Promising kids

[Major Isewater]

12 hours ago, E.G.Red said:

Have you discounted those out on loan such as Robbie Candy, currently on loan at playoff contenders Gillingham. Following their defeat on Saturday in which Candy didn’t play, their manager remarked ‘if ever there was a case for missing Robbie Candy’ it was today. These are the players I would like to see getting a chance with City.

Any relation to Robbie Cundy ?

 

[M.D]

22 minutes ago, alexukhc said:

Whatever happened to that Morton lad? 5 year deal wasn’t it?

He's at Gillingham along with Cundy I think but not getting game time..

[E.G.Red]

17 minutes ago, Major Isewater said:

Any relation to Robbie Cundy ?

 

A sweeter version I believe (You obviously missed my earlier post about auto correct)

[KegCity]

13 hours ago, Better Red said:

 

So if it’s such a great group - how many do you think will be starters next season ?

Massengo, O'Leary (if Bentley leaves) and Semenyo will be starters next season. 2 of them already are. You've given a frankly bizarre assessment of those players which makes me wonder if you've ever watched any of them play, or ever seen a young player before? 

[Davefevs]

1 hour ago, Lrrr said:

Why do they have to be ready next season?

The likes of Bell, Towler etc you list as being too weak to make it have only turned 18 in the last 12 months and therefore will have only just started to have their S&C levels increased with probably limits over the amount of weights you can do as an under 18 so same for that will apply to Pearson and Conway. The likes of Scott and Benarous therefore wouldn’t even be at that stage yet and still developing physically.

Not surprising 18 year olds aren’t all ready physically to compete with 25 year olds. Give the likes of Bell/Conway time to train with the first team, can imagine the likes Wells and Weimann can probably teach them how to use their pace/agility to position their bodied against bigger/stronger players.

Yep. You only have to look at the Championship and see how few minutes are played by 19s and under.

You only have to look at average age. The youngest teams are still c24 years.

The physical demands of the modern game have added to players not breaking through as young as “yesteryear”.

[Better Red]

19 minutes ago, KegCity said:

Massengo, O'Leary (if Bentley leaves) and Semenyo will be starters next season. 2 of them already are. You've given a frankly bizarre assessment of those players which makes me wonder if you've ever watched any of them play, or ever seen a young player before? 

So 2 at a push....  I would not bet on Massengo being in the first team ahead of Williams and Walsh if fit. Is he better than Nagy ? That’s if we don’t Sign at least 2

Seymenyo better than Wieman and O’Dowda ? No sure and again that’s if we don’t bring anyone in

O’Leary again as above let’s see if we bring in another keeper. When we did we sent him out on loan.

For reference I watch all the games. 

[Fuber]

14 hours ago, Better Red said:

Most  are overrated.

And I say that as a Championship team not a L1 team.
Championship level aiming for the Prem let’s not forget the level we are at.

As we are having such a bad season everyone is looking for some hope.

We are a poor side and yet ‘none’ of them have staked a claim as a 1st choice starter with the exception of Seymenyo and he has been in and out.

Seymenyo - Can’t score will never make the step up. Don’t believe the paper talk re prem clubs interested. Scored 2 goals both not even shots they were deflections off goal keepers clearance. Would warm the bench if we did not have so many injuries. Falters to deceive.£10m crazy talk. Likely to get 2 or 3 a season if he plays 40 plus games.

Bakinson - Want him to be good as he does at least look too pass forward but to weak and lazy with his passes and gives the ball away to cheaply. Will drop down to L1 and where he will look a half decent player for 20/30 games a year. Another who looks like would get maybe 2 goals a season.

Massengo - The wonder kid who does well actually what does he do. Runs about and does look decent on the ball. But never passes forward and does not effect games. Will leave and play back in France in less than 2 seasons. Will he ever score a goal for us ?

Towler - To Weak. Looks good on the ball but nowhere near ready for Championship football.

Bell - Quick and makes decent runs but again looks to weak and small for championship football - Will play L1 or 2 

Vyner - Will make a decent right back at this level. Shame no one in our coaching staff and Nigel has not worked that out. Maybe it’s just me but it’s so obvious it’s painful he does get a run at RB

Edwards - Only seen bits but he looks for me the best of the group. He needs a run in the team and for me we could have a decent player on our hands

O’Leary - L1 Goal keeper. If we sale Bentley I bet we bring in a replacement that will prove how the club sees him.

