 8 minutes ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said: Just wonder on what basis Holden is judged a failure? In the top ten of all-time City managers based on win percentage, despite the worst injury list of all time. Just saying like… Being sacked after only 8 months in charge doesn’t scream success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC Grim Posted August 19, 2021 Report Share Posted August 19, 2021 Lee Johnson a success? Give the **** over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted August 19, 2021 Report Share Posted August 19, 2021 23 minutes ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said: Just wonder on what basis Holden is judged a failure? In the top ten of all-time City managers based on win percentage, despite the worst injury list of all time. Just saying like… Not getting into debate re success / failure, but I don’t like Win percentage. Points per game is fairer imho. P10 W5 L5 - win 50% ppg 1.5 P10 W3 D6 L1 - win 30% ppg 1.5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomThumb84 Posted August 19, 2021 Report Share Posted August 19, 2021 2 hours ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said: Just wonder on what basis Holden is judged a failure? In the top ten of all-time City managers based on win percentage, despite the worst injury list of all time. Just saying like… Interesting point but I think he was a failure based on how quickly and dramatically we declined under him. Under his stewardship he managed us into becoming an almost farcical shambles of a side. We were getting battered each week, not even marginally. Watford away was perhaps the most incompetent performance in modern memory - from Towler at left-back and Moore at left centre-half, to a half-fit Lansbury letting blokes run by him. Dean started with luck and goodwill and quickly found his ability level. Should never have been appointed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcofisher Posted August 19, 2021 Report Share Posted August 19, 2021 I was torn between Jokanovich, Hughton and Paul Cook and they are 22nd, 23rd and 19th in League One respectively Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted August 19, 2021 Report Share Posted August 19, 2021 Holden won a lot, but lost a lot- not many draws IIRC, staying in games was an issue as well ie conceding early goals and particularly in his latter days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted August 22, 2021 Report Share Posted August 22, 2021 https://twitter.com/nffc/status/1429367683829702657?s=21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted August 22, 2021 Report Share Posted August 22, 2021 If you look at virtually any manager's record there are hits and misses. Pearson was great at Leicester, decent at Hull but couldn't turn around Southampton and Derby's fortunes - and wasn't given enough time. It's pretty obvious why this happens. The individual circumstances at each club differ. When a new manager is appointed the "deck of card" he inherits varies wildly. If Hughton does not succeed at Forest, it doesn't mean he's suddenly become a crap manager. He inherited a basket case. But like Pearson he has notable successes in his CV. He's also mid-rebuild. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted August 22, 2021 Report Share Posted August 22, 2021 I was hugely disappointed when we picked Holden instead of CH. it felt like a huge step backwards. I feel we have wasted time. Pearson is fine by me though and I back CH to get Forest going again. It is very, very early in the season and teams are trying to gel whilst their managers search for the winning formula. People don’t do patience any more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted August 23, 2021 Report Share Posted August 23, 2021 Hughton rumoured to be off this week. Maybe not the messiah so many on here pronounced him as being Who would swap him with Nigel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curr Avon Posted August 23, 2021 Report Share Posted August 23, 2021 On 18/08/2021 at 23:36, Leveller said: Just noticed a poll on the Forest forum with 86% in favour of sacking him now. Did we dodge a bullet? No. Hughton has turned Forest's fortunes around. They were hopeless and desperate when he joined. Now they're desperate and hopeless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted August 23, 2021 Report Share Posted August 23, 2021 36 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: Hughton rumoured to be off this week. Maybe not the messiah so many on here pronounced him as being Who would swap him with Nigel? He’s a good manager with a good track record over the years. In many respects he’s suffering from trying to downsize a bloated squad, a bit like us, and hasn’t been able to recruit this summer. He joined last summer after the window closed and hasn’t paid one fee yet (I think), so hands tied. Did a reasonable just last season under circumstances. I wouldn’t swap him for Nige now, had they both been available last summer, it would’ve been a tough choice, but Nige would’ve got the nod. But very easy to sit here today and make statements like that without context isn’t it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Show Me The Money! Posted August 23, 2021 Report Share Posted August 23, 2021 54 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: Hughton rumoured to be off this week. Maybe not the messiah so many on here pronounced him as being Who would swap him with Nigel? Nigel has hardly set the world on fire. We’ve been terrible since took over, but then who’s to say anybody would do any better. Do I want Nigel sacked? No, because the he needs time and I think slowly we are improving. Should CH get sacked? No, probably not as his managerial record so far suggests he will get them heading in the right direction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossi the Robin Posted August 24, 2021 Report Share Posted August 24, 2021 Stuffed 4-0 in the league cup at home, although premier league opposition - a couple more loses and that will be it IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted August 24, 2021 Report Share Posted August 24, 2021 1 hour ago, Rossi the Robin said: Stuffed 4-0 in the league cup at home, although premier league opposition - a couple more loses and that will be it IMO Forest v Derby is...well it's a derby isn't it? Lose to Derby at the weekend and he could be out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Londoner Posted August 25, 2021 Report Share Posted August 25, 2021 7 hours ago, Rossi the Robin said: Stuffed 4-0 in the league cup at home, although premier league opposition - a couple more loses and that will be it IMO No shots on target either which sounds familiar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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