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2 minutes ago, downendcity said:

I don't think it’s so much them taking the more high ground, it’s just the low moral ground that UEFA and FIFA previously occupied is not now as low as that of the ESL clubs.

That is a good way of putting it and i agree, but however you slice and dice it Football is morally bankrupt. We've all known it for a while, but this is openly rubbing fans noses in it.

Might be time out for me soon with the beautiful game. No more Sky, no more season tickets. Go watch my son playing. Seriously had enough of this circus

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2 minutes ago, E.G.Red said:

Well you’d still have Pickford, Maddison (Who might not have been picked) Calvert Lewin, Declan Rice, Michael Antonio, Jack Grealish and several others who would probably relish the opportunity of representing their country.

I think the point being made, which I was replying to, is if these clubs will take everything that goes against them to a Courtroom how long before a player, sensing an unwritten rule that ESL players are not being picked and backed by his club's increasingly fat QC, challenges a squad selection in Court? That said, the same jury picking the side could also name Barton as Manager as part of a wrapped up "Super Trial" which could save the taxpayer tens of pounds.

The other thing that might happen is all the players you name above, let's say they are in the £80-120K per week wage bracket currently will be receiving offers that will double or triple their wage packet to be part of mega-squads at these 12 clubs. A few might tell them to eff off, the majority will think "sod it, I'll sit on my arse for four years getting picked four times a season and provide enough money for me, my wife, my kids, their kids and their kids after that".

As it happens Antonio along with another other huge star you accidentally left out of your list, Mason Holgate, has now committed to Jamaica!!

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1 hour ago, CheddarReds said:

I'm not sure how much power the 51% of fans have in Germany and whether they could prevent Bayern Munich joining the ESL, for example.

German fans can vote the board out so they wont go against the fans too much

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12 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said:

I’m not an egg chasing fan, but isn’t it the case that to play for England you must play in the Premiership and can’t play in France etc? Clearly that doesn’t violate any law so there’s no reason why football can’t make a similar call in that in order to play for your country, you can’t play in the Super League.

And here’s where I think the legal aspect really now works. Even if the FA and UEFA can’t bar the clubs, they can bar the players (by confirming you cannot play in a non sanctioned competition and the EPL/Champions League etc). Which means players are limited to 20 games a season in midweek in a closed competition. And players won’t go for that

But even if they do...

As prior on work permits, you get points for international games, designated continental games, and domestic games. If say, Kevin De Bruyne can’t play for Belgium or in a designated (CL) competition, or in the EPL, then even if he is contracted to Man City, unless Man City win the EPL, he doesn’t get enough points for a WP. And then can’t play for Man City in the super league either.

Game, set, match.

Except if you play for Saracens! 

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8 minutes ago, Super said:

Have a real admiration for the Germans. 

Totally agree even before this absolute shambles. How they treat they fans . Dortmund for example. Standing areas.having a beer, cheap ticket prices. Everything that should be here in England. Probably not accurate but recall reading an article about someone who went to watch Spurs and the cost for him and his sons. That it was cheaper to travel to Dortmund and watch them than it was to go and watch Spurs. Says it all to me 

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6 minutes ago, Lrrr said:

Pretty sure that’s the individual countries teams choosing to only select players in that scenario, there was always talk about will England relax the rule for Stefan Armitage etc 

Fair point but if the FAs of England, France, Spain, Germany and Italy implement the rule then it’ll be a very effective tool.

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15 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said:

I’m not an egg chasing fan, but isn’t it the case that to play for England you must play in the Premiership and can’t play in France etc? Clearly that doesn’t violate any law so there’s no reason why football can’t make a similar call in that in order to play for your country, you can’t play in the Super League.

And here’s where I think the legal aspect really now works. Even if the FA and UEFA can’t bar the clubs, they can bar the players (by confirming you cannot play in a non sanctioned competition and the EPL/Champions League etc). Which means players are limited to 20 games a season in midweek in a closed competition. And players won’t go for that

But even if they do...

As prior on work permits, you get points for international games, designated continental games, and domestic games. If say, Kevin De Bruyne can’t play for Belgium or in a designated (CL) competition, or in the EPL, then even if he is contracted to Man City, unless Man City win the EPL, he doesn’t get enough points for a WP. And then can’t play for Man City in the super league either.

Game, set, match.

If Boris is keen on dropping "legislative bombs" as he calls them then he has to act swiftly, in conjunction with all other parties and the best lawyers in the land, negotiate legislation that is acceptable to all and will stand up in a Supreme Court and get it fast tracked in front of parliament for immediate implementation. That would be walking the walk and regardless of whether the Greedy 6 challenge it or not they will know that people opposing this mean business and wont, as many fear, all walk away quietly muttering to themselves once the initial hot air dies down. If you call out a fight like he appears to have done then you must be prepared to go out there and fight not just look hard in front of your mates then bottle it.

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25 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said:

I’m not an egg chasing fan, but isn’t it the case that to play for England you must play in the Premiership and can’t play in France etc? Clearly that doesn’t violate any law so there’s no reason why football can’t make a similar call in that in order to play for your country, you can’t play in the Super League.

And here’s where I think the legal aspect really now works. Even if the FA and UEFA can’t bar the clubs, they can bar the players (by confirming you cannot play in a non sanctioned competition and the EPL/Champions League etc). Which means players are limited to 20 games a season in midweek in a closed competition. And players won’t go for that

But even if they do...

As prior on work permits, you get points for international games, designated continental games, and domestic games. If say, Kevin De Bruyne can’t play for Belgium or in a designated (CL) competition, or in the EPL, then even if he is contracted to Man City, unless Man City win the EPL, he doesn’t get enough points for a WP. And then can’t play for Man City in the super league either.