Pring - Who knows never seen him play.

Pearson - Seen nothing to say he will be a regular first team player. Does look more up to physical side of the game.

I accept there are lots coming through and if we can get 2 or 3 on the bench with Max plus Vyner and one in the team it will certainly help with the wages.

Buy if you said who will be a starter for us next season I would say none and that includes Vyner as unless he gets to play RB I can see him being a back up centre half and utility player a victim of his own versatility.

So if it’s such a great group - how many do you think will be starters next season ?

Geez. 

Almost as if younger players need a couple of seasons to develop! 

They will be introduced but likely as squad players, I.e Vyner, Semenyo this season. 

HNM arguably one of our best players this season, and already looking a bit more consistent.

Semenyo same applies, needs to add an element of composure in and around the box, but also has most assists this season

All the kind of things that come from experience. Loans can only take you so far, the likes of Bryan, Reid, improved by leaps and bounds once playing regularly games. 

"Haven't staked a place", I'd argue that all of O'Leary, Vyner, Massengo, Semenyo, and Bakinson, have all staked places. 

People need to stop worrying about names, just look at Barnsley this season. Shows what morale and a system can do at this level. 

Let Pearson have a crack at sorting out the backroom in the summer, a few signings, and see where the roller-coaster takes us.

[Better Red]

1 hour ago, Lrrr said:

Why do they have to be ready next season?

The likes of Bell, Towler etc you list as being too weak to make it have only turned 18 in the last 12 months and therefore will have only just started to have their S&C levels increased with probably limits over the amount of weights you can do as an under 18 so same for that will apply to Pearson and Conway. The likes of Scott and Benarous therefore wouldn’t even be at that stage yet and still developing physically.

Not surprising 18 year olds aren’t all ready physically to compete with 25 year olds. Give the likes of Bell/Conway time to train with the first team, can imagine the likes Wells and Weimann can probably teach them how to use their pace/agility to position their bodied against bigger/stronger players.

I agree with most of above.

The point I am making is I have seen nothing that that makes me think we found a ‘first’ team player for next year. 

I have been watching City for a very long time and can barley remember us producing anyone in the last 20 years.

Bobby, Bryant and Kelly in recent times and all likely to play in the championship next year.

Maybe in 2 or 3years I will have a different view.  

If people are saying it’s a good group it’s just a guess and just hope based on no reality and where we have seen some of them none of them look like the players I hear people talking about on here.

Symenyo £10m really.... lucky to be in the team at the moment as no real competition. 

Agree it’s about the future but unfortunately the future seems a long way off.

[Lrrr]

Just now, Better Red said:

I agree with most of above.

The point I am making is I have seen nothing that that makes me think we found a ‘first’ team player for next year. 

I have been watching City for a very long time and can barley remember us producing anyone in the last 20 years.

Bobby, Bryant and Kelly in recent times and all likely to play in the championship next year.

Maybe in 2 or 3years I will have a different view.  

If people are saying it’s a good group it’s just a guess and just hope based on no reality and where we have seen some of them none of them look like the players I hear people talking about on here.

Symenyo £10m really.... lucky to be in the team at the moment as no real competition. 

Agree it’s about the future but unfortunately the future seems a long way off.

The 'failures' of yesteryear shouldn't count when discussing what's happening now though. I said in a different thread about how the academy would have changed over the last decade, the introduction of EPPP means criteria had to be met in all academies, essentially Sam Bell's age group when he joined probably are one of the first to really be coming through under that regime, so the hope should be a more consistent flow of talent being produced now, academy football isn't just a snap of the fingers and things change. Bell's age group are one to have really benefit from a (almost) full academy cycle of this regime, more coaching, specialised staff etc whereas those before had a mix and may not have fully benefitted.  

Joe wasn't ready for the championship until 21/22 though and Bobby not really until 23/24 though so its hard to write off 18 year olds at this stage, its encouraging that Bell and Britton are right up there for the top scorers in the league the u23's play in, each only having played about half a season with Britton having been out on loan and Bell around the first team. Remember these are lads who've maybe trained with the first team every now and then so they're coming into a new team and getting used to the individual players as well, in Bell's interview about his new contract he talked about the biggest difference being the speed the game is played at vs u23's or non league football, that would take some time to adapt so its not surprising some games may pass the youngsters by, if anything its a credit to them that they don't look hopelessly out of their depth, the highest standard Conway and Pearson had really played was Bath in NLS, Bell for Yate and Towler lower than that so its a massive jump in standard of adult football if you don't look at 23's.

