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Just now, Loco Rojo said:

If Landsdown and the Board have already decided Nigel isn't the man for the Job, then they better have already decided on their Plan B over the last few weeks and started to make contact with their representatives/club rather than announce Nigel isn't staying and then needing to start from scratch otherwise we really are in trouble (could it get any worse).

You’d like to think they have plan B lined up or are in the process of lining it up. If they haven’t that will take incompetence to a whole new level even by the Lansdown’s standards..

I’m still hopeful Pearson gets the job as I’m still personally convinced he is exactly what we need and their is nobody else better available (who would come) to rebuild this mess.

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We must absolutely back Pearson now. Looking for a new man without a CEO and so much work to do on the playing side it would be suicide.

I am sure NP can hold the fort whilst the rest of the organisation is put into place.

 I am pretty sure he could get the players and staff in that he wants without a CEO ‘ interfering ‘ . 

I don’t know if it will work out with NP but I do know that time is not on our side to prepare for the next campaign. 
 

Give the bloke a decent stab at it and let’s see where he takes us. No manager lasts forever so when he has to go we should at least be a bit more stable.

 

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1 hour ago, Red Exile said:

What's the last half dozen years been about if it's not been about a building sustainable club...because it's certainly not been about playing attractive football!

It seems to me that the last 6 years has been entirely about Mark Ashton doing Mark Ashton things. 

Oh how we chuckled when the tannoy (if you could hear it, obvs) asked for "Mr Ashton to come to the Atyeo Stand" at the merest sign of trouble. Little did we know that appointing an actual real Mr Ashton would lead to more trouble than we ever thought possible. 

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33 minutes ago, bris red said:

You’d like to think they have plan B lined up or are in the process of lining it up. If they haven’t that will take incompetence to a whole new level even by the Lansdown’s standards..

I’m still hopeful Pearson gets the job as I’m still personally convinced he is exactly what we need and their is nobody else better available (who would come) to rebuild this mess.

Agreed.   This is why I think Nigel is going to stay.  I think that everyone is just agreeing the deal behind the scenes and the structure of the new plan (including funding) that Nigel will have.   

To turn this mess around is going to require lots of changes - not just on the pitch, so I can understand everything being discussed takes a bit of time.

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I hope we're not all going to panic if there's no announcement soon. As well as finalising all the details of NP's contract, there are probably lots of other things to sort out before going public, including who the backroom team are going to be and sensitively managing the departure of any current staff who won't be required next season. These things take time, and it's more important to get them right even if it means delaying any public announcement for a few days (cue press conference). 

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2 hours ago, Pezo said:

IMO we need a C level before we appoint NP. Imagine bringing in a C level only to find out they want to do things differently to the manager/head coach. You don't want a C level exec having to buy into a managers way of working that's bound to fail.

It starts from the top IMO.

By "C level", do you mean Executive/Director level?

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4 hours ago, Pezo said:

IMO we need a C level before we appoint NP. Imagine bringing in a C level only to find out they want to do things differently to the manager/head coach. You don't want a C level exec having to buy into a managers way of working that's bound to fail.

It starts from the top IMO.

This was precisely why we ended up in this mess in the first place. 

Manager and CEO/DOF need to pull in the same direction - if the CEO is limited (Ashton), then there is no direction. 

Remit Pearson on what style he wants and recruit appropriately. CEO needs to buy into that way of thinking while maximising the business and entrepreneurial arm of the club.

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18 minutes ago, Fuber said:

This was precisely why we ended up in this mess in the first place. 

Manager and CEO/DOF need to pull in the same direction - if the CEO is limited (Ashton), then there is no direction. 

Remit Pearson on what style he wants and recruit appropriately. CEO needs to buy into that way of thinking while maximising the business and entrepreneurial arm of the club.

Direction and style has to come from the top, if you want a Bristol City style that's not paper thin then it can't come from a manager. 

If you remit Pearson on what style he wants then you have to accept there is no Bristol City style only a Pearson style. When Pearson leaves we will have the same upheaval we are having now in having to replace half the squad to fit a new style.

The idea of the DOF or CEO is they don't get sacked every 6 months for poor on the pitch performance.

Unless I have misunderstood what you meant then all that maximising of the business side is really Bristol sports remit - they are the brand holders and ticketing specialists.

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14 minutes ago, Pezo said:

Direction and style has to come from the top, if you want a Bristol City style that's not paper thin then it can't come from a manager. 

If you remit Pearson on what style he wants then you have to accept there is no Bristol City style only a Pearson style. When Pearson leaves we will have the same upheaval we are having now in having to replace half the squad to fit a new style.

The idea of the DOF or CEO is they don't get sacked every 6 months for poor on the pitch performance.

Unless I have misunderstood what you meant then all that maximising of the business side is really Bristol sports remit - they are the brand holders and ticketing specialists.

The top is SL.  In a normal business you’d have a cascading hierarchy, but not always be even, depending on the businesses and / or functions beneath.  Everything flows from SL.

SL could easily decide the structure is split football and non-football, and Pearson be his Direct Report, and AN Other be non-football?  He probably won’t but it’s quite possible for your HoR, Scouts and Analysts to report into the Football Manager.  They wouldn’t report individually, but they can have department managers.  I purposely use HoR rather than DoF, because I think there’s a big difference, nor do I know what model we might go for.  Just using it to delineate roles that could under a football manager than above in a structure.

