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Lrrr

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2 minutes ago, Hxj said:

I can see some slight tweaks in the UK work permit rules making life difficult for UK teams in any ESL.

Probably easy for a lawyer to argue restriction of trade, they're be doing the same job but just in a different company as such

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CheddarReds

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15 minutes ago, Olé said:

Funnily enough, in the article on the ESL's unpublished vision posted by @SecretSam earlier, they actually say exactly the same about trying to achieve sustainability after COVID.

Unfortunately in their case it is from the ridiculous and illogical position that the way to achieve sustainability is for the clubs that have racked up huge amounts of debt in order to be successful, should be bailed out by having their right to success in future being guaranteed at everyone else's expense. :wacko:

This is classic private equity thinking - don't actually find a sustainable economic model, just throw enough money at it until you kill off everyone else and profit/survive by default. Enabled by banks that have billions of spare cash on tap and always ready to help out funding the next predatory investment*.

 *for anyone who isn't angry enough about this, the last financial crisis was caused by banks just like JP Morgan, helping investors and hedge funds to effectively bet on the return on mortgage lending to poor/sub-prime people, speculation that even our high-street banks enabled. Resulting in us all bailing them out. This isn't a political point, it is simply highlighting a difference between a free market and rampant greed.

I've run out of likes but agreed! I can't remember if it was an article or someone in this thread but it was described as Casino banking. Fair analogy?

40 minutes ago, mozo said:

I find Bayern an interesting case because if the ESL gets up and running, what do Bayern do if all their players want to jump ship and follow the €€€?

Bayern has always enjoyed a position of power whereby they're the wealthiest club in Germany and can take their pick of the Bundesliga stars. What happens should they be devalued in this way?

Yeah it'll be a test of nerve for players and clubs should the ESL go ahead. 

It's reported some of the 12 founding clubs are more worried about being left behind by the ESL than leaders of it and I'm sure that will be in the back of minds for Bayern & PSG stakeholders. Lots of people saying players won't want to be a part of this structure without competition and the dream of playing for your country at major tournaments, might give us a chance to see how true that is. 

I don't know how much influence the 51% model in Germany might have in Bayern's case as well. Is this something the fans as the 51% could refuse? Would they refuse it if all their stars started to leave and they're left with the best of the rest or would a couple percent buckle etc? 

 

 

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17 minutes ago, BigTone said:

Conversely, players currently contracted to proposed ESL clubs may feel that their opportunities (International football etc etc) are being curtailed and restricted through no fault of their own. I can see a lot of transfer requests being put in and the prospect of legal action in that regard. Bit of a 2 way street really.

Two other thoughts that I had.  1) I wonder if Prince MBS of Saudi is glad his proposed takeover of Newcastle fell through.  2) I wonder what the new owners of Ipswich are thinking now that their return on investment potential may now be a lot less than expected.

Good point re Ipswich Tone and does this complicate the process of selling City to investors?

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19 minutes ago, BigTone said:

Conversely, players currently contracted to proposed ESL clubs may feel that their opportunities (International football etc etc) are being curtailed and restricted through no fault of their own. I can see a lot of transfer requests being put in and the prospect of legal action in that regard. Bit of a 2 way street really.

Two other thoughts that I had.  1) I wonder if Prince MBS of Saudi is glad his proposed takeover of Newcastle fell through.  2) I wonder what the new owners of Ipswich are thinking now that their return on investment potential may now be a lot less than expected.

Those agreements with Ashton and Werhun getting on their bikes had better be watertight and I'm not talking Nick Higgs "watertight" either.

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1 minute ago, mozo said:

Good point re Ipswich Tone and does this complicate the process of selling City to investors?

Not sure, but let's hope this doesn't change Ashton's mind and make him decide to stay! ?

Just now, Numero Uno said:

Those agreements with Ashton and Werhun getting on their bikes had better be watertight and I'm not talking Nick Higgs "watertight" either.

Great minds! ?

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4 minutes ago, mozo said:

Good point re Ipswich Tone and does this complicate the process of selling City to investors?

Probably does and also delays the prospect while a solution is being sought to confirm the way forward.

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I’m in agreement whole heartedly with this thread and want this to stop, but I wish there was this much outrage (globally not OTIB) when Quatar was given the World Cup. That was corruption not to mention over 600 employees dying through disgusting working conditions.

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Just now, RUSSEL85 said:

I’m in agreement whole heartedly with this thread and want this to stop, but I wish there was this much outrage (globally not OTIB) when Quatar was given the World Cup. That was corruption not to mention over 600 employees dying through disgusting working conditions.

Qatar, racism in football, super agents, the pay-per-view prices... all should have been combatted with a lot more intensity.

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2 minutes ago, RUSSEL85 said:

I’m in agreement whole heartedly with this thread and want this to stop, but I wish there was this much outrage (globally not OTIB) when Quatar was given the World Cup. That was corruption not to mention over 600 employees dying through disgusting working conditions.

There was from me but who cares what I think! :protest:

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2 hours ago, Silvio Dante said:

James Corden. A man who gets royally on my tits normally. Taking six minutes of prime US TV time to educate the Americans on what this means.

Beautifully said

 

I agree with him (this ESL idea is despicable), he makes his points in a heartfelt way, and I like the statement put out by Everton as well.........but let’s not forget that the supporters have been overlooked for a long time with the weird kick off times due to TV scheduling, all because of the money. This is the way football has been going for a while. 