The fact the u23's team is top of their group and around top in their whole category this season despite their team being mostly 18/19/20 year olds all season is a good indicator so has some basis in reality, our academy in the past hasn't been one that floats around the top of the table, in fact I think I read a tweet from an account that focuses on academy football that if the u23's win their group it'll be the first time they've won it since the category system came in if not much longer. To do that without stacking the team with 21/22/23 year olds and 3 overage players is no mean feat.

[Lrrr]

16 minutes ago, JonDolman said:

Look at the quality here of these kids. Fantastic 

A 6-0 with Cardiff? I hope there were free programs given to everyone 

[grifty]

27 minutes ago, Better Red said:

I agree with most of above.

The point I am making is I have seen nothing that that makes me think we found a ‘first’ team player for next year. 

I have been watching City for a very long time and can barley remember us producing anyone in the last 20 years.

Bobby, Bryant and Kelly in recent times and all likely to play in the championship next year.

Maybe in 2 or 3years I will have a different view.  

If people are saying it’s a good group it’s just a guess and just hope based on no reality and where we have seen some of them none of them look like the players I hear people talking about on here.

Symenyo £10m really.... lucky to be in the team at the moment as no real competition. 

Agree it’s about the future but unfortunately the future seems a long way off.

So you've been watching for 20 years, can barely remember us producing anyone, then name 3...

20 years ago would have been roughly the time of Matt Hill, Louis Carey, Aaron Brown, Danny Coles, Tommy Doc, all of whom were solid league players for us for 100+ matches.

[James54De]

15 hours ago, Better Red said:

Most  are overrated.

And I say that as a Championship team not a L1 team.
Championship level aiming for the Prem let’s not forget the level we are at.

As we are having such a bad season everyone is looking for some hope.

We are a poor side and yet ‘none’ of them have staked a claim as a 1st choice starter with the exception of Seymenyo and he has been in and out.

Seymenyo - Can’t score will never make the step up. Don’t believe the paper talk re prem clubs interested. Scored 2 goals both not even shots they were deflections off goal keepers clearance. Would warm the bench if we did not have so many injuries. Falters to deceive.£10m crazy talk. Likely to get 2 or 3 a season if he plays 40 plus games.

Bakinson - Want him to be good as he does at least look too pass forward but to weak and lazy with his passes and gives the ball away to cheaply. Will drop down to L1 and where he will look a half decent player for 20/30 games a year. Another who looks like would get maybe 2 goals a season.

Massengo - The wonder kid who does well actually what does he do. Runs about and does look decent on the ball. But never passes forward and does not effect games. Will leave and play back in France in less than 2 seasons. Will he ever score a goal for us ?

Towler - To Weak. Looks good on the ball but nowhere near ready for Championship football.

Bell - Quick and makes decent runs but again looks to weak and small for championship football - Will play L1 or 2 

Vyner - Will make a decent right back at this level. Shame no one in our coaching staff and Nigel has not worked that out. Maybe it’s just me but it’s so obvious it’s painful he does get a run at RB

Edwards - Only seen bits but he looks for me the best of the group. He needs a run in the team and for me we could have a decent player on our hands

O’Leary - L1 Goal keeper. If we sale Bentley I bet we bring in a replacement that will prove how the club sees him.

Pring - Who knows never seen him play.

Pearson - Seen nothing to say he will be a regular first team player. Does look more up to physical side of the game.

I accept there are lots coming through and if we can get 2 or 3 on the bench with Max plus Vyner and one in the team it will certainly help with the wages.

Buy if you said who will be a starter for us next season I would say none and that includes Vyner as unless he gets to play RB I can see him being a back up centre half and utility player a victim of his own versatility.

So if it’s such a great group - how many do you think will be starters next season ?

Think a lot of yourself, don’t you?

[bpexile]

4 hours ago, Better Red said:

 Not bad, but not keen on fancy dress.

 

Fishnet stockings by any chance ?

[McNasty Filth]

15 hours ago, Better Red said:

Seymenyo - Can’t score will never make the step up. Don’t believe the paper talk re prem clubs interested. Scored 2 goals both not even shots they were deflections off goal keepers clearance. Would warm the bench if we did not have so many injuries. Falters to deceive.£10m crazy talk. Likely to get 2 or 3 a season if he plays 40 plus games

Could it be we have a Bolasie situation on our hands here with Semenyo. Both looked very raw at an early age, only difference is Semenyo has played a lot more games. What was Bolasie, 23-24 when he left us? 

