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7 minutes ago, reddoh said:

A data dashboard is an information management tool that visually tracks, analyzes and displays key performance indicators (KPI), metrics and key data points to monitor the health of a business, department or specific process. They are customizable to meet the specific needs of a department and company. 

A load of nonsensical rubbish then, that isn’t actually used in any field, but is said to sound clever. 

Sounds like Ashton, oh wait, we are talking about Ashton. Total crap.

I mean, if you were an actual data scientist.. ahh I’m not even going to finish it, tipsy and getting all hot and sweaty over Ashton again, that’s enough for me tonight.

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16 minutes ago, Banned User said:

A load of nonsensical rubbish then, that isn’t actually used in any field, but is said to sound clever. 

Sounds like Ashton, oh wait, we are talking about Ashton. Total crap.

I mean, if you were an actual data scientist.. ahh I’m not even going to finish it, tipsy and getting all hot and sweaty over Ashton again, that’s enough for me tonight.

Sceptic of data in football recruitment methods or sceptic of Ashton's use of data recruitment methods in football?

Ashton aside, as a data developer who knows data science where do you stand on it. Data and recruitment in football.

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5 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Sceptic of data in football recruitment methods or sceptic of Ashton's use of data recruitment methods in football?

as we used to say rubbish in rubbish out (different word used)

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3 hours ago, Street red said:

I'm not worried about what Ipswich fans say we are just explaining our concern to them. If they want to slag us off for the amount of history we have or should feel lucky to be in the championship that's up to them this about how Bristol city has been left, This is about us Bristol city fans being absolutely B******** to in the last 5 years we are not laughing at them but the fact I'm/we are laughing at Ashton for totally repeating how hes failed at our football club.. !!!  If they think he's god's gift then that's up to them.. But hes not not welcome back anytime soon !!!

As he’s no longer a director of a football club, perhaps we will refuse him entry should we have to play Ipswich in future.

47 minutes ago, Banned User said:

As a software developer that knows, some, data science… He’s a c***, probably doesn’t even know what discrete math is, total show pony.

I can’t even imagine how it must feel for someone else in his direct field to hear the shit he comes out with? Data dashboard? What does that even mean? It’s just nonsensical crap.

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39 minutes ago, reddoh said:

A data dashboard is an information management tool that visually tracks, analyzes and displays key performance indicators (KPI), metrics and key data points to monitor the health of a business, department or specific process. They are customizable to meet the specific needs of a department and company. 

I can’t believe the flow of information is regular enough to require a dashboard as MA suggests.  Makes it sound more clever than it is.  It’s not like share prices or call centre volume type stuff is it.

He’s a bluffer, trying to bring outside stuff into football without any real necessity….at least not in recruitment.  Operations management, indeed, Dashboards have their place.

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8 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Sceptic of data in football recruitment methods or sceptic of Ashton's use of data recruitment methods in football?

Ashton aside, as a data developer who knows data science where do you stand on it. Data and recruitment in football.

To clarify, I’m not working in that field, but there are some overlaps and I need to know a, somewhat, adequate amount to be able to work efficiently with other departments.

With that being said, data is great, it’s amazing. Without getting too philosophical, the universe can be broken down in to numbers, so in theory (or at least what the data scientists like to preach) data can be used in any and every situation (as long as it’s used correctly).

As you say, in football it is becoming more popular. Although difficult at first to filter through the crap, if you can use the data well then the world is your oyster, Brentford seemed to be the leader in quality data.. others have followed since.

My scepticism is completely on Ashton. I may be wrong, but as @Davefevssays, you’d use a ‘dashboard’ for information that changes. It’s an overview, you see variations and then you go in to further detail using actual science. What he says just doesn’t make any sense, to me at least. 

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47 minutes ago, Banned User said:

To clarify, I’m not working in that field, but there are some overlaps and I need to know a, somewhat, adequate amount to be able to work efficiently with other departments.

With that being said, data is great, it’s amazing. Without getting too philosophical, the universe can be broken down in to numbers, so in theory (or at least what the data scientists like to preach) data can be used in any and every situation (as long as it’s used correctly).

