Portland Bill Posted May 22, 2021 Report Share Posted May 22, 2021 56 minutes ago, Pezo said: The problems at Sunderland are structural, I think he knows the problem, given the summer he has a 50% chance of fixing it. Someone new wouldn't see the problems until they were trying to sort out the squad and would then slowly realise the structural issues. He can’t manage a team through a 46 game season, he has failed at every club he’s been at. He is a failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeRed Posted May 22, 2021 Report Share Posted May 22, 2021 20 minutes ago, M.D said: More afraid if your an Ipswich fan.. I'd be very surprised if LJ went there. Even though Ashton is a massive bell end he'll know what a dick LJ is having worked with him, people say they were friendly but Ashton probably used him so he could blame him for all his crap signings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeRed Posted May 22, 2021 Report Share Posted May 22, 2021 13 minutes ago, M.D said: Is he wearing a bullet proof vest? A fat suit by the looks of it. He's caught on to the fat northern bloke look pretty quickly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TedsHeadIs Red Posted May 22, 2021 Report Share Posted May 22, 2021 I don’t really get the nastiness towards LJ. He did his best for us, loved the club, provided some success but ultimately didn’t quite make it so moved on. Pretty much like most of our previous managers but without the love. I know he talked a lot of nonsense in interviews but why can’t we just wish him all the best and forget about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fat Controller Posted May 22, 2021 Report Share Posted May 22, 2021 5 minutes ago, TedsHeadIs Red said: I don’t really get the nastiness towards LJ. He did his best for us, loved the club, provided some success but ultimately didn’t quite make it so moved on. Pretty much like most of our previous managers but without the love. I know he talked a lot of nonsense in interviews but why can’t we just wish him all the best and forget about it. It speaks volumes about the people making these comments, rather than Johnson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the1stknowle Posted May 22, 2021 Report Share Posted May 22, 2021 20 minutes ago, cityloyal473 said: I don't miss his waffling nonsense I must admit. He seems pretty confident he has backing going forwards and he's going to put his stamp on the team. God help Sunderland. Or... 49% win percentage and so he definitely should have backing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elruliri Posted May 22, 2021 Report Share Posted May 22, 2021 I couldn't give a toss what he had to say the bloke wasted 5 years of me watching City. Thank god we've got a proper manager in with a plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Oil Services Posted May 22, 2021 Report Share Posted May 22, 2021 1 hour ago, tin said: Eight seasons as a head coach for Johnson and zero promotions. Tells us all we need to know, really. I think only 4 - half of them - are full seasons, June to May including the recruitment and pre-season. Here, he was trying to get us into the Championship play-offs with just the one full season at a previous club (Oldham). Not enough experience and know-how between him and Ashton, not for us, at this level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityloyal473 Posted May 22, 2021 Report Share Posted May 22, 2021 8 minutes ago, TedsHeadIs Red said: I don’t really get the nastiness towards LJ. He did his best for us, loved the club, provided some success but ultimately didn’t quite make it so moved on. Pretty much like most of our previous managers but without the love. I know he talked a lot of nonsense in interviews but why can’t we just wish him all the best and forget about it. What success? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityloyal473 Posted May 22, 2021 Report Share Posted May 22, 2021 1 minute ago, the1stknowle said: Or... 49% win percentage and so he definitely should have backing. And? At his fourth club he proven once again that he's bang average (putting that politely). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillred Posted May 22, 2021 Report Share Posted May 22, 2021 13 minutes ago, TedsHeadIs Red said: I don’t really get the nastiness towards LJ. He did his best for us, loved the club, provided some success but ultimately didn’t quite make it so moved on. Pretty much like most of our previous managers but without the love. I know he talked a lot of nonsense in interviews but why can’t we just wish him all the best and forget about it. But where's the fun in that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TedsHeadIs Red Posted May 22, 2021 Report Share Posted May 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, cityloyal473 said: What success? Establishing us as a second tier club when we had mostly been a third tier club for a long time. Plus a league cup run to the semifinal where we almost matched one of the best teams in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted May 22, 2021 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2021 