I always find it interesting when it comes to the new cycle of a season, that certain young players kick on massively. What is it about the summer break? Could it be they have a chance to reset and take a step back, looking at the bigger picture, processing subconsciously what is needed mentally. That coupled with more time to work on their game with the right coaching.

Sometimes it just takes a chance meeting with a figure that will play an influential role in their life who helps them to develop mentally, so when the light bulb goes off in their head, they start to join the dots and you see the progress come the start of season.

One player that really stuck in mind 20 odd years ago was Jim Brennan. Looked fairly average to me after watching him for a couple of seasons, then he came out the next season and looked a completely different player.

For all we know Semenyo could be reading books on Freud, listening to Sun Ra and meditating on the centre circle during the summer?!?!?

[Davefevs]

1 hour ago, Lrrr said:

The 'failures' of yesteryear shouldn't count when discussing what's happening now though. I said in a different thread about how the academy would have changed over the last decade, the introduction of EPPP means criteria had to be met in all academies, essentially Sam Bell's age group when he joined probably are one of the first to really be coming through under that regime, so the hope should be a more consistent flow of talent being produced now, academy football isn't just a snap of the fingers and things change. Bell's age group are one to have really benefit from a (almost) full academy cycle of this regime, more coaching, specialised staff etc whereas those before had a mix and may not have fully benefitted.  

Joe wasn't ready for the championship until 21/22 though and Bobby not really until 23/24 though so its hard to write off 18 year olds at this stage, its encouraging that Bell and Britton are right up there for the top scorers in the league the u23's play in, each only having played about half a season with Britton having been out on loan and Bell around the first team. Remember these are lads who've maybe trained with the first team every now and then so they're coming into a new team and getting used to the individual players as well, in Bell's interview about his new contract he talked about the biggest difference being the speed the game is played at vs u23's or non league football, that would take some time to adapt so its not surprising some games may pass the youngsters by, if anything its a credit to them that they don't look hopelessly out of their depth, the highest standard Conway and Pearson had really played was Bath in NLS, Bell for Yate and Towler lower than that so its a massive jump in standard of adult football if you don't look at 23's.

The fact the u23's team is top of their group and around top in their whole category this season despite their team being mostly 18/19/20 year olds all season is a good indicator so has some basis in reality, our academy in the past hasn't been one that floats around the top of the table, in fact I think I read a tweet from an account that focuses on academy football that if the u23's win their group it'll be the first time they've won it since the category system came in if not much longer. To do that without stacking the team with 21/22/23 year olds and 3 overage players is no mean feat.

Also...

....Interesting NP talking about certain positions are easier to get your chance, e.g. the forward positions. Centre Back and Goalie less so because a mistake means a goal.

Lots of factors to be considered.

I think it’s fair to say our Academy is moving upwards.

[Henry]

3 hours ago, JonDolman said:

Look at the quality here of these kids. Fantastic 

I think Kasey has been up to his old tricks with Dean Holden’s wife.

[M.D]

19 hours ago, Better Red said:

 

Massengo - The wonder kid who does well actually what does he do. Runs about and does look decent on the ball. But never passes forward and does not effect games. Will leave and play back in France in less than 2 seasons. Will he ever score a goal for us ?

Yet another quality performance from the 19 year old destined to be sent back to France

[Better Red]

4 minutes ago, M.D said:

Yet another quality performance from the 19 year old destined to be sent back to France

He was ok let’s not carried away. Overall we were pretty poor and he was the best of a pretty bad bunch

[M.D]

2 minutes ago, Better Red said:

He was ok let’s not carried away. Overall we were pretty poor and he was the best of a pretty bad bunch

Ive always been a glass half full person, but the lad is class and getting better under NP

[Guest]

5 hours ago, Lrrr said:

A 6-0 with Cardiff? I hope there were free programs given to everyone 

I kept mine, not many did.

[DaveF]

30 minutes ago, Better Red said:

He was ok let’s not carried away. Overall we were pretty poor and he was the best of a pretty bad bunch

He was far better than 'ok' today, if you can't see that you're clueless. 

[RobintheRed Red]

20 hours ago, Better Red said:

Most  are overrated.

