Supersonic Robin Posted May 14, 2021 Report Share Posted May 14, 2021 Losing Walsh is the one that really irks me. Seems there's some disagreement about it on here, but I felt he looked really promising and could comfortably do a job for us in the championship. More frustrating is the poor planning is shows. Signed a young player for a million or so - invested years of time, money and effort in developing him - get next to no value out of him on the pitch - lose him for free once he's up to championship standard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcofisher Posted May 14, 2021 Report Share Posted May 14, 2021 16 minutes ago, frenchred said: Again, based on what? Under 24, free transfer and POTY in a Coventry side who are better than us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogbad the Bad Posted May 14, 2021 Report Share Posted May 14, 2021 1 minute ago, WirralRobin said: Disappointing. I really don't get the logic re-Walsh In NP we trust though..... Very disappointing, but as you say we have to get behind NP and his decisions - although I doubt this outcome was what he wanted. Very interested to see how Walsh gets on at his next club, especially when playing against us next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted May 14, 2021 Report Share Posted May 14, 2021 8 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: Do people still think we only need 5 or 6 new players through the door then???? I said 8 minimum weeks ago and I'm sticking with that. Pearson said he likes working with a reduced squad, 5/6 added to the 18 listed below would leave you with a 23/24 man squad before any of the younger players may be sticking around the first team squad like Scott, Conway, Pearson etc, any departures from the list of 18 would obviously mean an incoming but I don't think 5 or 6 is an unrealistic number atm as Pearson said it wouldn't be a 1 summer fix. Edit - And that's before Weimann and Simpson added as well so 25/26 man squad with them. Dan Bentley Robbie Cundy Tomas Kalas Chris Martin Taylor Moore Ádám Nagy Callum O’Dowda Max O’Leary Kasey Palmer Zak Vyner Nahki Wells Joe Williams Jojo Wollacott Tyreeq Bakinson Jay Dasilva Han-Noah Massengo Cameron Pring Antoine Semenyo Other Players Under-24 Khari Allen Sam Bell Ayman Benarous Louis Britton William Buse Tommy Conway Owura Edwards Marlee Francois Prince Henry Saikou Janneh Joe Low James Morton George Nurse Josh Owers Sam Pearson Joe Porton Alex Scott Barney Soady James Taylor Ryley Towler Harvey Wiles-Richards Nathaniel Williams Callum Wood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedEyez Posted May 14, 2021 Report Share Posted May 14, 2021 Regardless of how much or how little NP rates Walsh. He said he wants players who wants to be here, Walsh clearly didn’t wanna be. No brainer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robin_unreliant Posted May 14, 2021 Report Share Posted May 14, 2021 2 minutes ago, RedEyez said: Everyone getting hung up on Walsh cos he had one good season in League 1. He’s done nothing in this league yet. It was clear he didn’t wanna be here after he liked City’s Instagram post of the 3-1 defeat to Brentford. See ya. Exactly. I think he'd made his mind up he didn't want to be here after his loan. Won't be surprised if he goes back to Coventry. If that happens there would also be a question about how real the injury really was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milo1111 Posted May 14, 2021 Report Share Posted May 14, 2021 20 minutes ago, WirralRobin said: Disappointing. I really don't get the logic re-Walsh In NP we trust though..... Maybe he wasn’t interested in resigning for us and wanted to move on. Just because he had been ‘released’ doesn’t tell us everything!! We might of offered him terms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchred Posted May 14, 2021 Report Share Posted May 14, 2021 2 minutes ago, marcofisher said: Under 24, free transfer and POTY in a Coventry side who are better than us? That was in league 1! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogbad the Bad Posted May 14, 2021 Report Share Posted May 14, 2021 4 minutes ago, RedEyez said: Everyone getting hung up on Walsh cos he had one good season in League 1. He’s done nothing in this league yet. It was clear he didn’t wanna be here after he liked City’s Instagram post of the 3-1 defeat to Brentford. See ya. No doubt we will next season - let's hope he proves as ineffectual against City as you seem to believe he will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebristolred Posted May 14, 2021 Report Share Posted May 14, 2021 Total guesswork, but it wouldn't surprise me if that's the best part of £150k per week gone from the wage bill. Hopefully lots of room for manoeuvre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLRed Posted May 14, 2021 Report Share Posted May 14, 2021 Wonder if walsh was the player being referred to on the night out bragging he got a 20k a week contract elsewhere? Might make sense if he’s been released. The only one out of the players mentioned with him that may be offered a contract like that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted May 14, 2021 Report Share Posted May 14, 2021 Just now, Lrrr said: Pearson said he likes working with a reduced squad, 5/6 added to the 18 listed below would leave you with a 23/24 man squad before any of the younger players