7 minutes ago, sinenomine said: It speaks volumes about the people making these comments, rather than Johnson. To be fair I think it says a lot about Johnson. He rubs people up the wrong way with his bollocks and that’s ignoring his wastefulness of resources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyTonyTony Posted May 22, 2021 Report Share Posted May 22, 2021 Strange how some seem to be enjoying his failure. I don’t get it. Why do you want someone to fail? Quite a sad way to think about things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted May 22, 2021 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2021 1 minute ago, TedsHeadIs Red said: Establishing us as a second tier club when we had mostly been a third tier club for a long time. Plus a league cup run to the semifinal where we almost matched one of the best teams in the world. No one ever mentions the trebling of the wage bill do they? I wonder why. Such a fairytale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityloyal473 Posted May 22, 2021 Report Share Posted May 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, TedsHeadIs Red said: Establishing us as a second tier club when we had mostly been a third tier club for a long time. Plus a league cup run to the semifinal where we almost matched one of the best teams in the world. I refuse to waste my time with this nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityloyal473 Posted May 22, 2021 Report Share Posted May 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, TonyTonyTony said: Strange how some seem to be enjoying his failure. I don’t get it. Why do you want someone to fail? Quite a sad way to think about things It's vindication for most that he's a bluffing ****. And frustration that he was given so much time and resources here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted May 22, 2021 Report Share Posted May 22, 2021 9 minutes ago, cityloyal473 said: What success? First major cup semi final in 30 years Saved us from relegation Made us into an established championship side, one that spent a lot of time in the top 6 of the division (though ultimately failed to make playoffs and I understand that criticism) A lot of people on here are either fickle or just lacking a sense of perspective In my 30 years as a City fan we’ve only ever been an “established” Championship/Level 2 side for a few years and they came under managers with the name Johnson. He failed to kick on to the next level but FFS he wasn’t a failure and he certainly didn’t “waste 5 years”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityloyal473 Posted May 22, 2021 Report Share Posted May 22, 2021 3 minutes ago, MarcusX said: First major cup semi final in 30 years Saved us from relegation Made us into an established championship side, one that spent a lot of time in the top 6 of the division (though ultimately failed to make playoffs and I understand that criticism) A lot of people on here are either fickle or just lacking a sense of perspective In my 30 years as a City fan we’ve only ever been an “established” Championship/Level 2 side for a few years and they came under managers with the name Johnson. He failed to kick on to the next level but FFS he wasn’t a failure and he certainly didn’t “waste 5 years”. I'll ask again: what success? If he was that "successful" why did he get sacked. Should have been given the freedom of the city for these achievements. Is he a success at Sunderland for getting them to the play offs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warwickshire Red Posted May 22, 2021 Report Share Posted May 22, 2021 “We haven’t been good enough for whatever reason”. Could be just a platitude but comes across like he doesn’t know why (maybe he doesn’t, genuinely). If he doesn’t know, could explain why he’s falling short (no pun intended). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted May 22, 2021 Report Share Posted May 22, 2021 28 minutes ago, TedsHeadIs Red said: I don’t really get the nastiness towards LJ. He did his best for us, loved the club, provided some success but ultimately didn’t quite make it so moved on. Pretty much like most of our previous managers but without the love. I know he talked a lot of nonsense in interviews but why can’t we just wish him all the best and forget about it. 22 minutes ago, sinenomine said: It speaks volumes about the people making these comments, rather than Johnson. Agreed. It’s all very weird and personal. I’d have liked to see him get Sunderland promoted, just the same as I’d wish any former manager well, and personally I certainly wouldn’t make a thread hoping one of them fails. I appreciate why people felt he was the wrong appointment or should’ve been sacked earlier.. but all of this personal stuff feels disproportionate. The guy tried his best and his time was up, as often happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TedsHeadIs Red Posted May 22, 2021 Report Share Posted May 22, 2021 1 minute ago, cityloyal473 said: I'll ask again: what success? If he was that "successful" why did he get sacked. Should have been given the freedom of the city for these achievements. Not as successful as either he or we would have liked. That’s the same for the majority of managers. The question is: why the nasty vitriol against him in particular? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted May 22, 2021 Report Share Posted May 22, 2021 31 minutes ago, CodeRed said: I'd be very surprised if LJ went there. Even though Ashton is a massive bell end he'll know what a dick LJ is having worked with him, people say they were friendly but Ashton probably used him so he could blame him for all his crap signings. Agreed although I think that works both ways. LJ has previously alluded to stuff going on behind the scenes here and I'd be amazed if at least some of it wasn't down to Ashton. It's far from a given that he'd want to work with Ashton again and assuming Sunderland don't get rid this summer I'd be quite interested to see what his recruitment is like without Ashton doing the deals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Street red Posted May 22, 2021 Report Share Posted May 22, 2021 23 minutes ago, cityloyal473 said: What success? Successful at making us a complete mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityloyal473 Posted May 22, 2021 Report Share Posted May 22, 2021 1 minute ago, TedsHeadIs Red said: Not as successful as either he or we would have liked. That’s the same for the majority of managers. The question is: why the nasty vitriol against him in particular? What vitriol? He's a bluffer and I'm calling him out on it. Talks the talk but cannot walk the walk. Four clubs now, zero tangible achievements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted May 22, 2021 Report Share Posted May 22, 2021 Just now, cityloyal473 said: What vitriol? He's a bluffer and I'm calling him out on it. Talks the talk but cannot walk the walk. Four clubs now, zero tangible achievements. No other manager, aside from perhaps Pulis, would get a thread like this - and with Johnson he genuinely tried his best. It’s weird and feels personal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAmNick Posted May 22, 2021 Report Share Posted May 22, 2021 21 minutes ago, TedsHeadIs Red said: Establishing us as a second tier club when we had mostly been a third tier club for a long time. Plus a league cup run to the semifinal where we almost matched one of the best teams in the world. Had we? In the 10 years before Lee joined we were in the Championship for 6 of them... finishing higher than when he was here in general too. We were only back in L1 for 2 in between remember. 7 minutes ago, TedsHeadIs Red said: Not as successful as either he or we would have liked. That’s the same for the majority of managers. The question is: why the nasty vitriol against him in particular? He was an extremely divisive player for us, more than any other I can remember for a long time. He replaced an extremely popular manager, many people thought too soon which got him off on a bad foot. He was here for a long time, so people formed strong opinions and stuck by them. His interview style rubbed a lot of people the wrong way. I'm not saying any of that justifies it of course, I think it's definitely OTT, but it's not too hard to understand why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted May 22, 2021 Report Share Posted May 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: No other manager, aside from perhaps Pulis, would get a thread like this - and with Johnson he genuinely tried his best. It’s weird and feels personal. There's a remarkable crossover in the amount of posters who get annoyed by talk of former players/managers but take delight in blasting LJ at any chance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted May 22, 2021 Report Share Posted May 22, 2021 14 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: Agreed. It’s all very weird and personal. I’d have liked to see him get Sunderland promoted, just the same as I’d wish any former manager well, and personally I certainly wouldn’t make a thread hoping one of them fails. I appreciate why people felt he was the wrong appointment or should’ve been sacked earlier.. but all of this personal stuff feels disproportionate. The guy tried his best and his time was up, as often happens. Yep. I can absolutely understand that people don't rate him, didn't want him here or don't like the way he comes across, but for quite a few on here it goes beyond that into something more personal, and in one or two cases it's bordering on obsessive hatred. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityloyal473 Posted May 22, 2021 Report Share Posted May 22, 2021 1 minute ago, Phileas Fogg said: No other manager, aside from perhaps Pulis, would get a thread like this - and with Johnson he genuinely tried his best. It’s weird and feels personal. I've said on many threads that as a person I genuinely like him. He's personable and has the best of intentions. But on a work level the guy is out of his depth and is actually dangerous to his employers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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