Kid in the Riot Posted April 14, 2021 Report Share Posted April 14, 2021 @Harry you do probably need to get this list into "the club" and also outline your credentials and ability to advise going forwards. I think there should be a role there in recruitment taken from a fans' perspective. May sound bonkers to some, but it's been done before i.e. the club acting on supporters recommendations of players going all the way back to Danny Wilson's reign. We've also seen loads of amateur football data analysts (some of them literally children!) from twitter land scouting jobs at professional football clubs in England & Scotland - most famously Ashwin Raman, a 17 year old who scouts for Dundee United from India! I say "the club", I'd send it straight to Nige and/or his agent Dean Eldredge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeAman08 Posted April 14, 2021 Report Share Posted April 14, 2021 @Davefevs Have any info on Ro-Shaun Williams at Shrewsbury? Plays regularly for them and seems the athletic ball winning type I think Kalas needs next to him. OOC in summer I think. Came through at Man U Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted April 14, 2021 Report Share Posted April 14, 2021 12 minutes ago, Harry said: Yes mate. Look again - he’s on the opening post . On the long list. A plan C if you can’t get either Mowatt or Sheaf in the deeper role. There are a couple of other Millers I’d at least do some further digging on....Ben Wiles - midfielder who can play LWB, and Matthew Olusunde, RB, who can play RCB / RW, who’s out of contract this summer. I’ve cooled a bit on Nyambe (still v.interested though). If Rotherham get relegated they could be easy pickings. If we didn’t have a plethora of 30 year old strikers and we wanted a target man as an option, could do a lot worse than M.Smith too. Others to think about: - Wednesday, gonna be relegated, Iorfa (25), big imposing CB who can play a bit. Year left on contract. - I like Djed Spence (RB) at Boro, but don’t think we’d get him away from Boro at a sensible price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted April 14, 2021 Report Share Posted April 14, 2021 8 minutes ago, JoeAman08 said: @Davefevs Have any info on Ro-Shaun Williams at Shrewsbury? Plays regularly for them and seems the athletic ball winning type I think Kalas needs next to him. OOC in summer I think. Came through at Man U I’m still building my division by division dashboards by position. I haven’t done Lg1 Defender dashes yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecretSam Posted April 14, 2021 Report Share Posted April 14, 2021 4 hours ago, Kid in the Riot said: Done very well for himself has Del, and still only 28 can you believe! And making his debut for LA Galaxy this weekend. Great move for him. Apparently he has an American passport (along with Irish and German!) which made it a no-brainer for him. Is he a spy?!?!?! WTF?!?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrick's Marvels Posted April 14, 2021 Report Share Posted April 14, 2021 34 minutes ago, JoeAman08 said: @Davefevs Have any info on Ro-Shaun Williams at Shrewsbury? Plays regularly for them and seems the athletic ball winning type I think Kalas needs next to him. OOC in summer I think. Came through at Man U And Pearson and/or Walsh have a history of picking up good cast offs from there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecretSam Posted April 14, 2021 Report Share Posted April 14, 2021 Great work by @Harry. Some real opportunities there, and wages should be lower for many - as others have said, Chumbawumba on £39k is insane, he's not worth that per annum. Does anyone else think that the number of OOC players was a deliberate ploy, knowing that there would be a buyers' market in the summer due to COVID? Apologies if this gives MA some credit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted April 14, 2021 Report Share Posted April 14, 2021 I've always liked Rothwell when he's played against us, definitely one I'd be looking at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superjack Posted April 14, 2021 Report Share Posted April 14, 2021 Wycombe's Kashket has looked lively whenever I have seen him this season. Saying that, his goals record isn't much cop. Might be another Liam Robinson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted April 14, 2021 Report Share Posted April 14, 2021 23 minutes ago, SecretSam said: Great work by @Harry. Some real opportunities there, and wages should be lower for many - as others have said, Chumbawumba on £39k is insane, he's not worth that per