may be sticking around the first team squad like Scott, Conway, Pearson etc, any departures from the list of 18 would obviously mean an incoming but I don't think 5 or 6 is an unrealistic number atm as Pearson said it wouldn't be a 1 summer fix. Dan Bentley Robbie Cundy Tomas Kalas Chris Martin Taylor Moore Ádám Nagy Callum O’Dowda Max O’Leary Kasey Palmer Zak Vyner Nahki Wells Joe Williams Jojo Wollacott Tyreeq Bakinson Jay Dasilva Han-Noah Massengo Cameron Pring Antoine Semenyo Other Players Under-24 Khari Allen Sam Bell Ayman Benarous Louis Britton William Buse Tommy Conway Owura Edwards Marlee Francois Prince Henry Saikou Janneh Joe Low James Morton George Nurse Josh Owers Sam Pearson Joe Porton Alex Scott Barney Soady James Taylor Ryley Towler Harvey Wiles-Richards Nathaniel Williams Callum Wood That's assuming all of those 18 stay, which they won't. I would expect one or two of those youngsters to be around the first team squad, the rest will go on loan. I took what Nige said about there not being major changes this summer with a pinch of salt at the time. It is clear as day that major changes are needed. This summer will be more revolution than evolution. It has to be after the past few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted May 14, 2021 Report Share Posted May 14, 2021 my feeling is that with the emergence of Alex Scott the urgency to get Walsh to sign a new contract lessened dramatically Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miser Posted May 14, 2021 Report Share Posted May 14, 2021 It may seem like a long list, but once you eliminate the invisibles, the permanently injured and the short term stop gaps, it's actually very short. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superjack Posted May 14, 2021 Report Share Posted May 14, 2021 Well if we really aren't looking for strikers then hopefully that means the two 'W's will finally get to play through the middle, where they should always have been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extonsred Posted May 14, 2021 Report Share Posted May 14, 2021 1 minute ago, Nogbad the Bad said: Very disappointing, but as you say we have to get behind NP and his decisions - although I doubt this outcome was what he wanted. Very interested to see how Walsh gets on at his next club, especially when playing against us next season. I had high hopes for Walsh but it has been evident for a couple of seasons now our midfield has been very weak and easily pushed aside. Walsh would certainly come into this category as did Massengo but he had bulked up and become a different player. We really need players who can boss the midfield and be much more threatening to the opposition. We have the youngsters coming through, on a lesser salary who can become as good as Walsh. Sad but makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted May 14, 2021 Report Share Posted May 14, 2021 Just now, Kid in the Riot said: That's assuming all of those 18 stay, which they won't. I would expect one or two of those youngsters to be around the first team squad, the rest will go on loan. I took what Nige said about there not being major changes this summer with a pinch of salt at the time. It is clear as day that major changes are needed. This summer will be more revolution than evolution. It has to be after the past few years. I did say if there was a reduction in that list of 18 it would mean an additional incoming, point being I think Nigel wants to be around the 25 mark plus youngsters brought in. Only interesting part for me is will youngsters be loaned out or kept with the 23's should Nigel want them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Hankey Posted May 14, 2021 Report Share Posted May 14, 2021 10 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: Do people still think we only need 5 or 6 new players through the door then???? I said 8 minimum weeks ago and I'm sticking with that. Very possible, maybe 5/6 in the summer then 2/3 in the Winter, or possibly those additional few 7 or 8 games into the season? Think we are going to see way more players than usual unemployed come the first kick of the season so can see there being plenty of free agents to sign after the start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcofisher Posted May 14, 2021 Report Share Posted May 14, 2021 3 minutes ago, frenchred said: That was in league 1! Tell that to Luke Ayling, Luke Freeman, Joe Bryan, Bobby Reid, Sam Baldock etc etc etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted May 14, 2021 Report Share Posted May 14, 2021 Funny isn’t it? I’m disappointed to see Walsh go - I suppose I look back fondly to the last league one player of the season we bought that I remember; one Michael Bell. Still if I’d been put in the position to start next season with either Walsh and Pato or neither, I’d definitely have taken neither. Suppose we’ve got to trust in Nige. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WirralRobin Posted May 14, 2021 Report Share Posted May 14, 2021 1 minute ago, Mr Hankey said: Same, not fully sure why Walsh has been labelled the next big thing by some on here. Done nothing apart from being injured in 3 and a half years at the club, had 1 decent loan spell in League 1 & people act like he is gonna be huge. Highly doubt he was any better than Luke Freeman in League 1 & i remember a lot of people being delighted when we shifted him on to QPR In defence of us Walsh supporters, we all like to watch good exciting football and I just think lot's of us saw him as a top technical player who would could have improved the dire excuse for football we've seen for the past couple of seasons when fit. Only twelve months ago he was widely seen as one of the best midfielders in league one and is still only 23 so we see a player that can still vastly improve going forward too. Put simply any player that can score goals like his against Rochdale last year (below, 1) or can pick a pass/loves a tackle like he can would be a player I'd rather have in and around the squad and on his day can be worth the price of the ticket on his own. (As a fan I look at our current squad and there are very few, if any, you get a feeling will be able to create something out of nothing or make something happen when they get on the ball. For a lot of us, we looked at Walsh as someone that, when fit, could have done that and added some excitement to our play.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superjack Posted May 14, 2021 Report Share Posted May 14, 2021 1 minute ago, Lrrr said: I did say if there was a reduction in that list of 18 it would mean an additional incoming, point being I think Nigel wants to be around the 25 mark plus youngsters brought in. Only interesting part for me is will youngsters be loaned out or kept with the 23's should Nigel want them... I reckon 2 or 3 will be kept around the first team squad. If I had to guess, I'd say Conway, Scott and possibly Britton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red_Alligator Posted May 14, 2021 Report Share Posted May 14, 2021 Farewell and good luck to all of them. Let the Nige era truly begin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted May 14, 2021 Report Share Posted May 14, 2021 Just now, Superjack said: I reckon 2 or 3 will be kept around the first team squad. If I had to guess, I'd say Conway, Scott and possibly Britton. I'm inclined to think Pearson, was used a fair amount and the wing is a place we're currently depleted in, sign a couple of first choice wingers and allow Pearson to be used in rotation/back up, can be sent on loan in Jan if heading to a league club or any time for national league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted May 14, 2021 Admin Report Share Posted May 14, 2021 8 minutes ago, robin_unreliant said: Exactly. I think he'd made his mind up he didn't want to be here after his loan. Won't be surprised if he goes back to Coventry. If that happens there would also be a question about how real the injury really was. Very likely I would say, especially as it is now fairly common knowledge about why one employee was released before the end of the season following issues about whether a (now released) player was actually injured Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandhurst Red Posted May 14, 2021 Report Share Posted May 14, 2021 19 minutes ago, Redpool said: Rather Weimann went too. Unsung hero - does so much that he does not get credited for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted May 14, 2021 Report Share Posted May 14, 2021 Just now, Sandhurst Red said: Unsung hero - does so much that he does not get credited for. Agreed. The epitome of a busy bee - I feel a bit sick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superjack Posted May 14, 2021 Report Share Posted May 14, 2021 1 minute ago, Lrrr said: I'm inclined to think Pearson, was used a fair amount and the wing is a place we're currently depleted in, sign a couple of first choice wingers and allow Pearson to be used in rotation/back up, can be sent on loan in Jan if heading to a league club or any time for national league. Yeah, you could be right. The Post seem to think that we aren't in the market for a striker, which is what makes me think that Conway and Britton may be kept around. And Scott looks the real deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveller Posted May 14, 2021 Report Share Posted May 14, 2021 6 minutes ago, extonsred said: I had high hopes for Walsh but it has been evident for a couple of seasons now our midfield has been very weak and easily pushed aside. Walsh would certainly come into this category as did Massengo but he had bulked up and become a different player. We really need players who can boss the midfield and be much more threatening to the opposition. We have the youngsters coming through, on a lesser salary who can become as good as Walsh. Sad but makes sense. Agree. All the signs are that NP wants more grit and strength. We are thinning out the over reliance on small technical players. Walsh and Paterson are good examples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted May 14, 2021 Report Share Posted May 14, 2021 Rarely has as much praise been heaped on a player who played 18 games for us over 3 seasons, as Liam Walsh. Along from other criteria, Pearson seems to be releasing players who have a history of long-lasting injuries. Walsh falls into this category. I agree with those who say Walsh would've beefed up our midfield presence had he been available all season. But he wasn't. And that is the point. We are now in the market for a midfield enforcer who can stop attacks going down the centre as well as move the ball up the field for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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