chinapig Posted June 24, 2022 Report Share Posted June 24, 2022 2 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said: Seriously though. What's happening with the statue? It's been dumped in the nearest river. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTRFTG Posted June 24, 2022 Report Share Posted June 24, 2022 3 hours ago, Hxj said: No further penalty. Just get thrown out of the league if in Administration for 18 months. Further sanctions will arise if: 1. Exit Administration with unpaid football creditors - expulsion 2. Exit Administration and unsecured creditors paid less than 25%, or less than 35% over three years - minus 15 points 3. Fail to pay wages before 30 June 2023 - 3 point penalty plus any other appropriate penalty for offence 4. Fail to meet FFP for years to 2022 - Who knows And then there's the one the EFL seem to make up as they go. The EFL supposedly retain sanctions against clubs who exit administration but in having done so have gained an advantage over their peers where secured debt is not repaid in full. It's said this is usually in the form of further transfer embargoes but I don't think there's a hard and fast rule as to how these are calculated. Suppose the New Derby emerge having done (by agreement) HMRC out of £20m. Is there a time Vs cost calculation as to how this isn't 'repaid' (sic)? There couldn't be a blanket embargo as Derby wouldn't have a playing squad with which to continue, so what might be the punishment? Seems to me the EFL are as duplicitous as some of their members. For example, in response to Derby fans questioning why Derby were denied access to emergency Covid loans the EFL correctly responded they weren't, Derby didn't apply for them. Of course what the EFL didn't widely publicise was for Derby to have applied for the new loans they'd have to have consolidated all existing football related loans AND demonstrated they had means to repay the consolidated loans, which Derby clearly weren't in a position to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfOfWestStreet Posted June 24, 2022 Report Share Posted June 24, 2022 What a mess that club is in. Thought he did a pretty good job despite it all. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted June 24, 2022 Report Share Posted June 24, 2022 Just now, Bristol Rob said: Further to the other comments. I've seen at least one report in the past that he was on £90k a week. Probably overstated but either way under the business plan the EFL will impose they certainly can't afford him any more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTRFTG Posted June 24, 2022 Report Share Posted June 24, 2022 (edited) Derby fans will be heartened to learn of Clowes 'Principle Activity & Business Model' from the Holding Group's strategic report: "The group’s principal activities are the acquisition of land, buildings and property to achieve development sales. Properties are rented out whilst the group seeks appropriate opportunities and permissions to develop individual properties on the sites on which they are located. The group always considers reasonable offers for all of its properties, but has the financial strength that it will never be a forced seller. If the group considers there is substantial long-term value in a property, it will retain the asset until the right opportunity to sell or re-develop the property arises and can afford to carry all assets indefinitely" What might possibly go wrong? Edited June 24, 2022 by BTRFTG 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo88 Posted June 24, 2022 Report Share Posted June 24, 2022 It’s obvious why Wayne decided to leave. He knew he had to visit the Mem at Horfield this season if he stayed. This made him realise how far his career had fallen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted June 24, 2022 Report Share Posted June 24, 2022 Think that has probably reduced their appearances on Sky next season by 80%. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted June 24, 2022 Report Share Posted June 24, 2022 It's worth bearing in mind that Rooney very much committed himself to Kirchner and that Kirchner reportedly planned to have Paul Stretford on the Board. Paul Stretford is Rooney's agent and has something of a controversial past. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Geoff Posted June 24, 2022 Report Share Posted June 24, 2022 I wonder what number he will appear on 'the list' now ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted June 24, 2022 Report Share Posted June 24, 2022 23 minutes ago, GrahamC said: Think that has probably reduced their appearances on Sky next season by 80%. Sky League Cup games yesterday Derby v Mansfield today: Derby v Mansfield 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristolisredd Posted June 24, 2022 Report Share Posted June 24, 2022 Give him the england job 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeneys Penalties Posted June 24, 2022 Report Share Posted June 24, 2022 2 hours ago, chinapig said: I've seen at least one report in the past that he was on £90k a week. Probably overstated but either way under the business plan the EFL will impose they certainly can't afford him any more. Thought his salary was paid by a betting company. 32Red.com or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted June 24, 2022 Report Share Posted June 24, 2022 Just now, Sweeneys Penalties said: Thought his salary was paid by a betting company. 32Red.com or something. When he first signed as a player 32Red happened to sponsor Derby for about the same amount as Rooney was paid. He also happened to wear 32. But 32Red never directly paid his wages. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted June 24, 2022 Report Share Posted June 24, 2022 SMH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hxj Posted June 24, 2022 Report Share Posted June 24, 2022 (edited) My understanding is that Rooney is not happy with the Clowes takeover. The Clowes family run a very successful property business, very well, very carefully and very astutely. They are simply funding the continued existence, there is little extra money for development and cost cutting (probably the Category 1 Academy) is required. Edited June 24, 2022 by Hxj 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveller Posted June 24, 2022 Report Share Posted June 24, 2022 Just now, Hxj said: My understanding is that he is not happy with the Clowes takeover. The Clowes family run a very successful property business, very well, very carefully and very astutely. They are simply funding the continued existence, there is little extra money for development and cost cutting (probably the Category 1 Academy) is required. Why would a well run club pay a League One manager £4-5m pa? Perhaps they asked him to walk and he did the decent thing. His £80-90Kpw would pay a whole team at that level, with Liam Rosenior as an adequate manager. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeneys Penalties Posted June 24, 2022 Report Share Posted June 24, 2022 9 minutes ago, Leveller said: Why would a well run club pay a League One manager £4-5m pa? Perhaps they asked him to walk and he did the decent thing. His £80-90Kpw would pay a whole team at that level, with Liam Rosenior as an adequate manager. Spoke to a friend this evening about this very thing. Friend was a Derby player years ago. He didn't exactly rule out Liam as a replacement 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveller Posted June 24, 2022 Report Share Posted June 24, 2022 52 minutes ago, Sweeneys Penalties said: Spoke to a friend this evening about this very thing. Friend was a Derby player years ago. He didn't exactly rule out Liam as a replacement I’ve now read on the BBC website that Quantuma asked Rooney to stay on. Seems odd, if they’re acting for the creditors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILINFRANCE Posted June 24, 2022 Report Share Posted June 24, 2022 54 minutes ago, Leveller said: I’ve now read on the BBC website that Quantuma asked Rooney to stay on. Seems odd, if they’re acting for the creditors. A higher value for the Club with, rather than without WR, plus more likelihood of soon to be out of contract players staying on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveller Posted June 24, 2022 Report Share Posted June 24, 2022 Just now, PHILINFRANCE said: A higher value for the Club with, rather than without WR, plus more likelihood of soon to be out of contract players staying on? With his contract costing them £4-5m pa in League One? Guaranteed future loss surely? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILINFRANCE Posted June 24, 2022 Report Share Posted June 24, 2022 7 minutes ago, Leveller said: With his contract costing them £4-5m pa in League One? Guaranteed future loss surely? Wasn’t that (effectively) being paid by the sponsors? Will they stay, now WR has gone? Obviously, I have no idea, but I should imagine they will now lose out on some SKY live match coverage, with its associated fees, and, presumably, other potential sponsorship, thus reducing the Club’s overall value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted June 25, 2022 Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 10 hours ago, PHILINFRANCE said: Wasn’t that (effectively) being paid by the sponsors? Will they stay, now WR has gone? Obviously, I have no idea, but I should imagine they will now lose out on some SKY live match coverage, with its associated fees, and, presumably, other potential sponsorship, thus reducing the Club’s overall value. IIRC, 32red were already Derby's shirt sponsor, but when he signed they agreed to increase the sponsorship deal in return for Rooney wearing shirt no.32. The increase in the annual sponsorship deal was (conveniently) the amount of Rooney's annual wage. As the sponsor was paying DCFC, not Rooney, it sidestepped any problems with third party ownership of the player. Funny that the increase in sponsorship was for the amount of WR's wages and the valuation of Pride Park enabled a profit on "sale" sufficient to clear their ffp problems! I'm guessing that, as Rooney is no longer with the club, if 32red remain as shirt sponsor the deal will revert to the value it was prior to WR's signing - or , of course a lesser amount if they had a relegation clause in the sponsorship contract! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crackers Corner Posted June 25, 2022 Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 job for Joey Barton? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hxj Posted June 25, 2022 Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 So now no First Team keeper and Lawrence is going too. Club is disintegrating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted June 26, 2022 Report Share Posted June 26, 2022 David Clowes has bid accepted for Derby County as Liam Rosenior is put in interim charge - BBC Sport Amazing how quickly this has happened. Why did Quantuma waste so much time on pointless bids up to now? They really don`t deserve to get paid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted June 26, 2022 Report Share Posted June 26, 2022 5 minutes ago, Lanterne Rouge said: David Clowes has bid accepted for Derby County as Liam Rosenior is put in interim charge - BBC Sport Amazing how quickly this has happened. Why did Quantuma waste so much time on pointless bids up to now? They really don`t deserve to get paid. My guess is Clowes bought the stadium on the basis of Quantuma's assurance that Kirchner's deal for the club would go through. Clowes could then collect the rent. I don't think Clowes was interested in buying the club at that stage. Quite why anybody would be convinced by either Quantuma or Kirchner is a mystery we may never get the answer to. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted June 26, 2022 Report Share Posted June 26, 2022 24 minutes ago, chinapig said: My guess is Clowes bought the stadium on the basis of Quantuma's assurance that Kirchner's deal for the club would go through. Clowes could then collect the rent. I don't think Clowes was interested in buying the club at that stage. Quite why anybody would be convinced by either Quantuma or Kirchner is a mystery we may never get the answer to. it`s like the changing of the seasons or the tides of the sea. Seems rather appropriate really. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted June 26, 2022 Report Share Posted June 26, 2022 2 hours ago, Lanterne Rouge said: it`s like the changing of the seasons or the tides of the sea. Seems rather appropriate really. Here’s the thing that’s driving me berserk why do only Clowes and Kirschner work! 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchred Posted June 26, 2022 Report Share Posted June 26, 2022 51 minutes ago, REDOXO said: Here’s the thing that’s driving me berserk why do only Clowes and Kirschner work! Mange tout Rodney!! :laugh: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midred Posted June 26, 2022 Report Share Posted June 26, 2022 4 hours ago, chinapig said: My guess is Clowes bought the stadium on the basis of Quantuma's assurance that Kirchner's deal for the club would go through. Clowes could then collect the rent. I don't think Clowes was interested in buying the club at that stage. Quite why anybody would be convinced by either Quantuma or Kirchner is a mystery we may never get the answer to. It will be interesting if Clowes changes his mind after looking at the books! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.