And I say that as a Championship team not a L1 team.
Championship level aiming for the Prem let’s not forget the level we are at.

As we are having such a bad season everyone is looking for some hope.

We are a poor side and yet ‘none’ of them have staked a claim as a 1st choice starter with the exception of Seymenyo and he has been in and out.

Seymenyo - Can’t score will never make the step up. Don’t believe the paper talk re prem clubs interested. Scored 2 goals both not even shots they were deflections off goal keepers clearance. Would warm the bench if we did not have so many injuries. Falters to deceive.£10m crazy talk. Likely to get 2 or 3 a season if he plays 40 plus games.

Bakinson - Want him to be good as he does at least look too pass forward but to weak and lazy with his passes and gives the ball away to cheaply. Will drop down to L1 and where he will look a half decent player for 20/30 games a year. Another who looks like would get maybe 2 goals a season.

Massengo - The wonder kid who does well actually what does he do. Runs about and does look decent on the ball. But never passes forward and does not effect games. Will leave and play back in France in less than 2 seasons. Will he ever score a goal for us ?

Towler - To Weak. Looks good on the ball but nowhere near ready for Championship football.

Bell - Quick and makes decent runs but again looks to weak and small for championship football - Will play L1 or 2 

Vyner - Will make a decent right back at this level. Shame no one in our coaching staff and Nigel has not worked that out. Maybe it’s just me but it’s so obvious it’s painful he does get a run at RB

Edwards - Only seen bits but he looks for me the best of the group. He needs a run in the team and for me we could have a decent player on our hands

O’Leary - L1 Goal keeper. If we sale Bentley I bet we bring in a replacement that will prove how the club sees him.

Pring - Who knows never seen him play.

Pearson - Seen nothing to say he will be a regular first team player. Does look more up to physical side of the game.

I accept there are lots coming through and if we can get 2 or 3 on the bench with Max plus Vyner and one in the team it will certainly help with the wages.

Buy if you said who will be a starter for us next season I would say none and that includes Vyner as unless he gets to play RB I can see him being a back up centre half and utility player a victim of his own versatility.

So if it’s such a great group - how many do you think will be starters next season ?

Massengo Best player on the pitch two games running had a 9 rating today hes still a kid give him time .

[Major Isewater]

9 hours ago, E.G.Red said:

A sweeter version I believe (You obviously missed my earlier post about auto correct)

Ah the old ‘ auto correct ‘ excise.

 

[italian dave]

On 09/04/2021 at 14:49, Davefevs said:

Yep.  Without knowing the latest contract situation of the u23 bunch:

It doesn’t look a bad bunch does it?  There will be a few that won’t be here next season, but it’s a good core to develop over the next 12-18-24 months.  Some of that development will be with the first team (for some), some on loan, some as part of u23s.

Definition of “making it” will be interesting.  For example I’d be happy with someone like James Morton being first team cover in midfield, whilst Alex Scott and Ayman Benarous get ready (however we best decide that), rather than buying player x who blocks pathway for those two and Morton himself, who might exceed our expectations when exposed.  There will some tough calls, selfish calls, but you can’t fix a timeline per se.  JT you at least have a plan.  I think Tinnion has that plan....up to the point when he hands them over.  I see his slightly more prominent role building that gap re transition.

Thats how I see it.  Might be a load of old tosh....but I think we are seeing the improvement in our Academy from decisions made years ago.  It can be a slow burner.

It’s not a bad bunch. But “kids”?. At 24?

I seem to remember the point being made when we played Swansea much earlier this season and were congratulating ourselves on our promising youngster Zak Vyner, whilst Swans central defenders were something like 20 and 21, and both looking astonishingly comfortable in the role.

That table certainly puts HNM’s progress into perspective though: what a player he’ll be when he hits 23.

And I think that’s the issue: by 22, 23, 24,:you’d hope for more than promise?

Which is why the later point you and others make about our under 18s in interesting, maybe more relevant and more hopeful?

[Davefevs]

44 minutes ago, italian dave said:

It’s not a bad bunch. But “kids”?. At 24?

I seem to remember the point being made when we played Swansea much earlier this season and were congratulating ourselves on our promising youngster Zak Vyner, whilst Swans central defenders were something like 20 and 21, and both looking astonishingly comfortable in the role.

That table certainly puts HNM’s progress into perspective though: what a player he’ll be when he hits 23.

