Davefevs Posted April 12, 2021 Report Share Posted April 12, 2021 1 minute ago, Street red said: Director of football would be Pearsons ideal situation I should imagine Could Mark Kelly run the football operation and Ashton Gate. I assume if Ashton is off, Luke Werhun will go with him (or shortly after), so we will need a head of operations and club Secretary. Chance for SL to reflect on the good and the bad of the set-up, and optimise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted April 12, 2021 Report Share Posted April 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Could Mark Kelly run the football operation and Ashton Gate. I assume if Ashton is off, Luke Werhun will go with him (or shortly after), so we will need a head of operations and club Secretary. Chance for SL to reflect on the good and the bad of the set-up, and optimise. Doubt it. Kelly’s experience is in hospitality, nothing to do with football. Before he arrived here he’d worked in the hotel industry. I don’t see him as a football-man. He’s a very professional and likeable bloke and I’ve met and chatted to him numerous times, he’s good at doing what he’s currently doing, but I don’t see him as a football man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Street red Posted April 12, 2021 Report Share Posted April 12, 2021 25 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Could Mark Kelly run the football operation and Ashton Gate. I assume if Ashton is off, Luke Werhun will go with him (or shortly after), so we will need a head of operations and club Secretary. Chance for SL to reflect on the good and the bad of the set-up, and optimise. Wouldn't Steve Walsh be the ideal person, I think he would be perfect considering past ie Jamie vardy mahrez signings. Unsure of contract recently joined in the last year but would we be entitled to compensation if Ashton left and save on his salary ? https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/leicester-city-title-hero-steve-3960479 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted April 12, 2021 Report Share Posted April 12, 2021 26 minutes ago, Street red said: Wouldn't Steve Walsh be the ideal person, I think he would be perfect considering past ie Jamie vardy mahrez signings. Unsure of contract recently joined in the last year but would we be entitled to compensation if Ashton left and save on his salary ? https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/leicester-city-title-hero-steve-3960479 I’m talking about the Operations side.....we need a DoF / HoR too. Walsh would appear to be just want we want too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted April 12, 2021 Report Share Posted April 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Harry said: What stats are you working from then? The ones I gave are the 10 games since Pearson arrived vs the 10 games immediately prior to when Pearson arrived. What other sample of data would be more accurate and timely than that? As for your ‘singing praise’ comment, I’d respectfully disagree. I’m not lavishing any praise on Pearson, in fact I’m one of few on here who has questioned whether he will achieve what we want from him if he’s without his trusty steeds of Shakespeare and Walsh. His record without Shakespeare isn’t as good as with. But I will simply not entertain any argument that suggests that Holden was doing a better job. If Holden was still here, I am 100% certain we’d still be on 39 points and heading for the drop. Small point but Pearson has been with us for 9 games not 10. He wasn't manager for Boro away. Holden would have likely picked up a point or two. No more than that though and by luck rather than judgment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superjack Posted April 13, 2021 Report Share Posted April 13, 2021 1 hour ago, ExiledAjax said: Small point but Pearson has been with us for 9 games not 10. He wasn't manager for Boro away. Holden would have likely picked up a point or two. No more than that though and by luck rather than judgment. Technically he wasn't the manager, but he did speak to the players before the game and at half time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted April 13, 2021 Report Share Posted April 13, 2021 9 hours ago, Lanterne Rouge said: Could be a good week to give up smoking.......................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archie andrews Posted April 13, 2021 Report Share Posted April 13, 2021 1 minute ago, Major Isewater said: Thats just plain stupid... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyderInACan Posted April 13, 2021 Report Share Posted April 13, 2021 7 hours ago, Davefevs said: Could Mark Kelly run the football operation and Ashton Gate. I assume if Ashton is off, Luke Werhun will go with him (or shortly after), so we will need a head of operations and club Secretary. Chance for SL to reflect on the good and the bad of the set-up, and optimise. I’d thought that too, but surely his current remit is demanding enough plus, presumably, he’ll be heavily involved in the Sporting Quarter development too - especially given (as @Harrycorrectly says) his background is very much in hospitality and hotels. However, he does seem to have a touch of the Midas about him so who knows! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecretSam Posted April 13, 2021 Report Share Posted April 13, 2021 On the Ops side, I've said it before, but Richard Gould at Surrey CC (I think - the ones at the Oval). Used to work at AG in Comms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted April 13, 2021 Report Share Posted April 13, 2021 7 hours ago, ExiledAjax said: Small point but Pearson has been with us for 9 games not 10. He wasn't manager for Boro away. Holden would have likely picked up a point or two. No more than that though and by luck rather than judgment. Yep. I just did a pre and post Pearson. He was here for the Boro match but not technically in charge. As I later pointed out, even if you look at just 9 games, it’s still better than Holden’s last 9. I think you are glass ‘very full to overflowing’ in your assessment of Holden had he had those games. I’m convinced we’d have got zero points. We’re not brilliant now, we were substantially worse under him and didn’t look like getting another point all season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