annum. Does anyone else think that the number of OOC players was a deliberate ploy, knowing that there would be a buyers' market in the summer due to COVID? Apologies if this gives MA some credit. Yep....and I don’t have a problem per se with that....a lot of sense on the face of it. Can hide behind Covid. Ashton But..... ....failed to think about the motivational impact of such a strategy on those despite Covid. Ashton ....failed to think about the motivational impact if you start offering lucrative contracts to a player but say you can’t afford others. Ashton So, I’d say Ashton might understand the “market” but doesn’t understand the psyche of a “footballer” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted April 14, 2021 Author Report Share Posted April 14, 2021 1 hour ago, JoeAman08 said: @Davefevs Have any info on Ro-Shaun Williams at Shrewsbury? Plays regularly for them and seems the athletic ball winning type I think Kalas needs next to him. OOC in summer I think. Came through at Man U I’ve been taking a good look at Ro-Shaun and seeing he was ooc I looked a bit deeper. Like you, I’d seen him a few times and he impressed me - against us last season for one! However, he is very hit and miss. He does make quite a lot of errors and Shrews fans much prefer Aaron Pierre (another one who’s been linked with us in the past). He’s still got growth in him and he might be a champ level CB in the long run, but he’s not someone I’d look at right now. Decent shout though Joe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carey 6 Posted April 14, 2021 Report Share Posted April 14, 2021 1 hour ago, Davefevs said: There are a couple of other Millers I’d at least do some further digging on....Ben Wiles - midfielder who can play LWB, and Matthew Olusunde, RB, who can play RCB / RW, who’s out of contract this summer. I’ve cooled a bit on Nyambe (still v.interested though). If Rotherham get relegated they could be easy pickings. If we didn’t have a plethora of 30 year old strikers and we wanted a target man as an option, could do a lot worse than M.Smith too. Others to think about: - Wednesday, gonna be relegated, Iorfa (25), big imposing CB who can play a bit. Year left on contract. - I like Djed Spence (RB) at Boro, but don’t think we’d get him away from Boro at a sensible price. Nyambe is a no brainer for me, plenty of experience at the level, been impressed pretty much every time I've seen him play and their fans seem disappointed he's going. Also take Chapman dependant on the sort of fee they'll be after! Have a look at Boro fans opinions on Spence. Noticed quite a few I follow slagging him off the past few months. Young though, still plenty of time to improve. Iorfa always looked decent at Wolves I reckon, not seen too much of him at Wed, can't believe he's only 25, seems as though he's been around for years! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redapple Posted April 14, 2021 Report Share Posted April 14, 2021 Excellent Post . Bloody brilliant. I enjoyed reading that. I’m only aware of a few of the guys mentioned. But shows every reason for optimism . I hope somebody in the know reads it and forwards or copies to SL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tin Posted April 14, 2021 Report Share Posted April 14, 2021 13 minutes ago, Carey 6 said: Nyambe is a no brainer for me, plenty of experience at the level, been impressed pretty much every time I've seen him play and their fans seem disappointed he's going. Also take Chapman dependant on the sort of fee they'll be after! Have a look at Boro fans opinions on Spence. Noticed quite a few I follow slagging him off the past few months. Young though, still plenty of time to improve. Iorfa always looked decent at Wolves I reckon, not seen too much of him at Wed, can't believe he's only 25, seems as though he's been around for years! Nyambe would top my list of RBs, too, with Olusunde second choice. I'd be happy with either of those. If we're in the market for a LB, Sorinola at MK is well worth a look IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carey 6 Posted April 14, 2021 Report Share Posted April 14, 2021 17 minutes ago, tin said: Nyambe would top my list of RBs, too, with Olusunde second choice. I'd be happy with either of those. If we're in the market for a LB, Sorinola at MK is well worth a look IMO. I've banged on about him for a while on the transfer forum. He looks very good. I believe he's actually right footed but plays at LB. Would be a great option as presumably could cover both positions if needed. Very Jay Dasilva-esque but with a better