ExiledAjax Posted June 21, 2022 Report Share Posted June 21, 2022 48 minutes ago, chinapig said: It seems Appleby's bid is in its "final strokes". So a takeover may be <ahem> coming soon. https://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/derby-county-andy-appleby-takeover-7234131 Quantuma are all ready for the money shot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted June 21, 2022 Admin Report Share Posted June 21, 2022 So this afternoon Ashley is claiming he kept a small number of shares in Newcastle His name is also now being muted as sniffing around investing in Sheffield Utd This could get more interesting still yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted June 21, 2022 Report Share Posted June 21, 2022 17 hours ago, ScottishRed said: That is wrong on every level. No political party should get involved in a situation like this. They are grasping at straws. With £30m+ owed to HMRC, any involvement by the Govt in "brokering" a deal that involved the buyer paying a fraction of that debt would surely cause an absolute 5h!tstorm! 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted June 21, 2022 Report Share Posted June 21, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, downendcity said: With £30m+ owed to HMRC, any involvement by the Govt in "brokering" a deal that involved the buyer paying a fraction of that debt would surely cause an absolute 5h!tstorm! Totally agree- although Nixon seems adamant that some kind of deal has been done HMRC wise, depends how big a % too doesn't it? I think they should be paid in full- £35m last time I saw- Kieran Maguire suggested 80%, someone on the Derby forum suggested one of the bids was 50% over 3 years. However yes given Mel Morris donated to the Conservative Party in 2017- albeit once and not a lot- what can be ruled out here. Ironically Quantuma themselves wrote a piece early into Covid on their website which suggested that HMRC had to be paid in full. To clarify my point slightly, Derby and HMRC may agree a deal but I am surprised that nobody in the media considers the Tory donation of Mel Morris in 2017 to be of relevance given he still is playing an integral role here. Any Government involvement and...well. Edited June 21, 2022 by Mr Popodopolous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midred Posted June 21, 2022 Report Share Posted June 21, 2022 22 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Dunno if this has been posted but Supporters Groups are now asking Kwasi Kwarteng to intervene. https://ramstrust.org.uk/wp/supporters-groups-send-letter-to-kwasi-kwarteng/ Have they tried contacting Nadine? Presumably she's optimistic that they'll still be available to play in the T20 blast next season? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted June 21, 2022 Report Share Posted June 21, 2022 Two caveats here- I am unsure if this is Scotland specific and secondly it was written before the finalised restoration of Crown Preference came in, during Covid- but check the authors...company wise at least. For those who are interested. https://www.quantuma.com/insights/rescuing-football-clubs-thing-past Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottishRed Posted June 21, 2022 Report Share Posted June 21, 2022 33 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Totally agree- although Nixon seems adamant that some kind of deal has been done HMRC wise, depends how big a % too doesn't it? I think they should be paid in full- £35m last time I saw- Kieran Maguire suggested 80%, someone on the Derby forum suggested one of the bids was 50% over 3 years. However yes given Mel Morris donated to the Conservative Party in 2017- albeit once and not a lot- what can be ruled out here. Ironically Quantuma themselves wrote a piece early into Covid on their website which suggested that HMRC had to be paid in full. To clarify my point slightly, Derby and HMRC may agree a deal but I am surprised that nobody in the media considers the Tory donation of Mel Morris in 2017 to be of relevance given he still is playing an integral role here. Any Government involvement and...well. @Mr Popodopolous If any sweetheart deal has or will be done with HMRC there will be hell to pay in the country generally and not just amongst supporters of other clubs. IF, a deal in done I would be saying to SL for example, fill your boots and don’t bother paying the taxman you will get away with it as a precedent has been set. Also, ANY, political party that gets involved in this and tries to influence are utterly insane. For me time is up - liquidate them. 8 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted June 21, 2022 Report Share Posted June 21, 2022 11 minutes ago, ScottishRed said: @Mr Popodopolous If any sweetheart deal has or will be done with HMRC there will be hell to pay in the country generally and not just amongst supporters of other clubs. IF, a deal in done I would be saying to SL for example, fill your boots and don’t bother paying the taxman you will get away with it as a precedent has been set. Also, ANY, political party that gets involved in this and tries to influence are utterly insane. For me time is up - liquidate them. This. My VAT is due at the end of the month and I wonder what would happen if I only paid 25% of the bill and told HMRC I was a bit strapped for the rest...................................... 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted June 21, 2022 Report Share Posted June 21, 2022 5 minutes ago, Lanterne Rouge said: This. My VAT is due at the end of the month and I wonder what would happen if I only paid 25% of the bill and told HMRC I was a bit strapped for the rest...................................... Which would hurt the most? Hanging, drawing or quartering? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted June 21, 2022 Report Share Posted June 21, 2022 1 hour ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Totally agree- although Nixon seems adamant that some kind of deal has been done HMRC wise, depends how big a % too doesn't it? I think they should be paid in full- £35m last time I saw- Kieran Maguire suggested 80%, someone on the Derby forum suggested one of the bids was 50% over 3 years. However yes given Mel Morris donated to the Conservative Party in 2017- albeit once and not a lot- what can be ruled out here. Ironically Quantuma themselves wrote a piece early into Covid on their website which suggested that HMRC had to be paid in full. To clarify my point slightly, Derby and HMRC may agree a deal but I am surprised that nobody in the media considers the Tory donation of Mel Morris in 2017 to be of relevance given he still is playing an integral role here. Any Government involvement and...well. Perhaps the HMRC deal is all of the money but over 10 years or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted June 21, 2022 Report Share Posted June 21, 2022 1 minute ago, Davefevs said: Perhaps the HMRC deal is all of the money but over 10 years or something. Could be. Although Nixon has suggested a % but then Nixon can be quite opaque and whether he truly knows the finer details who can say. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyderInACan Posted June 21, 2022 Report Share Posted June 21, 2022 It’s like death by a thousand cuts, this sorry saga. It’s clear they’ve got no money, no ground and no chance. The EFL have been strung along for far too long now, it’s time to put them out of their misery. The EFL’s credibility tank is running on fumes now. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted June 21, 2022 Report Share Posted June 21, 2022 1 hour ago, cidered abroad said: Which would hurt the most? Hanging, drawing or quartering? Quartering - is that being forced to support Rovers? 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted June 21, 2022 Report Share Posted June 21, 2022 4 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Totally agree- although Nixon seems adamant that some kind of deal has been done HMRC wise, depends how big a % too doesn't it? I think they should be paid in full- £35m last time I saw- Kieran Maguire suggested 80%, someone on the Derby forum suggested one of the bids was 50% over 3 years. However yes given Mel Morris donated to the Conservative Party in 2017- albeit once and not a lot- what can be ruled out here. Ironically Quantuma themselves wrote a piece early into Covid on their website which suggested that HMRC had to be paid in full. To clarify my point slightly, Derby and HMRC may agree a deal but I am surprised that nobody in the media considers the Tory donation of Mel Morris in 2017 to be of relevance given he still is playing an integral role here. Any Government involvement and...well. I think we can dismiss nixon at this point after the ck debacle 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted June 21, 2022 Report Share Posted June 21, 2022 1 hour ago, downendcity said: Quartering - is that being forced to support Rovers? Could there be anything more painful? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted June 21, 2022 Report Share Posted June 21, 2022 8 minutes ago, Rich said: Could there be anything more painful? Yep. Be made to actually go to their games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted June 21, 2022 Report Share Posted June 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, Lanterne Rouge said: Yep. Be made to actually go to their games. Ahh! I forgot that bit. When I say I support City, I mean that I actually go and support them. Rovers seem to have always had the "supporters" that don't actually go to the games. Used to be found in Broadmead with their scarves on while, Rovers were playing a mile and a half down the road. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILINFRANCE Posted June 21, 2022 Report Share Posted June 21, 2022 3 hours ago, Monkeh said: I think we can dismiss nixon at this point after the ck debacle A valid and very astute post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ska Junkie Posted June 22, 2022 Report Share Posted June 22, 2022 18 hours ago, cidered abroad said: Which would hurt the most? Hanging, drawing or quartering? I would have thought they all chafe a bit CA. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted June 22, 2022 Report Share Posted June 22, 2022 29 minutes ago, Davefevs said: But they're all desperate to stay. Must be true, Wayne Rooney's Derby County manager Wayne Rooney said so. Watch their fans turn on their heroes now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hxj Posted June 22, 2022 Report Share Posted June 22, 2022 36 minutes ago, chinapig said: Watch their fans turn on their heroes now. Already happened, old news on their forum. Biggest concern now seems to be the two pre-season matches arranged. Away at Bradford and Stevenage. Still no acceptance that they will be lucky to paddle in that pool, let alone League One next season. I'd post a link to their forum, but it won't work. The Administration Thread - Page 2175 - Derby County Forum - DCFC Fans 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted June 22, 2022 Report Share Posted June 22, 2022 5 minutes ago, Hxj said: Already happened, old news on their forum. Biggest concern now seems to be the two pre-season matches arranged. Away at Bradford and Stevenage. Still no acceptance that they will be lucky to paddle in that pool, let alone League One next season. I'd post a link to their forum, but it won't work. The Administration Thread - Page 2175 - Derby County Forum - DCFC Fans I only have a look at their forum occasionally as the entitlement, ignorance of the rules, special pleading and conspiracy theories get a bit wearing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted June 22, 2022 Admin Report Share Posted June 22, 2022 Interesting post over there: Just reading what happened with Rangers. "If a player wishes to object to being transferred to the new owner his contract of employment would immediately come to an end leaving him with no contract, no dismissal and no right to compensation from either old club or new club "Both the club and the player are then free from their contractual obligations." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted June 22, 2022 Report Share Posted June 22, 2022 9 minutes ago, phantom said: Interesting post over there: Just reading what happened with Rangers. "If a player wishes to object to being transferred to the new owner his contract of employment would immediately come to an end leaving him with no contract, no dismissal and no right to compensation from either old club or new club "Both the club and the player are then free from their contractual obligations." I wonder if the fact that Rangers were liquidated by HMRC means there is no direct comparison with Derby as it stands though. Yet. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hxj Posted June 22, 2022 Report Share Posted June 22, 2022 38 minutes ago, chinapig said: there is no direct comparison with Derby as it stands though. Yet. The rules apply to a 'Transfer of an Undertaking' so until 'NewCo' appears agreed, until then the players are bound by their contracts. The TUPE rules allow an individual to refuse the transfer to a NewCo or to treat the contract as ending through breach of contract on the transfer. So in reality there is a case. 2 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sephjnr Posted June 22, 2022 Report Share Posted June 22, 2022 From the "good luck with that" files, Leicester City have said they have a preseason friendly against Derby coming up. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted June 22, 2022 Report Share Posted June 22, 2022 3 minutes ago, sephjnr said: From the "good luck with that" files, Leicester City have said they have a preseason friendly against Derby coming up. It's a 5-a-side game though. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sephjnr Posted June 22, 2022 Report Share Posted June 22, 2022 2 minutes ago, chinapig said: It's a 5-a-side game though. As Dave posted above, they may only have 5 players for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILINFRANCE Posted June 22, 2022 Report Share Posted June 22, 2022 30 minutes ago, sephjnr said: From the "good luck with that" files, Leicester City have said they have a preseason friendly against Derby coming up. So, we meet again, says Wayne Rooney to Jamie Vardy. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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