City37 Posted April 13, 2021 Report Share Posted April 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Major Isewater said: Is that JL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havanatopia Posted April 13, 2021 Report Share Posted April 13, 2021 18 hours ago, Davefevs said: Yes, you’d kind of hope it’s a final sit down to: - review the findings - review plan to address findings - if agreed, cost out the plan then appoint NP. If he doesn’t like the findings, god knows what next! Or he could agree to the findings and the cost and realise he cannot justify the cost of Pearson. Oh boy, dug his own P45 there. En serio, much more likely Pearson will get the gig. It is quite simply the correct and sensible decision on SL's part. He knows it and we know it. 17 hours ago, Phileas Fogg said: A lot of people (understandably) worried... but what if there's nothing to be concerned about? We could end up with a best case scenario whereby Ashton leaves and Pearson signs on within the next few days. Very glad to see the filthy Manila air is still clouding your judgement... In a positive way. . i.e. the lingering after effects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted April 13, 2021 Report Share Posted April 13, 2021 2 hours ago, CyderInACan said: I’d thought that too, but surely his current remit is demanding enough plus, presumably, he’ll be heavily involved in the Sporting Quarter development too - especially given (as @Harrycorrectly says) his background is very much in hospitality and hotels. However, he does seem to have a touch of the Midas about him so who knows! Whereas Ashton has the Shitas touch....everything he touches, turns to shit! (joke) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marmite Posted April 13, 2021 Report Share Posted April 13, 2021 3 hours ago, Major Isewater said: That idea will never take off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted April 13, 2021 Report Share Posted April 13, 2021 11 hours ago, Robbored said: You’re forgetting Danny Wilson... The one who turned blind eyes to all the piss ups? You must be joking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrick's Marvels Posted April 13, 2021 Report Share Posted April 13, 2021 9 hours ago, ExiledAjax said: Small point but Pearson has been with us for 9 games not 10. He wasn't manager for Boro away. Pearson might not have had much input - but he had enough. Because all the players that night were playing to impress him, and him alone. Just them knowing he was stand in the stand watching was enough to raise the team's performance level a notch or two. That's why I'm counting it as a Pearson game (plus the fact we won ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrick's Marvels Posted April 13, 2021 Report Share Posted April 13, 2021 3 hours ago, CyderInACan said: I’d thought that too, but surely his current remit is demanding enough plus, presumably, he’ll be heavily involved in the Sporting Quarter development too - especially given (as @Harrycorrectly says) his background is very much in hospitality and hotels. However, he does seem to have a touch of the Midas about him so who knows! I know "the Midas Touch" has a different meaning now but if you go back to the original story, the king turning everything he touched to gold was about things going very, very wrong rather than, as it means now, going very, very right. Apologies if you're well up on your Greek Myths and knew that already but I was genuinely surprised when I discovered that. Here endeth the "well I never" lesson for today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted April 13, 2021 Report Share Posted April 13, 2021 8 minutes ago, Merrick's Marvels said: I know "the Midas Touch" has a different meaning now but if you go back to the original story, the king turning everything he touched to gold was about things going very, very wrong rather than, as it means now, going very, very right. Especially the first time he reached into his fly to have a pee! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted April 13, 2021 Report Share Posted April 13, 2021 9 minutes ago, Merrick's Marvels said: I know "the Midas Touch" has a different meaning now but if you go back to the original story, the king turning everything he touched to gold was about things going very, very wrong rather than, as it means now, going very, very right. Apologies if you're well up on your Greek Myths and knew that already but I was genuinely surprised when I discovered that. Here endeth the "well I never" lesson for today. Exactly. Meant that he couldn’t hug his children, eat food, drink, etc. Sounds like an early form of covid lockdown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrick's Marvels Posted April 13, 2021 Report Share Posted April 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, Harry said: Exactly. Meant that he couldn’t hug his children, eat food, drink, etc. Sounds like an early form of covid lockdown (What a day to be out of likes - still the Hen's open in an hour and it's a beautiful, red letter day!!