delivery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLRed Posted April 14, 2021 Report Share Posted April 14, 2021 What ever happened to that centre back at Ipswich on loan from arsenal? So say very comfortable on the ball and very promising. Forget his name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted April 14, 2021 Report Share Posted April 14, 2021 Just now, BOSRed said: What ever happened to that centre back at Ipswich on loan from arsenal? So say very comfortable on the ball and very promising. Forget his name. Mark McGuinness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeAman08 Posted April 14, 2021 Report Share Posted April 14, 2021 Some young ones to keep an eye on are Ricky Jade Jones at Peterbrough and Caleb Chukwuemeka at Northampton(played against us in cup early on). Don’t think ready for championship yet but like what I have seen in their clips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazred Posted April 14, 2021 Report Share Posted April 14, 2021 Mentioned him before but Dabo at Cov for a right back? Good age, came through the Chelsea system. Had a very good season with them as they got promoted, not sure how he has got on this year in the Champ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLRed Posted April 14, 2021 Report Share Posted April 14, 2021 53 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Mark McGuinness That’s the one. Worth a look? Not sure if he’s champ ready or still one for future. Clips look good but obvs aren’t the whole story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoyalRed Posted April 14, 2021 Report Share Posted April 14, 2021 15 hours ago, Harry said: This may get moved to the Transfer Forum but I'll post here initially as the departure of Ashton may open up a different approach to recruitment this summer, so it's quite topical. We have 14 players in the first team squad who are out of contract and coming off the wage bill (including the loans of Mawson & Sessegnon). This is a huge opportunity to completely reshape the squad in one window. We’ve heard Steve Lansdown say that covid-finances will make things tricky, and we’ve heard Pearson say that we will need to be very “clever” in the transfer market. With this in mind, I thought I’d put together a ‘long-list’ and then shorten this down, of what I’d think are realistic (some semi-realistic) targets within the budget, but also trying to play the free agency market as best we can, and also utilising Pearson’s contacts and influence (these elements are the ‘clever’ that Pearson alludes). The OOC players should free up anywhere in the region of £6.5 to £8m in wages. I don’t think we’d need to spend anywhere close to that for replacements and upgrades. Out of Contract – approx. £130k - £150k pw These are approximate salaries, but I don’t think they’d be too far off the mark judging by most sources. Mawson CB £30k pw, Diedhiou ST £20k, Baker CB £19k, Weimann FW £18k, Lansbury CM £15k, Hunt RB £13k, Watkins FW £12k, Mariappa CB £5k, Paterson AM £7k, Walsh CM £6k, Adelakun RW £5k, Rowe LB £3.5k, Simpson RB £3k, Sessegnon RB £2k, Gilmartin GK £1k For players on the 'long list', I've broken them down into a few categories : Championship Experienced – Out of Contract Adam Reach 28 – LW – Sheff Weds £23k pw Andre Wisdom 27 – RB – Derby £27k pw Ryan Nyambe 23 – RB – Blackburn £4.5k pw Joe Rothwell 26 – CM – Blackburn £4.5k pw Cyrus Christie 28 – RB – Fulham £20k pw Nick Powell 27 – AM – Stoke £15k pw Britt Assombalonga 28 – ST – Middlesbrough £39k pw Ashley Fletcher 25 – ST – Middlesbrough £15k pw Alex Mowett 26 – CM – Barnsley £6.5k pw Prem Loanees/Others – Out of Contract Josh Knight 23 – CB – Leicester / Wycombe £4.5k pw Leo Ostigard 21 – CB – Brighton / Coventry £4.5k pw Izzy Brown 24 – AM – Chelsea / Sheff Weds £20k pw Ben Sheaf 23 – DM – Arsenal /Coventry £5k pw Callum Wright 20 – CM – Leicester / Cheltenham Taylor Richards 20 – AM – Brighton / Doncaster £7.5k pw Scott Twine 21 – AM – Swindon Reece Burke 24 – CB – Hull £3.5k pw Alfie Jones 23 – DM – Hull £2.5k pw Prem Loanees this season with potential Champ level loan next season Matty James 29 – CM – Leicester / Coventry £30k pw James Garner 20 – CM – Man Utd / Forest £9.5k pw Matt Clarke 24 – CB – Brighton / Derby £21k pw Luke McCormick 22 – CM – Chelsea / Rovers Dion Sanderson 21 – CB – Wolves / Sunderland Victor Gyokeres 22 – ST – Brighton / Coventry Ryan Longman 20 – RW – Brighton / Wimbledon Trevor Chalobah 21 – CB – Chelsea / France Timothy Eyoma 21 – RB – Spurs / Lincoln Harvey Elliott 18 – RW – Liverpool / Blackburn Kiernan Dewsbury-Hall 22 – DM – Leicester / Luton Ryan Giles 21 – LW – Wolves / Rotherham £2k pw Jake Clarke-Salter 23 – CB – Chelsea / Birmingham Dan Ballard 21 – CB – Arsenal / Blackpool Champ Players in Contract at ‘lesser attractive’ clubs, but worth a fee Ryan Woods 27 – DM – Stoke £15k pw Lewis O’Brien 22 – CM – Huddersfield £5k pw Tom Lawrence 27 – LW – Derby £27k pw (Pearson link) Jed Wallace 27 – RW – Millwall £12k pw Callum O’Hare 22 – AM – Coventry £10k pw Jamie Lindsay 25 – CM – Rotherham £2k pw Matt Crooks 27 – DM – Rotherham £2k pw L1/L2 Players in Contract, but worth a fee/punt Elliott Moore 24 – CB – Oxford Stephen Humphrys 23 – ST – Rochdale Jacob Greaves 20 – CB – Hull Luke Jephcott 21 – ST – Plymouth Jerry Yates 24 – ST – Blackpool Jack Tucker 21 – CB - Gillingham Matt Jay 25 – ST – Exeter Josh Key 21 – RB – Exeter Joel Randall 21 – LW - Exeter Random Foreigner Thomas Henry 26 – ST - Leuven For me, if we want to look at the Championship ready free agents, our top targets should be Joe Rothwell, Ryan Nyambe & Alex Mowatt. I think the rest of them will be too expensive a wage to justify. All 3 will have a number of suitors, but we ought to be having the discussion. The only other one would be Ashley Fletcher, currently on a more reasonable wage than some of the others – he’s not actually someone I’d personally go for, but he comes with good experience in this league. Looking at the current loanees from the Prem who are due to be free agents, and other free agents, I am most interested in Josh Knight, Leo Ostigard, Ben Sheaf, Taylor Richards, Scott Twine & Callum Wright. Josh Knight is an athletic 23 year old CB who has had a very good season at Wycombe, on loan from Leicester. When I watch him I get the same kind of vibe as I did when I watched Alfie Mawson in a Wycombe shirt back in 2013. Knight always seems to be around the ball, his positioning and awareness seem good, in fact he’s been quite unlucky as I’ve seen a number of goals conceded have seen him so nearly block it or it’s gone through his legs and ricocheted. He’s played a bit at DM as well and is decent enough on the ball as a CB. Being a Leicester player, I am certain Pearson will know all about his qualities, but I’ve seen various descriptions of him as a “Rolls Royce” and a “Ferrari” of a centre back. Leo Ostigard, 21, has been on loan at Coventry from Brighton and is a Norway u21. He’s a CB who has a tremendous leap on him and is very much a threat/target from set pieces. Likewise Ben Sheaf, 23, has also been on loan at Coventry from Arsenal. He’s a DM who’s played very well in his loan at Doncaster last year and progressed to the Champ this year. Apparently Cov had a fee agreed which was ‘obligatory’ at £750k, which is why they’ve not played him recently as I think it would trigger the fee. I’m unsure of his contract status as I thought he was OOC but given the fee I think he may have another year. Scott Twine is a 21 year old AM/Second Striker. He was on loan at Newport before returning to Swindon and has been putting in some great performances and scored some superb strikes. He’s got a great free kick on him too. He’s bright and breezy and a definite threat. An ideal replacement for Paterson’s role. Taylor Richards is a 20 year old AM/W on loan at Doncaster from Brighton. Brighton had signed him from Man City a couple of years ago for £2.5m. He’s done well in L1 this season, with goals and assists. His style is a bit of a mix of Palmer and Semenyo, but I think he’s got more talent than both, as long as he commits to it. He’s been said to be able to dribble a football in a phone box. Callum Wright is a 20 year old CM on loan at Cheltenham from Leicester, where he’s been skipper of the u23’s. He arrived on loan at Chelts at the end of the last window and has been magnificent so far, chipping in with 3 goals from CM already. Again, someone you’d hope Pearson knows a fair bit about. As side thoughts, both Reece Burke and Alfie Jones have been doing very well at Hull this year, and Jones is a Bristol boy. That’s the OOC market, now onto any current Prem loanees, who might either be available for loan again or worth an enquiry for purchase. Matty James and Matt Clarke will likely both be available for loan or purchase, but I think both have wages that I wouldn’t pay. Likewise James Garner would be a great loan signing but I wonder if Man U might allow him back to Forest or even want him loaned to the Prem next year. Luke McCormick is a 22 year old CM on loan at Rovers from Chelsea. Yes, he’s playing in an utter tripe gas side, but he’s been doing well by all accounts, and wouldn’t it be