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32 minutes ago, CheddarReds said:

I've run out of likes but agreed! I can't remember if it was an article or someone in this thread but it was described as Casino banking. Fair analogy?

Yeah it'll be a test of nerve for players and clubs should the ESL go ahead. 

It's reported some of the 12 founding clubs are more worried about being left behind by the ESL than leaders of it and I'm sure that will be in the back of minds for Bayern & PSG stakeholders. Lots of people saying players won't want to be a part of this structure without competition and the dream of playing for your country at major tournaments, might give us a chance to see how true that is. 

I don't know how much influence the 51% model in Germany might have in Bayern's case as well. Is this something the fans as the 51% could refuse? Would they refuse it if all their stars started to leave and they're left with the best of the rest or would a couple percent buckle etc? 

 

 

Someone with more knowledge than me are Barcelona owned by its members?

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18 minutes ago, Harry said:

Let’s not pretend Rummenige should be put on a pedestal. 

I agree. If the deciding vote wasn't with the fans in the German clubs, they would be in the ESL too. No doubt

In addition PSG, who are thumping their chests and saying they rejected the ESL.....why is that then? The owner is Qatar Sports Investments. How much did they bung FIFA to get the world cup? QSI also own BEiN sports, who have lucrative contracts with UEFA for Champions League

If it was not for this, their noses would be in the trough too.

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I see Wolves have got in with the anti ESL banter. Yes Wolves, you know, the club whose Chinese owners did a controversial deal with super agent Jorge Mendes to enable them to sign a raft of Portoguese talent that were hitherto out of their league; Neves and Jota initially, then Patricio, Jiminez at al. Oh and manager Nuno Santos.

It's like the pot calling the kettle a **** (as they say).

Just now, TonyTonyTony said:

I agree. If the deciding vote wasn't with the fans in the German clubs, they would be in the ESL too. No doubt

In addition PSG, who are thumping their chests and saying they rejected the ESL.....why is that then? The owner is Qatar Sports Investments. How much did they bung FIFA to get the world cup? QSI also own BEiN sports, who have lucrative contracts with UEFA for Champions League

If it was not for this, their noses would be in the trough too.

Great shout!

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47 minutes ago, Lrrr said:

Probably easy for a lawyer to argue restriction of trade, they're be doing the same job but just in a different company as such

Itll be blocked on competition rules. I think this will all unravel over next few days. Punishments for the clubs ibvolved has to be severe, according to daily mail man city and chelsea ar wavering.

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Few club executives now getting cold feet and second thoughts on this. Apparently they were not fully aware of the plans from the top dogs.

I'll still be surprised if this goes head. I think this is more of a tactic to hold UEFA to ransom. Hopefully all governing bodies stand their ground. 

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8 minutes ago, TonyTonyTony said:

I agree. If the deciding vote wasn't with the fans in the German clubs, they would be in the ESL too. No doubt

In addition PSG, who are thumping their chests and saying they rejected the ESL.....why is that then? The owner is Qatar Sports Investments. How much did they bung FIFA to get the world cup? QSI also own BEiN sports, who have lucrative contracts with UEFA for Champions League

If it was not for this, their noses would be in the trough too.

100%. 
PSG & Bayern are being hailed as heroes, whereas the truth is that there are other factors (not moral ones) dictating their decision to say no. They are no angels. 
And I’m sure Everton, with their statement this morning, will be seen as some kind of working man’s hero, but truth is, if they were invited they’d have gone with it. 

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17 minutes ago, Blockb said:

Someone with more knowledge than me are Barcelona owned by its members?

I think at Barcelona they have members who own the club and which vote for the club's president in elections but once elected the president is in charge of major decisions and operations. 

I'm not sure how much power the 51% of fans have in Germany and whether they could prevent Bayern Munich joining the ESL, for example.

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11 minutes ago, Redpool said:

Few club executives now getting cold feet and second thoughts on this. Apparently they were not fully aware of the plans from the top dogs.

I'll still be surprised if this goes head. I think this is more of a tactic to hold UEFA to ransom. Hopefully all governing bodies stand their ground. 

Where did you hear that?

This was on the BBC feed:

There are lots of rumours swirling around just now in addition to all the strong statements and stated positions against the planned European Super League.

But I have just spoken to someone who is close to the clubs concerned and they were adamant there is no weakening of resolve within the six English clubs who have signed up to ESL.

In their view, the plans have been thought through and will benefit the game as a whole.

The clubs are waiting for the storm to die down.

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8 minutes ago, Harry said:


And I’m sure Everton, with their statement this morning, will be seen as some kind of working man’s hero, but truth is, if they were invited they’d have gone with it. 

There wouldnt be any club that would turn that money down - lets be honest. The other thing the bothers me about this is all of a sudden the game seems to be saying UEFA and FIFA are the rightful administers of the game - claiming some moral high ground over the ESL. UEFA and FIFA are corrupt as ****, and have leached hundreds of millions to their cronies over the years.

It is all about money, and it ******* stinks to high heaven

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6 minutes ago, mozo said:

Where did you hear that?

This was on the BBC feed:

There are lots of rumours swirling around just now in addition to all the strong statements and stated positions against the planned European Super League.

But I have just spoken to someone who is close to the clubs concerned and they were adamant there is no weakening of resolve within the six English clubs who have signed up to ESL.

In their view, the plans have been thought through and will benefit the game as a whole.

The clubs are waiting for the storm to die down.

I'm following Sky Sports updates. Looks like some executives will follow it through regardless. Other's are getting cold feet and don't want to take the blame. 

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