Bris Red Posted June 1, 2021 Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 1 minute ago, And Its Smith said: Trent can play RM, Trippier can also play LB if required and Walker can play CB in a back 3 is what everyone is conveniently missing when they are shouting about him taking 4 RB’s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coppello Posted June 1, 2021 Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 3 minutes ago, redsocks said: Southgate's a ****.he takes Henderson who has not played for months.he takes 4 right backs leaves Watkins at home and takes sancho and saka.we will be lucky to go through the group.need to take players who are in form not out of form. The same Sancho that has been excellent for Dortmund in the second half of the season and is in very good form. Saka is versatile and can play left back if needed whereas Watkins will struggle. I don't really see how Watkins would ever be utilised if you include Grealish and Foden in the list of potential wide attacking players which Southgate has in the past. I listened to a podcast the other day with Gary Lewin, the ex-England physio on it, and he was discussing selecting players who are coming back to fitness. He made a very valid point that we have two friendlies, and if we're planning on winning it, we have seven further matches for Henderson to come through. He adds a lot of experience and also some leadership which I feel we're lacking in the middle of the park. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard Posted June 1, 2021 Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 1 minute ago, bris red said: Trent can play RM, Trippier can also play LB if required and Walker can play CB in a back 3 is what everyone is conveniently missing when they are shouting about him taking 4 RB’s. Yep. I feel Walker is lucky as, like Sterling he's never really done it for England when it really matters. Not really creative and has a major cock up in him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsocks Posted June 1, 2021 Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 Why do you say watkins will struggle hes been consistent all season not just half a season plus we only have one natural goal scorer in harry kane.what if he got injured.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coppello Posted June 1, 2021 Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 3 minutes ago, redsocks said: Why do you say watkins will struggle hes been consistent all season not just half a season plus we only have one natural goal scorer in harry kane.what if he got injured.? Sorry, I mean he would struggle at left back as he doesn't have the versatility of Saka. If Kane got injured, we would then go down to Calvert-Lewin who would be a good in the middle of the park in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted June 1, 2021 Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 Sounds like Sol Campbell is whinging again that he’s not involved at the top of the game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted June 1, 2021 Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 I am not out-raged by the squad but I'd have included Ward-Prowse and left out a right back. I think Lingard and Watkins are unlucky to miss out too but I think we've got a raft of attacking midfielders and - beyond Kane - forwards who are of a relatively similar level and I can see the case for the players who have been included. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E.G.Red Posted June 1, 2021 Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said: I am not out-raged by the squad but I'd have included Ward-Prowse and left out a right back. I think Lingard and Watkins are unlucky to miss out too but I think we've got a raft of attacking midfielders and - beyond Kane - forwards who are of a relatively similar level and I can see the case for the players who have been included. But according to Gareth, Lingard will be playing in the game tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted June 1, 2021 Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, Lrrr said: Sounds like Sol Campbell is whinging again that he’s not involved at the top of the game I've just read the interview and I don't think he's whinging. Just saying he'd like to get something and he's not had a lot of luck with applications. To be honest, I think he's had a couple of massively tough jobs where it was hard for anyone to succeed but then, as a resultl, his CV looks like someone who hasn't succeeded. I think he's probably a bit better as a manager than he gets credit for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted June 1, 2021 Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 Just now, E.G.Red said: But according to Gareth, Lingard will be playing in the game tomorrow. Bit weird that. Guessing it is because players are recovering from the Champions League final but, if I were in his shoes, I'd not fancy playing in those circumstances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsocks Posted June 1, 2021 Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 Could harry kane play at left back no.hes a goalscorer like watkins.saka is not a goalscorer and would not need to play at left back as we have a million defenders anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Dante Posted June 1, 2021 Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said: I am not out-raged by the squad but I'd have included Ward-Prowse and left out a right back. I think Lingard and Watkins are unlucky to miss out too but I think we've got a raft of attacking midfielders and - beyond Kane - forwards who are of a relatively similar level and I can see the case for the players who have been included. That’s the thing - I know it’s the game but there’s a lot of faux outrage on SSN over things like Watkins’ omission. It becomes a case of who do you put him in instead of, which they can’t answer. Like you, I struggle to see OW or JL over what’s been selected over similar in their position. Ward Prowse is the notable one for me simply because we do look light in midfield. I think it speaks to a 3-4-3 formation, with two of the 4 being attacking players a la TAA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted June 1, 2021 Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 15 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said: Bit weird that. Guessing it is because players are recovering from the Champions League final but, if I were in his shoes, I'd not fancy playing in those circumstances. Bet he is hoping Lingard doesnt score a hat trick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidercity1987 Posted June 1, 2021 Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 It's usually a 23 man squad so the fact we have two more right backs means we still have one other extra player in a different position. At least 6 of them will play no part or 5 mins at the end of either the final group game, a comfortable win or a third place play off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tangle Foot Posted June 1, 2021 Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 1 hour ago, RedEyez said: Perhaps Southgate is bringing TAA as his utility man, after previously saying he can play in midfield too. Walker can also play CB/RCB. Options. Maybe TAA is going to the an option for RB/RWB (and possibly even RM). Reece James can play RB/RWB, RCB in a back 3 and can cover for Phillips, or Rice, as DM. Walker can play RB and RCB in a back 3, and Trippier can play RB/RWB or LB. A very versatile group of players, who are predominantly Right Backs. COYRs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor10 Posted June 1, 2021 Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 10 minutes ago, JonDolman said: 4 centre backs in a 26 man squad. Maguire - Injured Stones - Great season BUT in a dominating side who are all over nearly everyone