hilarious if he joined us next year, ha ha. Ryan Giles is a 21 year old left winger at Wolves. You may remember him tearing us open on numerous occasions when we played Shrewsbury last season. I like Giles, and he’ll no doubt be available for loan again next year. Dan Ballard is 21, a CB on loan from Arsenal to Blackpool. He’s been instrumental in Blackpool’s fantastic form that sees them vying for promotion. Very highly thought of at Arsenal, definitely a Champ loan beckons next season. Trevor Chalobah is an interesting one, 21 year old CB at Chelsea. Did well on loans to Ipswich, then Huddersfield, but he’s gone to France this season. Would Chelsea loan him to the Champ again next season? We then come to players who would cost. If we have a decent enough budget available, these players would interest me : Lewis O’Brien, 22, CM at Huddersfield. He’ll have 1 year left on his deal. I love O’Brien, such a tidy footballer. May have Prem interest, but I’d love us to be asking about him. Jed Wallace – again one year left this summer, could Millwall be willing to sell? I’ve always liked Wallace, makes things happen. Callum O’Hare, 22 year old AM at Coventry. He’s still got 2 years left, but if Cov get relegated I’m certain he’ll be leaving. Jamie Lindsay, 25, CM at Rotherham. An under-the-radar type who goes about his midfield business in a neat and steady fashion and works hard. Contract up next year and again, if Rotherham are relegated, can be picked up. Next we look at lower league ‘punts’. I use that term, but none of these are ‘punts’, I think they are all very capable players who could do a job in this league. The ‘punt’ element would more be in regard to how much they may cost in a transfer fee vs the gamble. Elliott Moore 24 – CB – Oxford. Big lad, 6ft 4ins, known to Pearson through Leicester & Leuven. Stephen Humphrys 23 – ST – Rochdale. I really like the look of this lad and had my eye on him a few years when back at Fulham. Started drawing serious attention when on loan at Southend and now at Rochdale and proving a real threat. He’s quick, strong, a powerful runner, has a bag of tricks and a hell of a strike on him. His style reminds me of a fitter, faster and more dedicated Tomlin. Jacob Greaves 20 – CB – Hull. Ex Cheltenham loanee, performing well for Hull this year. Luke Jephcott 21 – ST – Plymouth. Many already know of Jephcott’s record at Plymouth. He’ll have a number of Champ clubs interested. Jerry Yates 24 – ST – Blackpool. Likewise, lots of Champ clubs will be keen on Jerry. I think Yates links play better than Jephcott and is a bit quicker. Jack Tucker 21 – CB – Gillingham. In the same kind of mould as Josh Knight, above. He’s had interest from the old firm and I think he’s definitely leaving Gills this summer for a fee. We’ve then got 3 very good lads down the road at Exeter. Matt Jay 25 – ST, Josh Key 21 – RB, Joel Randall 21 – LW. All 3 are worth a shot, but Exeter drive a decent deal nowadays and all are under contract, so they won’t be normal L2 prices. We do need to establish a better relationship with Exeter though, as they continue to produce talent. Finally, a bit of a random shout, and unlikely, but we have Thomas Henry at Leuven, who Pearson signed when he was managing over there. Big striker, banging plenty of goals, great target man, with good control and tidy feet (for a big man!). Ideal Fam replacement. However, I think Leicester, through their joint ownership of Leuven, might be interested. That’s my long list, then whittled down to a shorter list. If it was me, here’s what I’d do. Release all of our Out of Contract players, freeing up around £7m-£8m in wages. I might keep Walsh, but only if he accepts the same wage he’s on. We are ok at left back, with Dasilva hopefully fit and can be backed up by Pring. At right back, we need 2. I’d try to attract Ryan Nyambe on a free and Josh Key from Exeter. Both are young and talented and can share the load at that position, lots of energy required so keeping them fit on rotation. At centre back, we have Kalas and then a need. Vyner is ok, and Moore is meh. I’d make Josh Knight a priority on a free from Leicester. Due to his age I’d guess there’d be compensation. As noted earlier, Pearson should know all about him and can use his influence at Leicester to attract him. I think we need one more there, and I’d target Leo Ostigard on a free (compensation). Failing that, I’d put in a bid for Elliott Moore and ask Arsenal for Dan Ballard on a season loan. In Centre Mid we have a decent-ish stock if all fit. Williams, Walsh & HNM should be a decent midfield. Behind that