And I think that’s the issue: by 22, 23, 24,:you’d hope for more than promise?

Which is why the later point you and others make about our under 18s in interesting, maybe more relevant and more hopeful?

I wasn’t suggesting they were kids, just where I cut the screenshot....more about balance of ages across the squad.  We potentially should have a developing squad if this bunch do well....less need to sign 30+ year olds.

[italian dave]

47 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

I wasn’t suggesting they were kids, just where I cut the screenshot....more about balance of ages across the squad.  We potentially should have a developing squad if this bunch do well....less need to sign 30+ year olds.

But the thread is ‘promising kids’! Appreciate what you say Dave, and my post wasn’t having a go at that list (apologies if it came across that way), quite the opposite. It helps make my point that we are still talking about players as promising when they hit 23, and certainly aren’t kids.

One of the problems we have with that balance that you rightly highlight is that we keep selling anyone who turns the promise into reality. The likes of Kelly and Brownhill would give a nice balance!

[Davefevs]

59 minutes ago, italian dave said:

But the thread is ‘promising kids’! Appreciate what you say Dave, and my post wasn’t having a go at that list (apologies if it came across that way), quite the opposite. It helps make my point that we are still talking about players as promising when they hit 23, and certainly aren’t kids.

One of the problems we have with that balance that you rightly highlight is that we keep selling anyone who turns the promise into reality. The likes of Kelly and Brownhill would give a nice balance!

No apology required....Yeah, agree.  What tends to be happening these days is that players aren’t really breaking through til 20+, let alone establishing themselves.  The physical demands of professional football, and the Championship is pushing ages backwards / older.

You probably saw my post / tweet that only 7 players under 20 have played more Championship minutes than HNM.  That’s pretty telling.

 

It drops off to around the 500s once you take off Sibley and Mighten in 9th / 10th.  Only the top 4 are considered regulars.

As you highlight, we do sell those like Kelly and Brownhill.  The problem manifests in who we replace them with.  We aren’t at the stage of creating a conveyor belt....but we might be about to see the semblance of one....I hope!

Our succession planning is awry.  There has been some good intention (Bakinson and Massengo), but the likes of Brunt as a short term stop gap (and failure unfortunately) shows up the lack of planning.

 

[NcnsBcfc]

On 10/04/2021 at 11:27, Davefevs said:

Yep. You only have to look at the Championship and see how few minutes are played by 19s and under.

You only have to look at average age. The youngest teams are still c24 years.

The physical demands of the modern game have added to players not breaking through as young as “yesteryear”.

@Davefevs what are your views on Louis Britton?

He's had a great season at Under 23s, and has done ok out on loan at Torquay; and yet can't even get on our bench?

I see that we've exercised his contract option, but this reads a little like the "liam rosenior situation" of yesteryear; in that we only exercised it to keep some transfer value.

With the raft of new contracts for the younger players, a new one for Britton is noticeable in it's absence. It looks like he's off to pastures new, which is a shame; as he's the type of physical player that we are missing at the moment.

[Davefevs]

42 minutes ago, ncnsbcfc said:

@Davefevs what are your views on Louis Britton?

He's had a great season at Under 23s, and has done ok out on loan at Torquay; and yet can't even get on our bench?

I see that we've exercised his contract option, but this reads a little like the "liam rosenior situation" of yesteryear; in that we only exercised it to keep some transfer value.

With the raft of new contracts for the younger players, a new one for Britton is noticeable in it's absence. It looks like he's off to pastures new, which is a shame; as he's the type of physical player that we are missing at the moment.

I haven’t seen enough of him.  But in highlights he finishes well with either feet and head.

Re contract, I guess we’ve exercised it because of the terms, e.g. have to give 3 months notice.  No reason why further discussions couldn’t take place.

Hes a difficult one to judge.  He’s a physical lad for age group football, and I suspect there’s a tendency to feel that against wily old CBs in the EFL he might struggle.  I remember when I was 30, playing against Amankwaah, and thinking I’d push him around a bit....but it was the opposite....he absolutely clattered me (fairly) on one occasion!!!  So you never know.

If anyone wants him, they’ll have to buy him now he’s signed.

If I had to put my neck on the line, I think he’ll be one who breaks through a bit later....I hope we give him time to do that.

[RedNachos]

Seen a lot of stuff about Dylan Kadj on here recently, what do we know about the lad?