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrick's Marvels Posted April 13, 2021 Report Share Posted April 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, downendcity said: Especially the first time he reached into his fly to have a pee! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz Posted April 13, 2021 Report Share Posted April 13, 2021 1 hour ago, downendcity said: Especially the first time he reached into his fly to have a pee! Yes, however depending on the "investment" at the time, he may have come out of the loo very, very much richer than he was when he went in! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will b11 Posted April 13, 2021 Report Share Posted April 13, 2021 15 hours ago, Davefevs said: Just heard same just now - announcing Ashton leaving tomorrow. Also that SL has told NP that if he still wants the job, it’s his....announcement not tomorrow. Well one of those things are true ! , let’s hope the other one is When do we reckon an announcement would be made ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted April 13, 2021 Report Share Posted April 13, 2021 3 hours ago, City37 said: Is that JL Whoever he is he is massive !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Street red Posted April 13, 2021 Report Share Posted April 13, 2021 12 hours ago, Davefevs said: I’m talking about the Operations side.....we need a DoF / HoR too. Walsh would appear to be just want we want too. Operations does need changing also it's definitely time for fresh approach to all aspects of the club even the general match day experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChippenhamRed Posted April 13, 2021 Report Share Posted April 13, 2021 23 hours ago, Ivorguy said: I get an awful feeling the less than football savvy owner will let Nige go and get in yet another yes man. Guess he will spend bulk of his time at Ashton Gate persuading MA to stay. Worst of all worlds. In near despair over how our club is being run. So you’d already made your mind up how this was going to play out. Delighted to see you’ve already been proven wrong on the Ashton front. Now let’s hope you’re also wrong about Pearson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted April 13, 2021 Report Share Posted April 13, 2021 2 hours ago, Merrick's Marvels said: I know "the Midas Touch" has a different meaning now but if you go back to the original story, the king turning everything he touched to gold was about things going very, very wrong rather than, as it means now, going very, very right. Apologies if you're well up on your Greek Myths and knew that already but I was genuinely surprised when I discovered that. Here endeth the "well I never" lesson for today. Tbf most of the Greek myths are about things going very, very wrong! Pearson wasn't our manager for Boro. I don't care how much he waved his ego around in the dressing room or shone his aura down from the stands. It was a Simpson/Downing game and they get the credit for the 3 points. To pick up the Greek theme - Pearson would need to be pretty narcissistic to claim those points. His presence is clearly less than Achillean in the long run given the efforts of the players recently. On topic re Ashton leaving. Overall a good effort from Mark, the infrastructure and foundations of the club are better than when he arrived, the playing squad perhaps not so much. I won't forget the 6 week debacle after Johnson left, imo he probably should have left then as well. But hey ho, on to the next one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrick's Marvels Posted April 13, 2021 Report Share Posted April 13, 2021 6 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said: Pearson wasn't our manager for Boro. I don't care how much he waved his ego around in the dressing room or shone his aura down from the stands. No ego waving or aura shining involved at all. And I'm pretty sure Pearson himself is savvy enough not to take any credit for the Boro result. I was coming at it from a player's view point - I'm 100% convinced that, knowing a new manager was sat in the stands and knowing the reputation of that manager, those players were energised in a way that Holden, Simpson and Downing had been unable to energise them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted April 13, 2021 Report Share Posted April 13, 2021 28 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said: Tbf most of the Greek myths are about things going very, very wrong! Pearson wasn't our manager for Boro. I don't care how much he waved his ego around in the dressing room or shone his aura down from the stands. It was a Simpson/Downing game and they get the credit for the 3 points. To pick up the Greek theme - Pearson would need to be pretty narcissistic to claim those points. His presence is clearly less than Achillean in the long run given the efforts of the players recently. On topic re Ashton leaving. Overall a good effort from Mark, the infrastructure and foundations of the club are better than when he arrived, the playing squad perhaps not so much. I won't forget the 6 week debacle after Johnson left, imo he probably should have left then as well. But hey ho, on to the next one. Genuine question. What part of the infrastructure and foundations, which were in Ashton’s control, are better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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