Supersonic Robin Posted May 1, 2021 Report Share Posted May 1, 2021 One thing I haven't seen mentioned so much on here is the damage this season may do to our reputation and status. In recent years, we'd developed the status of an "outside chance at top 6" side. (Admittedly, some degree of that status had come from “talking the talk” as oppose to “walking the walk”). This season we've firmly established ourselves as a club who are nowhere near promotion. We are looking much more likely to be relegated than promoted next season. Furthermore, the nature of our season hasn’t been a slow, semi-respectable, underwhelming affair. Rather, it has been an absolute implosion, filled with far too many embarrassing moments to list here. I really do feel that we’ve lacked dignity at times this season. In terms of our footballing brand and identity, we have again been calamitous. Metrics like xG show we’ve been battered week after week, more so than any other team. We’re also on course to comfortably set a new record for the least shots in a championship season. Should we have concerns about the damage this season does to our reputation? Are Bristol City now seen as a much less enticing prospect than we were a year ago? Perhaps most importantly, to what extent might this impact our ability to attract players in summer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slacker Posted May 2, 2021 Report Share Posted May 2, 2021 Historically we haven't had a massive amount to shout about.However I would expect most casual outside observers will be interested to see how we progress with an established, proven manager.I think NPs appointment will enhance our profile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mendip City Posted May 2, 2021 Report Share Posted May 2, 2021 I really hope NP does well but fear he might be too little too late... this run and last couple of years has a familiar feel about it that ends in relegation. Hopefully NP bucks the trend, rebuilds and gets us pointing in the direction... it’s not going to be an overnight job! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted May 2, 2021 Report Share Posted May 2, 2021 12 hours ago, Supersonic Robin said: One thing I haven't seen mentioned so much on here is the damage this season may do to our reputation and status. In recent years, we'd developed the status of an "outside chance at top 6" side. (Admittedly, some degree of that status had come from “talking the talk” as oppose to “walking the walk”). This season we've firmly established ourselves as a club who are nowhere near promotion. We are looking much more likely to be relegated than promoted next season. Furthermore, the nature of our season hasn’t been a slow, semi-respectable, underwhelming affair. Rather, it has been an absolute implosion, filled with far too many embarrassing moments to list here. I really do feel that we’ve lacked dignity at times this season. In terms of our footballing brand and identity, we have again been calamitous. Metrics like xG show we’ve been battered week after week, more so than any other team. We’re also on course to comfortably set a new record for the least shots in a championship season. Should we have concerns about the damage this season does to our reputation? Are Bristol City now seen as a much less enticing prospect than we were a year ago? Perhaps most importantly, to what extent might this impact our ability to attract players in summer? It's an interesting point, but I don't think one poor season would ruin our reputation in isolation. The new training ground will be a big draw, the ground is impressive and we now have a manager with a big reputation. I'd say that the sum of the parts would indicate a reputational improvement rather than decline. It's a huge summer for recruitment though. He has to get this right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo88 Posted May 2, 2021 Report Share Posted May 2, 2021 It’s an interesting suggestion, and it might have some affect on recruitment, but I don’t thinks it’s too big a problem. Some of the clubs in the top half of the league aren’t a big draw - eg who wants to live in Reading? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottishRed Posted May 2, 2021 Report Share Posted May 2, 2021 11 minutes ago, pongo88 said: It’s an interesting suggestion, and it might have some affect on recruitment, but I don’t thinks it’s too big a problem. Some of the clubs in the top half of the league aren’t a big draw - eg who wants to live in Reading? I doubt many of Reading’s higher earners live in the town. Very easy to live in London and play for Reading or alternatively, there are many lovely places to live in Berkshire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2015 Posted May 2, 2021 Report Share Posted May 2, 2021 19 minutes ago, Mendip City said: I really hope NP does well but fear he might be too little too late... this run and last couple of years has a familiar feel about it that ends in relegation. Hopefully NP bucks the trend, rebuilds and gets us pointing in the direction... it’s not going to be an overnight job! I called it around November time that we'd be back in League 1 by 2023. Maybe I underestimated how bad we were Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidercity1987 Posted May 2, 2021 Report Share Posted May 2, 2021 Fortunately due to a lot of big clubs being in League One and smaller clubs in the Champ we will have the finances to attract players to hopefully reestablish ourselves above our direct rivals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeez Posted May 2, 2021 Report Share Posted May 2, 2021 13 hours ago, Supersonic Robin said: One thing I haven't seen mentioned so much on here is the damage this season may do to our reputation and status. In recent years, we'd developed the status of an "outside chance at top 6" side. (Admittedly, some degree of that status had come from “talking the talk” as oppose to “walking the walk”). This season we've firmly established ourselves as a club who are nowhere near promotion. We are looking much more likely to be relegated than promoted next season. Furthermore, the nature of our season hasn’t been a slow, semi-respectable, underwhelming affair. Rather, it has been an absolute implosion, filled with far too many embarrassing