Game, set, match.

Very good point on the rugby, hadn’t considered that. 

The point on work permits is also very interesting. It does show that this thing is definitely stoppable. What the reactions will be of the big 6 owners will be could be worth watching. I have all the sympathy in the world for the fans who go and watch their team but whatever the outcome now I hope there are consequences for this mutiny

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41 minutes ago, Dredd said:

Get Ant and Dec presenting the next England squad selection on a Saturday night. 

‘To select Harry Kane text KANE to 36656’

’If you want Danny Ings leading the line text INGS to 36656’

Imagine that! Instead of one manager, the whole country picks!!! Amazing.  

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Suppose the ESL goes ahead, and the English constituents of the Dirty Dozen join. They are then barred from the Premier League, FA Cup, etc. But carry on regardless.

Do we think a fans' team would be set up at the basement level, and move up, rather like AFC Wimbledon did?

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6 hours ago, mozo said:

I think the protests will be huge and certainly next season many thousands will stay away.

When the ESL starts though, globally I think television ratings will be high, which constitutes success in the minds of the money men.

Hard-core fans will walk away from their clubs, no doubt. Some will reluctantly return eventually, and many will be replaced by a new generation of middle class families (oh look Archie, that's Erling Haaland) and football tourists. 

Again, anecdotal evidence; I heard a phone in on Radio 5 yesterday and one woman said that when the Glazers came in she was furious with Man U. She went to watch a few FC United games but eventually the pull of her club was too much and she found herself back at Old Trafford. She wasn't the only one admitting that despite their fury, they would probably be drawn in.

Vom....

But would she still be interested if they're ejected from the PL? 

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Premier League 'vigorously rejects' European Super League plans

The Premier League has released a statement making to clear the “Other 14” clubs will do all they can to the six English clubs joining a breakaway European Super League. The statement follows a meeting of the 14 clubs that took place this morning. Here it is in full:

The Premier League, alongside The FA, met with clubs today to discuss the immediate implications of the Super League proposal. The 14 clubs at the meeting unanimously and vigorously rejected the plans for the competition.

The Premier League is considering all actions available to prevent it from progressing, as well as holding those Shareholders involved to account under its rules. The League will continue to work with key stakeholders including fan groups, Government, UEFA, The FA, EFL, PFA and LMA to protect the best interests of the game and call on those clubs involved in the proposed competition to cease their involvement immediately. 

The Premier League would like to thank fans and all stakeholders for the support they have shown this week on this significant issue. The reaction proves just how much our open pyramid and football community means to people.

The line about “holding shareholders to account under its rules” suggests action may be taken. How far could they go?

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14 minutes ago, Dredd said:

Jack Grealish - it’s not you

Theo Walcott - it’s not you

Phil Foden - it might be you .....

'Footballer no1, tell us your name, club, position and why you should be in the England football team......'

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57 minutes ago, Olé said:

Arsenal deserve additional punishment if they generate another completely unnecessary 100+ page thread on OTIB after the last two about Eddie ******* Nketiah.

 

I doubt he could make his mind up which league he wants to play in.

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Apologies if someone’s already mentioned this but I feel EFL clubs without parachute payments should be watching this situation carefully.

if the government feel this new ESL is anticompetitive then maybe this argument could be used against parachute payments as well ?

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9 minutes ago, exAtyeoMax said:

Premier League 'vigorously rejects' European Super League plans

The Premier League has released a statement making to clear the “Other 14” clubs will do all they can to the six English clubs joining a breakaway European Super League. The statement follows a meeting of the 14 clubs that took place this morning. Here it is in full:

The Premier League, alongside The FA, met with clubs today to discuss the immediate implications of the Super League proposal. The 14 clubs at the meeting unanimously and vigorously rejected the plans for the competition.

The Premier League is considering all actions available to prevent it from progressing, as well as holding those Shareholders involved to account under its rules. The League will continue to work with key stakeholders including fan groups, Government, UEFA, The FA, EFL, PFA and LMA to protect the best interests of the game and call on those clubs involved in the proposed competition to cease their involvement immediately. 

The Premier League would like to thank fans and all stakeholders for the support they have shown this week on this significant issue. The reaction proves just how much our open pyramid and football community means to people.

The line about “holding shareholders to account under its rules” suggests action may be taken. How far could they go?

Vigorously? So will it take 6 weeks to sort?

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The Premier League rule that would give the “Other 14” the greatest chance to prevent the ESL breakaway would appear to be Rule L9. Here it is:

“Except with the prior written approval of the board, during the season a club shall not enter or play its senior men’s first team in any competition other than:

L.9.1 - The UEFA Champions League
L.9.2 - The UEFA Europa League
L.9.3 - The FA Cup
L.9.4 - The FA Community Shield
L.9.5 - The Football League Cup or
L.9.6 - Competitions sanctioned by the County Association of which it is a member.”

As you can see, “Lucrative European Super League” is not on that list.

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Bill Shankly’s grandson, Chris Carline, would be happy to see his grandad’s statue removed from its location behind the Kop at Anfield. Speaking to the Liverpool Echo, he said: 

I’m appalled and embarrassed. When you talk about Liverpool Football Club and its history and its roots, you could reference seven, eight or nine of grandad’s quotes which are all appropriate to the current situation - socialism, greed and the Holy Trinity - but I also think about one of the less well known comments. It’s from his book, when he spoke about wanting to bring the football club closer to the fans and the fans closer to the football club. And he achieved that. It’s not an understatement to say he would be spinning in his grave at the current situation because it couldn’t be further removed from his ethos. Given the chance I’d happily see the statue removed.

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