I don’t think SL will go that way, I don’t think NP would want that per se, but football is weird because you could have a DoF on a fraction of the manager’s wage, who in turn is on less than some of the players.

So I don’t necessarily agree you have to appoint DoF or CEO first....not in the world of football anyway.

As for the business / commercial side, much of that is under Mark Kelly, Ashton Gate Ltd, not BS (who do a bit of the marketing).  I’m really interested in Gregor’s article the other week which said MA had come up with new revenues streams.  I think he’s been fed some BS, or more likely MA has embellished his part in successes of what Mark Kelly’s team have done.  Don’t forget, (not aimed at you), MA would let us think he built the whole training ground, if you gave him half a chance.

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This thread is quite depressing. 
It highlights how much control 1 man was given. And now that 1 man is jumping ship, it’s evident he’s leaving behind an absolute ruin. 
 

The House That Mark Built

 

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6 minutes ago, Harry said:

This thread is quite depressing. 
It highlights how much control 1 man was given. And now that 1 man is jumping ship, it’s evident he’s leaving behind an absolute ruin. 
 

The House That Mark Built

 

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Ashton Gate is certainly not a ruin, quite the opposite and arguably MA was a good part of that. Therein lies the problem though because football-wise we are a ruin and MA also has to bear a good responsibility for that in terms of player recruitment at least. My feeling is that MA had too wide a brief and should have stuck with or have been given responsibly for the business side but not the football side. i hope that lesson has been learned but I won’t hold my breath.

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24 minutes ago, Johnny Musicworks said:

Ashton Gate is certainly not a ruin, quite the opposite and arguably MA was a good part of that. Therein lies the problem though because football-wise we are a ruin and MA also has to bear a good responsibility for that in terms of player recruitment at least. My feeling is that MA had too wide a brief and should have stuck with or have been given responsibly for the business side but not the football side. i hope that lesson has been learned but I won’t hold my breath.

Certainly not saying AG is a ruin. 
It’s a metaphorical view of the mess that Ashton is leaving behind him. 

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5 hours ago, bris red said:

Decisive action is needed by the board. As has already been said SL will have seen enough now to make a decision, let’s hope he see’s sense and appoints Pearson within the next week - he can then truly start getting to work. 

City doesn’t really have a meaningful board any more. Mark Ashton used to do most things, but now he’s gone. Jon Lansdown used to do something but now he’s moved to the Caribbean. Steve Lansdown is semi retired in Guernsey but pops up occasionally to do something out of desperation if the first two couldn’t manage it. There are others who occasionally get listed as a director, but in reality they haven’t got any real power to hire and fire managers or coaches. 

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15 minutes ago, pongo88 said:

City doesn’t really have a meaningful board any more. Mark Ashton used to do most things, but now he’s gone. Jon Lansdown used to do something but now he’s moved to the Caribbean. Steve Lansdown is semi retired in Guernsey but pops up occasionally to do something out of desperation if the first two couldn’t manage it. There are others who occasionally get listed as a director, but in reality they haven’t got any real power to hire and fire managers or coaches. 

A Board should have a majority of non -Executives who challenge the Executive.

I'm not sure we have ever had that, though as the club belongs to Steve I guess he might not be bothered much about corporate governance.

A mistake if so as hearing independent voices can be valuable.

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6 hours ago, Pezo said:

IMO we need a C level before we appoint NP. Imagine bringing in a C level only to find out they want to do things differently to the manager/head coach. You don't want a C level exec having to buy into a managers way of working that's bound to fail.

It starts from the top IMO.

SL is the top. He’ll decide whom to appoint as the next manager. He’ll decide upon the structure he’s comfortable working with to run the football side of Bristol Sport. He’ll appoint its administrator(s).
 

Nobody interferes with the rugby decision making of Pat Lam. The structure SL introduces will likely mirror what is proving successful for the Bears. Thus the “C” level administrator you crave will, I suspect, will have little or no say in playing matters.

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1 minute ago, Rudolf Hucker said:

SL is the top. He’ll decide whom to appoint as the next manager. He’ll decide upon the structure he’s comfortable working with to run the football side of Bristol Sport. He’ll appoint its administrator(s).
 

Nobody interferes with the rugby decision making of Pat Lam. The structure SL introduces will likely mirror what is proving successful for the Bears. Thus the “C” level administrator you crave will, I suspect, will have little or no say in playing matters.

A COO on around £300K per annum (about right for the size of business especially if he has no say in recruitment apart from wage/transfer negotiations) and a DOF on £200K per annum would be a far better way to spend half a million quid than the way we currently piss it up against the wall.

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Just now, Numero Uno said:

A COO on around £300K per annum (about right for the size of business especially if he has no say in recruitment apart from wage/transfer negotiations) and a DOF on £200K per annum would be a far better way to spend half a million quid than the way we currently piss it up against the wall.

... or SL could simply give the £500kpa to OTIB and we’ll run it. 

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19 minutes ago, Rudolf Hucker said:

Go, sit on the stairs and think about what you’ve said. 

Sit back and relax. Take a few Tramadol and wash then down with a few drams of JW.  It'll all be sorted soon enough. Stay cool Bro.

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6 hours ago, bris red said:

Decisive action is needed by the board. As has already been said SL will have seen enough now to make a decision, let’s hope he see’s sense and appoints Pearson within the next week - he can then truly start getting to work. 

The Board? We dont have one anymore. 

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