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On 08/04/2021 at 13:42, Davefevs said:

OP.

If you genuinely think my view of club employee performance is based on the fact they wear a suit, talk in a Corporate way, etc, then you’ve seriously misjudged where my view comes from.  I expect him to wear a suit, I expect him to talk in a way according to his role.  If you think I’ve joined a witch hunt, then check the analysis and investigation I’ve done.  If that happens to tie up nicely with what others have found out too, some through direct experience of dealing with him, then it’s gonna inform abd influence other posters’ views too, that’s how things work!

I also expect him to take responsibility for the delivering the strategy of the owner through the board (of which he is a director) to the various areas of the football club, and on the playing side through the manager / head-coach,

He performs some of those aspects well, administration of a football operation, representing SL’s view at the EFL.

He fails on some too....contract strategy, recruitment, succession planning of staff and players....and those also have a huge bearing on the overall financial strategy of sustainability.  We are nowhere near sustainable.

If you want to give him credit for a successful period, where do you start to see the decline starting?  Or haven’t you acknowledged that if you give him credit for the good, you have to do the other side too.

If you judge that purely on league position (which is a silo attitude imho) then have you missed that we went backwards last season and more again this season?  Or do you choose to ignore that, because it doesn’t fit your agenda.

As for SL, he is not beyond criticism.  I’m grateful for what he’s done, but it’s not a charitable donation either.  There is a big grey area between “giving £150m to BCFC” and investing £150m in BCFC.  When he talked a couple of years back and said (paraphrased) when supporters have invested what I have they can have a bigger say, he showed that there is more to his work that charity!

There is a lot of truth in this @Davefevsof course but I think the OP @ashtonvalemakes some very good points re-Ashton too. Isn't the logical conclusion that a new beefed up 'head of recruitment'/DOF responsible for setting the footballing strategy for the club (similar to how you describe Keith Burt's role and the successful set up at Norwich too) coming in and reporting in to Ashton would put most ppl's concerns to bed letting MA focus on negotiations/finances/corporate side that he has seemingly done very well at since joining? - It's a set up Pearson enjoys too historically of course.

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I've not been on here for a proper look for a few days, but without discussing the specifics of the impending departure, why isn't the Snake Oil Salesman's Ipswich move being discussed?  I read that the club have leant on the mods to not have it discussed, but it that just hearsay or is that true.  If so, why?  I understand this may not get as complete an answer as I maybe desire, but some general indication would be welcome. :)

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2 hours ago, WirralRobin said:

There is a lot of truth in this @Davefevsof course but I think the OP @ashtonvalemakes some very good points re-Ashton too. Isn't the logical conclusion that a new beefed up 'head of recruitment'/DOF responsible for setting the footballing strategy for the club (similar to how you describe Keith Burt's role and the successful set up at Norwich too) coming in and reporting in to Ashton would put most ppl's concerns to bed letting MA focus on negotiations/finances/corporate side that he has seemingly done very well at since joining? - It's a set up Pearson enjoys too historically of course.

All I did was counter the OP’s view that “us fans” (for I am one of them) think a certain way about MA because he (paraphrased) wears a suit.C1F7D732-B89B-4AC1-B90B-77A7B6D28F83.thumb.jpeg.21f96c044100ef430fe32d53725859f2.jpeg

I agree re your “logical conclusion”.....but then the CEO’s role is diminished from what he does today.  Is he willing to take a pay cut to cover the salary of the a DoF / HoR and his movement into true oversight of the strategy rather than direct involvement in the recruitment element?  None of these “other clubs” have a CEO so heavily involved in recruitment....they all have a specialist.  We don’t.

You'll see I’ve been pretty consistent in my backing of MA’s administration skills.

If you put up a post like the OP did, you’ve gotta be prepared for some challenge.

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On 08/04/2021 at 12:26, CheddarReds said:

You've said it yourself - Ashton overseas the recruitment team. If there is no philosophy for us to recruit with, the recruitment will be more scattergun (which is what we've seen). The result of that, amongst other things, is no coherent style on the pitch and an unbalanced squad both of which have really come to a head this season, but it's been a problem that's developed over multiple seasons.

That's without considering the contract situations of the squad etc which Ashton is also responsible for. 

Ashton has to take responsibility for that in my view. 

For me LJ also takes his share of blame in this regard, all soundbites confirm he had final say, and I'd actually go onto say that between LJ and Holden, MA's recruitment would've been scatter gun due to the formers clubs in bag approach, and the latters inexperience. 

Saying that, he put himself in a turd position by appointing Holden in the first place. 

Added to that, our recruitment on the whole for the past two years has been desperately poor. Only decent business in that time has been Massengo and Nagy. 

Add in the NDAs at Watford, the shit show with Boothroyd,  to City, kicking out people who were huge cores at the club - then appointing his own placeholders, Oxford aside, Ashton's precursor roles to City don't exactly shine with brilliance. 

Ultimately, Lansdown only has himself to blame re his current standing, he's swung between treating fans as consumers one second to us being a core the next. At the very least if he appointed a CEO with a track record, or a DoF, a lot less fans would have any ammunition to bash the club with. 

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