Coppello Posted April 13, 2021 Report Share Posted April 13, 2021 It really is a summer of sink or swim for the club and it really could Lansdown's last roll of the dice. As he said, he's not getting any younger and the talk of welcoming external investors is the first signs that I've seen that he is thinking of the future of Bristol City with less of an involvement from the Lansdown family. The club has become a lot more corporate since Ashton has been involved with many negative sides to this but I don't think him moving on is the panacea for City. We need to bring in someone who is highly regarded in the football community and hopefully have more segregation between the football operations/recruitment and the commercial side of the club. Although we shouldn't necessarily build the club around him, Lansdown should welcome the view of Pearson when restructuring the club as he's been in the game for a long time and at the top level. The flaws within our recruitment and medical departments will be glaringly obvious to him and its key we get it right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadredfred Posted April 13, 2021 Report Share Posted April 13, 2021 1 hour ago, DaveF said: Leaves on the 31st of May so presumably we will have a replacement starting shortly after then. Are you suggesting a rigorous 6 week interview process Dave? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted April 13, 2021 Report Share Posted April 13, 2021 Just now, Red Exile said: Fair enough. All I can say is that I've been involved in hundreds of interviews and appointments. I can't recall a single occasion in which we gave a job to someone we knew to be incapable simply because they spoke well on the day. I know it sits badly with some posters on here but the reality is that Lee Johnson, Mark Ashton and Dean Holden were all controversial appointments for a reason. Many doubted their talents. Many were proved right. It must be tough to have been proved wrong! It feels to me that the stables are swept. An era of overselling and overconfidence is gone, an era in which supporters were patronised and often treated like ignorant fools. The big question is what comes next. There we are in the hands of SL, whose track record is, sadly, poor. I never said he was "known to be incapable". no one could know that for sure at the time. I suggested it was appointing someone without experience who seemed to know what was required and appeared to have a good plan to do so based upon having been at the club and knowing better than any external candidate what the problems were. Not denying it was a gamble, it wasn't my choice and it didn't work - I'm just not taking the side of conspiracy in his appointment. I'm not sure anyone was proved right about their doubts appointing LJ. he kept us up, went on to take us to a cup semi-final (beating the holders and several prem clubs on the way) and established our place in the Championship for one of the longest stays in our history. He "failed" on getting us promoted, but he still achieved something here that no one else could other than his Dad in the last 30 years that I've been supporting City. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Hankey Posted April 13, 2021 Report Share Posted April 13, 2021 Just had a quick look on the Ipswich forum & they seem to be dismissing the majority of opinions on Ashton from this site, which they are more than entitled to do......however the bit that struck me was how some of their fans believe he will be making mega bucks from player sells - not fully sure how they think they are going to achieve that when they are muddling in League 1 with no good players to sell on at a profit. The likes of Flint, Bobby Reid, Kodjia & Joe Bryan were already at the club before he arrived (fair enough to him on Webster & Brownhill - who even then i don’t think we got enough for) so it’s not like he unlocked hidden gems, but he did some savvy business on some deals, would of rather they tried holding out for more on Webster especially when £8 million of that went on a rather underwhelming Kalas. They are certainly welcome to him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Team Posted April 13, 2021 Report Share Posted April 13, 2021 I found his statement interesting in that he thanks the Lansdown family and the staff but not the fans. Maybe the feeling is mutual?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveF Posted April 13, 2021 Report Share Posted April 13, 2021 5 minutes ago, deadredfred said: Are you suggesting a rigorous 6 week interview process Dave? I'd expect nothing less Fred! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quedgeley Exile Posted April 13, 2021 Report Share Posted April 13, 2021 But is he going to to deal with any signings etc before he goes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted April 13, 2021 Report Share Posted April 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, One Team said: I found his statement interesting in that he thanks the Lansdown family and the staff but not the fans. Maybe the feeling is mutual?! Can you blame him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tin Soldier Posted April 13, 2021 Report Share Posted April 13, 2021 1 minute ago, One Team said: I found his statement interesting in that he thanks the Lansdown family and the staff but not the fans. Maybe the feeling is mutual?! Agreed. Says it all IMO. Ashton really did take us all as “punters”. He had absolutely no connection with the fans, infact I got the impression he saw us all as a bit of a nuisance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbie Posted April 13, 2021 Report Share Posted April 13, 2021 17 minutes ago, Davefevs said: He’s not. He’s the Chairman (and holds Director status). Out of interest, how much do you think he contributes to the day to day running of the football club....as opposed to other roles he performs for Bristol Sport. He most definitely errs towards “kit” and “branding”. His LinkedIn profile says he’s the MD. No major surprise he can’t get that right either then. I personally think he has very little contribution to anything at the club. He has a senior role to justify a high salary, for tax purposes. SL knows how to play that game that’s for sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Exile Posted April 13, 2021 Report Share Posted April 13, 2021 7 minutes ago, MarcusX said: I never said he was "known to be incapable". no one could know that for sure at the time. I suggested it was appointing someone without experience who seemed to know what was required and appeared to have a good plan to do so based upon having been at the club and knowing better than any external candidate what the problems were. Not denying it was a gamble, it wasn't my choice and it didn't work - I'm just not taking the side of conspiracy in his appointment. I'm not sure anyone was proved right about their doubts appointing LJ. he kept us up, went on to take us to a cup semi-final (beating the holders and several prem clubs on the way) and established our place in the Championship for one of the longest stays in our history. He "failed" on getting us promoted, but he still achieved something here that no one else could other than his Dad in the last 30 years that I've been supporting City. I fear we completely disagree - which is fine on a football forum! I knew Dean Holden wasn't the man for the job. I was 100% certain. I wasn't alone. I knew Lee Johnson had outstayed his welcome long before he went. I was 100% certain we were never going to get promoted under him. I wasn't alone in that either. I'd have sacked him after that losing streak that followed the cup run. It's frustrating that it takes time for Steve Lansdown to catch up....but there we go! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturny Posted April 13, 2021 Report Share Posted April 13, 2021 12 minutes ago, One Team said: I found his statement interesting in that he thanks the Lansdown family and the staff but not the fans. Maybe the feeling is mutual?! I mean... I don't blame him really. We have been quite bitter I must admit. Goodbye! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Robin Posted April 13, 2021 Report Share Posted April 13, 2021 Pearson to replace Ashton and Robbins or another comes in as manager? Just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted April 13, 2021 Report Share Posted April 13, 2021 52 minutes ago, Enter Sandman said: I’ll miss his beard. Hang on , I know a guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrick's Marvels Posted April 13, 2021 Report Share Posted April 13, 2021 23 minutes ago, eardun said: My only concern is the timing of this. We have a load of contract negotiations to sort out (be they current out of contract players or new recruits) and no one to do this as far as I can see. If Walsh is going to replace Ashton (see the other thread), I only hope that we can get him in earlier than 31 May. If Walsh isn't available, I have a concern that Pearson may not commit until he knows who is going to be Ashton’s replacement. Certainly needs sorting pronto, doesn't it. We can only hope wheels have been in motion for a while. A few comments on here in the last couple of weeks suggesting this is the case - fingers crossed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted April 13, 2021 Report Share Posted April 13, 2021 11 minutes ago, MarcusX said: Can you blame him? That’s not the point, is it? You know if you take this sort of job you have to say things like that. I manage a pretty large team, when anyone on it leaves, whether I liked them or not, if I thought they were good or not, I send a public acknowledgment to the whole team thanking them for their time. It’s what you do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted April 13, 2021 Report Share Posted April 13, 2021 Just now, Red Exile said: I fear we completely disagree - which is fine on a football forum! I knew Dean Holden wasn't the man for the job. I was 100% certain. I wasn't alone. I knew Lee Johnson had outstayed his welcome long before he went. I was 100% certain we were never going to get promoted under him. I wasn't alone in that either. I'd have sacked him after that losing streak that followed the cup run. It's frustrating that it takes time for Steve Lansdown to catch up....but there we go! No worries, would be a boring place if we all agreed. I never thought he was the "right" man (or certainly not the best on paper/experience) either and certainly not who I wanted