they play. That is very important imo. If Southgate has us looking the poorer side in possession against the top nations but dangerous on the break, like our 3-2 away win against Spain, then Stones has a lot of defending to do. Coady - Decent. But there's better he hasn't gone with imo. Mings - Well he's left footed and big, is that all it takes to beat much better right footed centre backs to a place in the squad!? Just looks dodgy to me at prem level. Might be fine against poor opponents at international level but if you want to win the Euros, you don't want Tyrone Mings in your defence. I actually agree with Southgate in him wanting players that have played before for England and knows what Gareth wants, is familiar with the squad and putting on the England shirt. What I disagree with is going with Mings in the first place! Looking at that list if Maguire is injured then it suggests to me it will be 343. Walker right of a 3. James can do that role too like in the FA cup final. I'm fine with most of the rest of it. I would not have taken 4 rights back though. Even if we go 343 and and he sees Walker playing centre back. I'd rather just take 5 proper centre backs than 4 CBs and 4 RBs. What better CB options do you think we have? I don’t rate Coady or Mings but it’s difficult to see who would of gone over them when they have been involved by Southgate for a while now. I think the 4 RB’s means we are likely to play 3 at the back now with Walker or James on the right of a back 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor10 Posted June 1, 2021 Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 1 hour ago, redsocks said: Why do you say watkins will struggle hes been consistent all season not just half a season plus we only have one natural goal scorer in harry kane.what if he got injured.? I think if Kane got injured, god forbid we would have to play a completely different way. I think if that scenario happened then we would likely see Calvert-Lewin come in, or a different system having either Rashford, Sterling or even Mount used as a ‘false 9’ type over Watkins. I like Watkins but I can’t think of a scenario where he would be used over our other attacking options, which in turn I guess is why he misses out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted June 1, 2021 Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 5 minutes ago, Taylor10 said: What better CB options do you think we have? I don’t rate Coady or Mings but it’s difficult to see who would of gone over them when they have been involved by Southgate for a while now. I think the 4 RB’s means we are likely to play 3 at the back now with Walker or James on the right of a back 3. Not convinced with Mings. Villa fans seem to think Konsa is better. I do like Coady though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted June 1, 2021 Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 3 minutes ago, Taylor10 said: I think if Kane got injured, god forbid we would have to play a completely different way. I think if that scenario happened then we would likely see Calvert-Lewin come in, or a different system having either Rashford, Sterling or even Mount used as a ‘false 9’ type over Watkins. I like Watkins but I can’t think of a scenario where he would be used over our other attacking options, which in turn I guess is why he misses out. We are so light in the striker area. I would be tempted not to play Kane in either of these warm up games. We are doomed if he gets injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lew-T Posted June 1, 2021 Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 If Coady and Mings are in, Maguire doubtful, you have to feel for Webster. Probably his best chance of getting in that pretty average England back line. But the fact he’s gone with 4 RB’s suggests it’s going to be 3 at the back. That’s obvious... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairman Mao Posted June 1, 2021 Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 6 minutes ago, Super said: We are so light in the striker area. I would be tempted not to play Kane in either of these warm up games. We are doomed if he gets injured. If Kane is injured we may as well pack up and play the u21s to give them experience! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor10 Posted June 1, 2021 Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, JonDolman said: Webster, Godfrey, Tomori, Dunk, Konsa, White, Tarkowski, Holding Agree with all of those but there was no way with Maguire struggling he was going to take any of those over Coady or Mings. Especially when he’s consistently involved Coady & Mings. I personally would of gone with White & Tomori. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor10 Posted June 1, 2021 Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 7 minutes ago, Super said: We are so light in the striker area. I would be tempted not to play Kane in either of these warm up games. We are doomed if he gets injured. I think another thing with Kane is, if fit for the entire tournament unless we are winning a game comfortably he’s never going to be taken off, so will likely play more than anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor10 Posted June 1, 2021 Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 17 minutes ago, JonDolman said: Yeah it's just a shame Southgate gave experience to defenders who will never be that good. For me a number of those were better than Coady and Mings when he gave them their debuts. Now he feels he has to stick with those not so good defenders because of their experience. Agreed which is a real shame as I don’t think Coady & Mings are international class. Whereas the likes of White, Tomori, Godfrey have the potential to be. Take Tomori for instance, strange how he didn’t seem to figure at Chelsea yet goes to Milan and is a main stay in the side. I’m actually surprised he didn’t make at least the final 33. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Team Posted June 1, 2021 Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 2 hours ago, Coppello said: Out of interest, who haven't you heard of? There's a lot of young and exciting attacking talent in that squad. I have a feeling it's going to be the tournament in which Foden really shows his class. Shame our choice of keepers is so poor and we look a little light at centre back. Off the top of my head with no Googling and then going “oh him!”: Phillips Coady Johnstone James Saka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob k Posted June 1, 2021 Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 Just read that Lingard is starting tomorrow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaun Taylor Posted June 1, 2021 Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 Good summary although i would question Mings & Sara's selection Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_BCFC Posted June 1, 2021 Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 23 minutes ago, Shaun Taylor said: Good summary although i would question Sara's selection She's been good this season though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaun Taylor Posted June 1, 2021 Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 4 minutes ago, Alex_BCFC said: She's been good this season though. Agreed she certainly knows her stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted June 1, 2021 Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 1 hour ago, Super said: We are so light in the striker area. I would be tempted not to play Kane in either of these warm up games. We are doomed if he gets injured. Pretty sure Southgate can make adjustments for a couple of weeks yet in terms of injuries to players, I'd say give Calvert-Lewin and Kane 45 mins in each game, keep them fresh without exerting them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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