moments to list here. I really do feel that we’ve lacked dignity at times this season. In terms of our footballing brand and identity, we have again been calamitous. Metrics like xG show we’ve been battered week after week, more so than any other team. We’re also on course to comfortably set a new record for the least shots in a championship season. Should we have concerns about the damage this season does to our reputation? Are Bristol City now seen as a much less enticing prospect than we were a year ago? Perhaps most importantly, to what extent might this impact our ability to attract players in summer? It’s not ideal, but we start the new season with a blank slate & what should be a new team & culture. We always struggle to attract higher end champ players or anyway so I don’t think it alters the external perception but to us fans we rightly see this season as huge step backward. The only people who think we’re a Prem club in waiting is our board & marketing dept. I believe most players & fans out there still see us more as a Champ/L1 club so not much really changes after this seasons collapse. Players will see us as a good stepping stone in their journey & that will be the only reason they sign for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denbury Red Posted May 2, 2021 Report Share Posted May 2, 2021 I really hope NP is given all the tools he requires - bring in his own coaching team, and recruitment team! Then we can really see what his coaching can do - that said we do have some quality players - they just need better coaching and direction. The next 6 months will very interesting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted May 2, 2021 Report Share Posted May 2, 2021 In a world where many footballers will be thankful to have a job lined up they really won’t give a toss about reputational issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
42nite Posted May 2, 2021 Report Share Posted May 2, 2021 We've always been generally regarded as a soft touch. Time for that to change! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter O Hanraha-hanrahan Posted May 2, 2021 Report Share Posted May 2, 2021 13 hours ago, Supersonic Robin said: One thing I haven't seen mentioned so much on here is the damage this season may do to our reputation and status. In recent years, we'd developed the status of an "outside chance at top 6" side. (Admittedly, some degree of that status had come from “talking the talk” as oppose to “walking the walk”). This season we've firmly established ourselves as a club who are nowhere near promotion. We are looking much more likely to be relegated than promoted next season. Furthermore, the nature of our season hasn’t been a slow, semi-respectable, underwhelming affair. Rather, it has been an absolute implosion, filled with far too many embarrassing moments to list here. I really do feel that we’ve lacked dignity at times this season. In terms of our footballing brand and identity, we have again been calamitous. Metrics like xG show we’ve been battered week after week, more so than any other team. We’re also on course to comfortably set a new record for the least shots in a championship season. Should we have concerns about the damage this season does to our reputation? Are Bristol City now seen as a much less enticing prospect than we were a year ago? Perhaps most importantly, to what extent might this impact our ability to attract players in summer? However, we do have superb facilities and a well respected manager. Probably pay pretty decent wages as well. Spending most of 2015/16 in the bottom 3 didn’t prevent us from signing Brownhill, Tomlin and Magnússon amongst others in the Summer as well as bringing in Abraham on loan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MATT BCFC Posted May 2, 2021 Report Share Posted May 2, 2021 I dont think people other than us pay that much attention to our results and they will still see us an established championship club . Barnsley almost went down last season and were still able to attract players good enough to get them in the playoffs this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Head Posted May 2, 2021 Report Share Posted May 2, 2021 I think we’re more likely to attract talent to our academy, with the path to the first team much better for the great amount of potential emerging, and the training facilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slartibartfast Posted May 2, 2021 Report Share Posted May 2, 2021 Talking of disastrous seasons and perception , will it affect Derby and to a lesser extent Forest ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GodEmperor Palpatine Posted May 2, 2021 Report Share Posted May 2, 2021 25 minutes ago, 42nite said: We've always been generally regarded as a soft touch. Time for that to change! It wont Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offside Posted May 2, 2021 Report Share Posted May 2, 2021 One thing in our favour is that lots of the people who have been here during our decline (Holden, Ashton, Rolls, LJ) are gone, so there is that element of a fresh start this summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red white and red Posted May 2, 2021 Report Share Posted May 2, 2021 We will always be a soft touch because that’s what the owner is comfortable with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted May 2, 2021 Report Share Posted May 2, 2021 13 hours ago, Supersonic Robin said: One thing I haven't seen mentioned so much on here is the damage this season may do to our reputation and status. In recent years, we'd developed the status of an "outside chance at top 6" side. (Admittedly, some degree of that status had come from “talking the talk” as oppose to “walking the walk”). This season we've firmly established ourselves as a club who are nowhere near promotion. We are looking much more likely to be relegated than promoted next season. Furthermore, the nature of our season hasn’t been a slow, semi-respectable, underwhelming affair. Rather, it has been an absolute implosion, filled with far too many embarrassing moments to list here. I really do feel that we’ve lacked dignity at times this season. In terms of our footballing brand and identity, we have again been calamitous. Metrics like xG show we’ve been battered week after