but I was willing to give him a chance. As I said I just don't buy into the conspiracy of "yes men", outside interfence and such like. I think he started well, had a huge challenge with injuries, clearly issues behind the scenes with the comments about players unhappy with medical treatment and never had his best 11 to pick from. That is all kind of backed up by the way Pearson has struggled since coming in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milo1111 Posted April 13, 2021 Report Share Posted April 13, 2021 4 minutes ago, Red Exile said: I fear we completely disagree - which is fine on a football forum! I knew Dean Holden wasn't the man for the job. I was 100% certain. I wasn't alone. I knew Lee Johnson had outstayed his welcome long before he went. I was 100% certain we were never going to get promoted under him. I wasn't alone in that either. I'd have sacked him after that losing streak that followed the cup run. It's frustrating that it takes time for Steve Lansdown to catch up....but there we go! This all day long. Lansdown nowhere near ruthless enough with managers. Which is why we’ll never achieve anything of note whilst he holds power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted April 13, 2021 Report Share Posted April 13, 2021 1 minute ago, GrahamC said: That’s not the point, is it? You know if you take this sort of job you have to say things like that. I manage a pretty large team, when anyone on it leaves, whether I liked them or not, if I thought they were good or not, I send a public acknowledgment to the whole team thanking them for their time. It’s what you do. But if you left, and 90% of the team had turned on you calling for your head for months would you go out of your way to thank them for their support? The answer's probably yes as I assume you're a professional but you couldn't be blamed if you didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrick's Marvels Posted April 13, 2021 Report Share Posted April 13, 2021 18 minutes ago, One Team said: I found his statement interesting in that he thanks the Lansdown family and the staff but not the fans. Maybe the feeling is mutual?! I hope so because it means he's aware of the genuine antipathy a lot of people feel for him. "Antipathy" being just one word you could use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecretSam Posted April 13, 2021 Report Share Posted April 13, 2021 Who's everyone going to hate now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Team Posted April 13, 2021 Report Share Posted April 13, 2021 17 minutes ago, MarcusX said: Can you blame him? No but it would be the norm to do so irrespective. 17 minutes ago, GasDestroyer said: Agreed. Says it all IMO. Ashton really did take us all as “punters”. He had absolutely no connection with the fans, infact I got the impression he saw us all as a bit of a nuisance. Out of like mate completely agree! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecretSam Posted April 13, 2021 Report Share Posted April 13, 2021 21 minutes ago, One Team said: I found his statement interesting in that he thanks the Lansdown family and the staff but not the fans. Maybe the feeling is mutual?! TBH, his role wasn't "fan facing" - he's not part of football affairs, so why would he thank the fans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Team Posted April 13, 2021 Report Share Posted April 13, 2021 1 minute ago, SecretSam said: Who's everyone going to hate now? Callum O’Dowda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selred Posted April 13, 2021 Report Share Posted April 13, 2021 8 minutes ago, Top Robin said: Pearson to replace Ashton and Robbins or another comes in as manager? Just a thought. Manager and CEO are VERY different roles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecretSam Posted April 13, 2021 Report Share Posted April 13, 2021 8 minutes ago, Top Robin said: Pearson to replace Ashton and Robbins or another comes in as manager? Just a thought. Nope. What people on here forget is that Ashton was CEO - Pearson wouldn't have a clue how to run the wider football club. DoF, perhaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Team Posted April 13, 2021 Report Share Posted April 13, 2021 1 minute ago, SecretSam said: TBH, his role wasn't "fan facing" - he's not part of football affairs, so why would he thank the fans? True although I would’ve thought it’s the done thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecretSam Posted April 13, 2021 Report Share Posted April 13, 2021 Just now, One Team said: True although I would’ve thought it’s the done thing. So, if one of the grounds staff leaves, (s)he'd thank the fans? Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Watts Posted April 13, 2021 Report Share Posted April 13, 2021 59 minutes ago, TheJudge07 said: He culled Steve Cotterill which never made me warm to him. He arrived 2 days after Cotterill as part of a restructure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLRed Posted April 13, 2021 Report Share Posted April 13, 2021 Anyone know if he was fired and compo was given or whether the club made money from ipswich *ahem* stealing him away? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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