though, I don’t particularly rate the rest of our midfield. We should be asking serious questions to one of Rothwell or Mowatt. We should also look at more depth and I’d be keen on Ben Sheaf. In an ideal world I’d make Lewis O’Brien a priority, but I’m not hopeful on that one. If not Rothwell or Mowatt, I’d have a look at Jamie Lindsay for a fee and Callum Wright on loan. In the attacking midfield and wide positions, again I’m not convinced on our current options. Semenyo is likely best as wideman or wide striker, so I include him here, Palmer is hit and miss, O’Dowda is, well, yeah. I would already be talking to Scott Twine’s agent and get him in pronto. If Cov went down I’d enquire about Callum O’Hare’s fee. Failing that, I’d also give serious consideration to Taylor Richards. If we went for a 3-pronged attacking midfield, Semenyo one side, Richards the other and Twine behind the striker would be a scary prospect for defences. Finally, up front. We have Wells and Martin under contract. I would want a younger player with movement, pace and strength, and also a younger, more mobile target man than Martin. Of the 3 players which will attract the most attention this summer, Yates, Jephcott & Humphrys, if I had to choose 1, I’d put a bid in for Stephen Humphrys. If we had money available, I’d see what we could nab Thomas Henry for, but I think we’ve got to get in there quick to have any chance on him – although again, Pearson’s link could play in our favour. Failing Henry, it wouldn’t be my first choice by any stretch, but you’d probably have to look at Fletcher on a free as your targetman type. In summary, I’d be looking at : RB – Nyambe & Key CB – Knight & Ostigard CM – Sheaf plus one of Rothwell or Mowett AM – Twine & Richards ST – Henry & Humphrys I realise that’s 10 players, but we are losing 14 from the current squad, so the squad places are there to fill. Thanks for reading. I think with that level of information you should apply to be the new Director of football at AG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted April 14, 2021 Author Report Share Posted April 14, 2021 1 hour ago, JonDolman said: Josh Knight is another interesting one. Did well at Peterborough last season. Right back, centre back or centre mid. So very versatile like Vyner is. I do like versatile options in the squad. Is he dominant enough at centre back I wonder. Bit of a problem we have there imo. Another Leicester Pearson link like Elliott Moore and Matty James. Yep. Moore & James both on the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted April 14, 2021 Report Share Posted April 14, 2021 Just now, JonDolman said: There's so many that look like they might be good options. The key thing is to get the right ones for a style of play and to suit others around them in the team. Who knows what system Pearson will be looking to go with next season. We need character too. We need a winning mentality, and preferably some leadership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted April 14, 2021 Author Report Share Posted April 14, 2021 1 hour ago, BOSRed said: What ever happened to that centre back at Ipswich on loan from arsenal? So say very comfortable on the ball and very promising. Forget his name. 1 hour ago, Davefevs said: Mark McGuinness 19 minutes ago, BOSRed said: That’s the one. Worth a look? Not sure if he’s champ ready or still one for future. Clips look good but obvs aren’t the whole story Yep. Arsenal have got quite a few promising centre backs out on loan at the moment. Ballard, McGuinness, Zech Medley, Harry Clarke. I put Ballard on my list as I think he’s been the most impressive on his loan to date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brady bunch Posted April 14, 2021 Report Share Posted April 14, 2021 Chaps, Harry, fevs et al great post and posts, love your in depth research and knowledge, the only really part missing (with a few exceptions) is the overseas players. I think there is going to be value to be had in the UK and even more so overseas, where the mighty umbrella of the PL and its riches will protect may of the English clubs from the worst ravages of the Covid/Crowd free season. Certainly if NP stays (hopefully he will) he has had a decent record with overseas players I think and it maybe a pool we dip our toes in again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted April 14, 2021 Report Share Posted April 14, 2021 Agree with a lot of that list in terms of Championship targets, though I would ask why some possibles aren't on there. I finally got around to starting my Spreadsheet on free agents in the