week, more so than any other team. We’re also on course to comfortably set a new record for the least shots in a championship season. Should we have concerns about the damage this season does to our reputation? Are Bristol City now seen as a much less enticing prospect than we were a year ago? Perhaps most importantly, to what extent might this impact our ability to attract players in summer? Players will still have the following priorities, in the following order. Money. Money and the possibility of game time. Money, the possibility of game time and the chance of some team success. Nothing has changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mendip City Posted May 2, 2021 Report Share Posted May 2, 2021 1 hour ago, 2015 said: I called it around November time that we'd be back in League 1 by 2023. Maybe I underestimated how bad we were Give it take a year... sadly I wouldn’t bet against it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olé Posted May 2, 2021 Report Share Posted May 2, 2021 47 minutes ago, Red Alert said: It’s not ideal, but we start the new season with a blank slate Yep - stay in this division and individual season ineptness is forgotten. Remember that Hull City finished 21st the season before they beat us to promotion from the Championship, but even more stark comparison, this is Brighton's run to promotion after winning League One: Notice the season where they temporarily imploded and finished 20th despite being upwardly mobile - there were reasons for it and they returned to form relatively quickly. I'm not suggesting we've come close to their play off level form in this division but the point is they had a bad season and I don't remember them being written off long term. They also radically improved their infrastructure (stadium, training ground) and transfer spending in that period - it wouldn't be the first time people see parallels between us. That season in 20th they put Sami Hyppia in charge who was relatively inexperienced, Chris Hughton took over by January and still finished 20th but got going next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unan Posted May 2, 2021 Report Share Posted May 2, 2021 Doubt it, Leeds were nearly relegated again a few years back now look at them, and the players/staff they were able to get in. Football changes like the wind and I think most players know that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted May 2, 2021 Report Share Posted May 2, 2021 4 minutes ago, Olé said: Yep - stay in this division and individual season ineptness is forgotten. Remember that Hull City finished 21st the season before they beat us to promotion from the Championship, but even more stark comparison, this is Brighton's run to promotion after winning League One: Notice the season where they temporarily imploded and finished 20th despite being upwardly mobile - there were reasons for it and they returned to form relatively quickly. I'm not suggesting we've come close to their play off level form in this division but the point is they had a bad season and I don't remember them being written off long term. They also radically improved their infrastructure (stadium, training ground) and transfer spending in that period - it wouldn't be the first time people see parallels between us. That season in 20th they put Sami Hyppia in charge who was relatively inexperienced, Chris Hughton took over by January and still finished 20th but got going next season. I think people are caught up in the here and now, are letting it cloud their judgement of the future and are hugely underestimating: i) the positive effect a total rest from this shitshow of a season will have on those who are under contract and do want to be here ii) the effect of having a large number of injured players fit for selection and raring to go next season iii) the impact that new players we bring in will have on the squad iv) the huge learning that a number of our youngsters have made this season on the job v) a manager that is staying calm and knows he will sort it out in due course vi) the release of certain staff from the club who have been poisonous in their actions this season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted May 2, 2021 Report Share Posted May 2, 2021 2 hours ago, Red white and red said: We will always be a soft touch because that’s what the owner is comfortable with. Fingers crossed that one of the home truths that NP has given SL is that if he wants us to get to where he wants, then he and we can no longer be a soft touch owner or club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Skin Posted May 2, 2021 Report Share Posted May 2, 2021 If I was a professional footballer looking to sign for new club I'd be far more concerned about the medical and conditioning team and the manager's standing in the game than what it did last season. On th positive, it's a far easier sell for Pearson to convince me to sign when we have a threadbare squad than a full one. I could see I was needed and where I'd for into his plan. Obviously my wages would be my first consideration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLRed Posted May 2, 2021 Report Share Posted May 2, 2021 Our selling points really atm are. A decent new manager, top facilities, and a high chance of regular game time due to a high amount of players being released. current form will no doubt affect current thinking but at season reset, it will be like a fresh start and I’m sure we could do well to convince some decent players to join. Especially if we bring on a DOF with good contacts and strong recruitment/scouting capabilities Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clutton Caveman Posted May 4, 2021 Report Share Posted May 4, 2021 On 02/05/2021 at 11:43, Phileas Fogg said: It's an interesting point, but I don't think one poor season would ruin our reputation in isolation. The new training ground will be a big draw, the ground is impressive and we now have a manager with a big reputation. I'd say that the sum of the parts would indicate a reputational improvement rather than decline. It's a huge summer for recruitment though. He has to get this right. Sunderland built a great training ground.. but... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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