As you say, in football it is becoming more popular. Although difficult at first to filter through the crap, if you can use the data well then the world is your oyster, Brentford seemed to be the leader in quality data.. others have followed since.

My scepticism is completely on Ashton. I may be wrong, but as @Davefevssays, you’d use a ‘dashboard’ for information that changes. It’s an overview, you see variations and then you go in to further detail using actual science. What he says just doesn’t make any sense, to me at least. 

As somebody who works in the field (though soon to retire thank God!) I entirely agree. Though I doubt any of my data science colleagues would make such an absolute claim.

As the saying goes, data is not information, information is not knowledge, knowledge is not wisdom.

I suspect Ashton is deficient in at least two of those.

 

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9 minutes ago, Son of Fred said:

Mark one eyeball....

Indeed not to be underestimated.

100%.

Didn’t Chris Wilder say for Sheffield United to try to replicate it they would need to employ over 100 scouts?

Pretty sure Brighton buy some of the data from Benham’s company?

Their investment in this area is enormous & I think partially explains why they have no Academy.
 

 

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1 minute ago, chinapig said:

As somebody who works in the field (though soon to retire thank God!) I entirely agree. Though I doubt any of my data science colleagues would make such an absolute claim.

As the saying goes, data is not information, information is not knowledge, knowledge is not wisdom.

I suspect Ashton is deficient in at least two of those.

 

Off topic, I’m actually going back to University, any suggestions re Data Science, any specific course or field you’d recommend I look in to? I have some freedom over modules and I’m definitely interested to get deeper in this area.

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2 hours ago, Lrrr said:

Mark ‘I’m not involved in recruitment’ Ashton 

I know…..he loves the thrill of recruitment, the boosting of his ego.  I was surprised how much he said “he will be leading”.  Good luck Ipswich.

1 hour ago, Crackers Corner said:

I thought that's how you get your porn star name?

Joe 90 Steak McCoys isn’t gonna get me many roles is it.  Yes my first budgie was called Joe 90.  

1 hour ago, billywedlock said:

 

Brentford is on a different level. They have a proprietary data model , not a standard set up. The area people underestimate is the extensive scouting network Brentford use. The data is used to filter for "Brentford " players, but that is the filtering process. It is not the decision process. What follows is eyeballs on the players and extensive background checks. It is an impressive set up, and the data model a closely guarded set up. We, and others use data that many can access. That we then had no idea what playing approach the club was using meant we were searching in the dark with the data available .clearly we had little in terms of player final screening , that was evident last season.  Simplistically , for me, I think I can pretty much know what attributes a Liverpool , Man City new signing will have, heck, I extend that to Brentford too. So when we are linked to a player like Smith , I can safely say he is a player Brentford would never sign. 

Data is useful, but only if you know you have the correct data , and know how to apply it to what you are trying to achieve. 

The good thing for Ipswich , is that Cook will be far more vocal in his needs and be clear on what he wants to do  and will not stand for any nonsense. 

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36 minutes ago, Son of Fred said:

Mark one eyeball....

Indeed not to be underestimated.

And also how they quickly pivoted around Brexit, stopping scouting in French Ligue 2 for example.

30 minutes ago, Banned User said:

Off topic, I’m actually going back to University, any suggestions re Data Science, any specific course or field you’d recommend I look in to? I have some freedom over modules and I’m definitely interested to get deeper in this area.

football….then you can become City’s head of technical recruitment.

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18 minutes ago, Banned User said:

Off topic, I’m actually going back to University, any suggestions re Data Science, any specific course or field you’d recommend I look in to? I have some freedom over modules and I’m definitely interested to get deeper in this area.

My role is mostly in the extraction of data from databases and converting it into usable tables and views, mostly using SQL. I am not a data scientist but some of my colleagues are so I wouldn't want to point you in the wrong direction.

I assume any decent course would include programming, data analysis, statistical methods and data visualisation though.