top 2 divisions the other day. Will freely admit I don't know so much about Leagues below the Championship. Anyway, possibles at this level. Would eg if they became available Smith and Femenia- Bournemouth and Watford RB, Cook and Kabasele again Bournemouth and Watford CB not be on a notional list? McIntyre of Reading is approaching the end of his contract, age 22- room for growth, reasonable gametime for a playoff chasing side. Like the suggestion by @Davefevs of Iorfa. Year left on deal definitely one to consider. Nat Phillips it's unclear if he is free but would it be worth putting in for him on loan if not? Matty James due to his Leicester connection with Pearson, think that would make sense too as per @JonDolman . Or are players such Femenia, Smith, Cook, Kabasele and Phillips unrealistic at this stage? Femenia and Kabasele would remember Pearson from Watford though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted April 14, 2021 Report Share Posted April 14, 2021 6 minutes ago, brady bunch said: Chaps, Harry, fevs et al great post and posts, love your in depth research and knowledge, the only really part missing (with a few exceptions) is the overseas players. I think there is going to be value to be had in the UK and even more so overseas, where the mighty umbrella of the PL and its riches will protect may of the English clubs from the worst ravages of the Covid/Crowd free season. Certainly if NP stays (hopefully he will) he has had a decent record with overseas players I think and it maybe a pool we dip our toes in again. This really becomes a Work Permit debate. Does the player qualify through international caps and ranking of country, and / or domestic appearances and ranking of league, etc....and if they do, are they still good value (they could be OOC of course - that would help). Basically anyone playing in top-flight France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Holland, Belgium, certain S.American countries (possibly some others) will pass the WP points system. Most players playing for top ranked nations will pass too. Some examples. Diedhiou - was playing top flight France Kodjia - was playing second tier France, and even though Angers got promoted (which scores points) he probably just misses out by a point or two Nagy - was playing Serie A had he still been at Ferencvaros he might just have scraped in on international caps as Hungary are inside top 50.. Elias Kachunga - if he was still playing Bundesliga.2 Antony Knockaert - Guincamp in Lg2 France So, league standing very important. Brentford were heavily scouting the second tier in France, but now know that nobody will meet WP reqs so have got rid of that scout(s). Thomas Henry to quote one of Harry’s targets - Leuvens, top flight (Jupiler League) Belgium but with 2 years left on contract, transfermarkt values him at £3.15m. Question is whether that’s value or not. All good fun though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted April 14, 2021 Report Share Posted April 14, 2021 2 hours ago, Davefevs said: Yep....and I don’t have a problem per se with that....a lot of sense on the face of it. Can hide behind Covid. Ashton But..... ....failed to think about the motivational impact of such a strategy on those despite Covid. Ashton ....failed to think about the motivational impact if you start offering lucrative contracts to a player but say you can’t afford others. Ashton So, I’d say Ashton might understand the “market” but doesn’t understand the psyche of a “footballer” I think the “killer” for many of the players would have been news of an offer being made to Fam. In dressing rooms if people are treated the same even if it’s not what they want to hear that’s one thing........once favouritism is sensed you’ve lost every player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted April 14, 2021 Report Share Posted April 14, 2021 1 minute ago, Numero Uno said: I think the “killer” for many of the players would have been news of an offer being made to Fam. In dressing rooms if people are treated the same even if it’s not what they want to hear that’s one thing........once favouritism is sensed you’ve lost every player. Surely they don't all earn the same? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red_Alligator Posted April 14, 2021 Report Share Posted April 14, 2021 Well, that's MA's replacement sorted out then. Great work Harry, really enjoyed your analysis and appreciate the work you've put in there. Kudos to you fellow Red! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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