I wouldn't necessarily look to specialise in the application to any given field. I have colleagues who have worked for instance in quantum mechanics, solar power, education, finance and medicine. In other words their skills are transferable so they get the chance to work in all sorts of fields.

But as I say, I am not sufficiently expert to advise with authority. Maybe a site like Github might be a useful resource? Online communities are often full of helpful material and people I have found.

Very best wishes in your future studies!

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22 minutes ago, chinapig said:

My role is mostly in the extraction of data from databases and converting it into usable tables and views, mostly using SQL. I am not a data scientist but some of my colleagues are so I wouldn't want to point you in the wrong direction.

I assume any decent course would include programming, data analysis, statistical methods and data visualisation though.

I wouldn't necessarily look to specialise in the application to any given field. I have colleagues who have worked for instance in quantum mechanics, solar power, education, finance and medicine. In other words their skills are transferable so they get the chance to work in all sorts of fields.

But as I say, I am not sufficiently expert to advise with authority. Maybe a site like Github might be a useful resource? Online communities are often full of helpful material and people I have found.

Very best wishes in your future studies!

Thanks for the advice. I agree with what you’ve said, I think I know what I want to do, I already work as a SWE anyway.

I thought there’s no harm in asking for any additional help, and I’m very grateful for your time, I’m not arrogant enough to assume I know everything, not quite yet anyway!

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27 minutes ago, chinapig said:

But as I say, I am not sufficiently expert to advise with authority. Maybe a site like Github might be a useful resource? Online communities are often full of helpful material and people I have found.

Back on topic, Isn’t that Mark Ashtons social network?

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1 hour ago, Banned User said:

Thanks for the advice. I agree with what you’ve said, I think I know what I want to do, I already work as a SWE anyway.

I thought there’s no harm in asking for any additional help, and I’m very grateful for your time, I’m not arrogant enough to assume I know everything, not quite yet anyway!

Ah, I see, you are already half way there then! Looks like you have a great attitude (if that doesn't sound patronising) so you will succeed I'm sure.

If I wasn't so old I would follow the same path as you!

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2 hours ago, billywedlock said:

Indeed, and is why I wanted to point out it is too simplistic to say use data and copy, say Brentford. Brentford set out a strategy, and believed in it and followed through. The owner invested a lot, but small change to what SL has done these last 20 years. We cannot copy it , because they have many facets that you cannot easily access. It is a great example though of taking a different approach and believing it it all the way through. Along with Leicester winning the league, these are my personal non City football highlights of the last decade. Some seem to get agitated if you reference others who have succeeded, and instead point to those that failed to say we are not doing bad. We have been pitiful, 50 teams have now got to the Prem, we are not one of them. If you cannot accept that, and look to understand what others have done, then you are foolish. Our approach has not worked. So it is clearly wrong. Sorry.. I am off on ot now.. But we could not even be intelligent enough to look at our best performances/sides of the last decades, those of GJ and SC and learn from what made those work so well. There are many elements there that we will now see return (it seems) with NP. Ok, back to my Sunday espresso . 

Benham also tried lots of things at Midjtilland (however you spell it) that didn’t work.  That was his test bed.

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18 hours ago, Davefevs said:

As he’s no longer a director of a football club, perhaps we will refuse him entry should we have to play Ipswich in future.

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I can’t believe the flow of information is regular enough to require a dashboard as MA suggests.  Makes it sound more clever than it is.  It’s not like share prices or call centre volume type stuff is it.

He’s a bluffer, trying to bring outside stuff into football without any real necessity….at least not in recruitment.  Operations management, indeed, Dashboards have their place.

Let's hope it's a while yet and he never gets that chance and hopefully we will be in the prem two steps ahead and them still in league 1 ?

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34 minutes ago, Hampshire reds said:

Data on a player. what aload of crap. go out and watch players. can you imagine clough . Sir Alex and many others picking players because of some data.

I don't think anyone has picked a player solely based on data.

MA and LJ did explain a few times the process, the data gives them insights and areas to look at to whittle down who to look at. The data is never the whole thing. 

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