ScottishRed Posted June 26, 2022 Report Share Posted June 26, 2022 I hope this works out, as long as the creditors and, most importantly, HMRC, get paid in full. Anything else is completely unacceptable and opens the floodgates to more Mel Morris’s. On the current situation that the country is in there will be an utter outcry if the Government is seen to be helping fund a football club - and rightly so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted June 27, 2022 Report Share Posted June 27, 2022 5 hours ago, frenchred said: Mange tout Rodney!! Versprung derct technic Frenchy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted June 27, 2022 Report Share Posted June 27, 2022 8 hours ago, ScottishRed said: I hope this works out, as long as the creditors and, most importantly, HMRC, get paid in full. Anything else is completely unacceptable and opens the floodgates to more Mel Morris’s. On the current situation that the country is in there will be an utter outcry if the Government is seen to be helping fund a football club - and rightly so. The government can't help as it breaches the state and rules by fifa and uefa, which would see England banned from international tournaments and domestic clubs banned from Europe, I think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTRFTG Posted June 27, 2022 Report Share Posted June 27, 2022 16 hours ago, chinapig said: My guess is Clowes bought the stadium on the basis of Quantuma's assurance that Kirchner's deal for the club would go through. Clowes could then collect the rent. I don't think Clowes was interested in buying the club at that stage. Quite why anybody would be convinced by either Quantuma or Kirchner is a mystery we may never get the answer to. Or..... if the deal for the club doesn't go through what better a Derby fan crying crocodile tears bemoaning he tried his best to save his beloved club but where's he now going to find a property developer to take Pride Park off his hands? (Looks in the mirror .....) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveF Posted June 27, 2022 Report Share Posted June 27, 2022 Could we nab Bielik for our vacant DM position? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted June 27, 2022 Report Share Posted June 27, 2022 12 minutes ago, DaveF said: Could we nab Bielik for our vacant DM position? He'll go to better club then us I think davef imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveF Posted June 27, 2022 Report Share Posted June 27, 2022 2 minutes ago, Monkeh said: He'll go to better club then us I think davef imo Yeah I expect so, has had awful luck with ACL injuries though so hopefully he's past them. Apparently Derby are willing to let him out on loan but don't want to sell which seems a bit odd considering their situation... https://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/derby-county-krystian-bielik-transfer-7222537 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted June 27, 2022 Report Share Posted June 27, 2022 Wages will be far too high for Lg1, so I guess they think they’ll get some mug to loan him and pay wages whilst they get back to the Champ!!! I suspect new owners will have a different view to the administrators! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Midred Posted June 27, 2022 Report Share Posted June 27, 2022 1 hour ago, Davefevs said: Wages will be far too high for Lg1, so I guess they think they’ll get some mug to loan him and pay wages whilst they get back to the Champ!!! I suspect new owners will have a different view to the administrators! They still think that they can have their cake, and eat it!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTRFTG Posted June 27, 2022 Report Share Posted June 27, 2022 If EFL had any they'd take a big stick to Derby who having argued in court that Pride Park was 'worth' £81m has just seen it sold for £22m. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Londoner Posted June 27, 2022 Report Share Posted June 27, 2022 20 minutes ago, BTRFTG said: If EFL had any they'd take a big stick to Derby who having argued in court that Pride Park was 'worth' £81m has just seen it sold for £22m. Although it’s only worth as much as someone is willing to pay for it at the end of the day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTRFTG Posted June 27, 2022 Report Share Posted June 27, 2022 1 hour ago, East Londoner said: Although it’s only worth as much as someone is willing to pay for it at the end of the day Exactly, but why in the last few months would an asset lose 75% of its supposed value? Derby should be made to demonstrate a valid reason for the depreciation, given they went to such lengths to argue it was worth £81m to bolster their FFP/ P&S position when all knew that was cock and bull. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted June 27, 2022 Report Share Posted June 27, 2022 32 minutes ago, BTRFTG said: Exactly, but why in the last few months would an asset lose 75% of its supposed value? Derby should be made to demonstrate a valid reason for the depreciation, given they went to such lengths to argue it was worth £81m to bolster their FFP/ P&S position when all knew that was cock and bull. Especially since DCFC didn't receive a penny of the £81m. Though the EFL did object but an independent commission found in Derby's favour so it's hard to see what else the EFL could do now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted June 27, 2022 Report Share Posted June 27, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, BTRFTG said: Exactly, but why in the last few months would an asset lose 75% of its supposed value? Derby should be made to demonstrate a valid reason for the depreciation, given they went to such lengths to argue it was worth £81m to bolster their FFP/ P&S position when all knew that was cock and bull. Seems to include some kind of debt write off of £59m for the balance? Not looked properly for a while but Kieran Maguire suggested it. On the plus side Couhig hasn't gone away- good. Think he's a bit kind to the Derby fans tbh- of them, although easy to say, if he read DCFCFans he might form a different view about a good chunk. On a serious note, I don't see too much wrong in what he said here? Edited June 27, 2022 by Mr Popodopolous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTRFTG Posted June 27, 2022 Report Share Posted June 27, 2022 1 hour ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Seems to include some kind of debt write off of £59m for the balance? Not looked properly for a while but Kieran Maguire suggested it. On the plus side Couhig hasn't gone away- good. Think he's a bit kind to the Derby fans tbh- of them, although easy to say, if he read DCFCFans he might form a different view about a good chunk. On a serious note, I don't see too much wrong in what he said here? Just an accounting write off for Morris. In truth it's no write off at all. Think of something you've bought. Tell the world it's now worth 10 times as much. Sell it for purchase price. Huge write down your side but your actual loss? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrs Court Red Posted June 27, 2022 Report Share Posted June 27, 2022 9 minutes ago, BTRFTG said: Just an accounting write off for Morris. In truth it's no write off at all. Think of something you've bought. Tell the world it's now worth 10 times as much. Sell it for purchase price. Huge write down your side but your actual loss? It’s an accounting trick the wealthy use with art. Buy it, have it “valued” at a much higher price and then donate it somewhere. The tax write off is higher than the original purchase price. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted June 27, 2022 Report Share Posted June 27, 2022 (edited) https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2022/06/27/exclusive-wayne-rooneys-agent-investigated-secretly-paying-derby/?utm_content=football&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1656362705 Stretford paid the wages! Edited June 27, 2022 by Davefevs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted June 27, 2022 Report Share Posted June 27, 2022 25 minutes ago, Davefevs said: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2022/06/27/exclusive-wayne-rooneys-agent-investigated-secretly-paying-derby/?utm_content=football&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1656362705 Stretford paid the wages! Well well so he is the man Kieran Maguire was talking about as being involved in football and close to the club when people were asking who paid the wages. And now he can't get the money back from Kirchner it seems. A man with a chequered past plus a bit of a shyster in Kirchner. Rooney needs to choose his friends more carefully. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted June 27, 2022 Report Share Posted June 27, 2022 37 minutes ago, chinapig said: Well well so he is the man Kieran Maguire was talking about as being involved in football and close to the club when people were asking who paid the wages. And now he can't get the money back from Kirchner it seems. A man with a chequered past plus a bit of a shyster in Kirchner. Rooney needs to choose his friends more carefully. …guess that is why loyal-Wayne left WRDC then! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hxj Posted June 27, 2022 Report Share Posted June 27, 2022 The debtor for the Stadium in the Football Club accounts does not appear in the Administrator's paperwork. It must therefore have been paid off before Administration, more than likely by cash circulating from Morris to the Stadium Group to the Football Club, and back up through the ownership chain to Morris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILINFRANCE Posted June 28, 2022 Report Share Posted June 28, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, Davefevs said: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2022/06/27/exclusive-wayne-rooneys-agent-investigated-secretly-paying-derby/?utm_content=football&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1656362705 Stretford paid the wages! 3 hours ago, chinapig said: Well well so he is the man Kieran Maguire was talking about as being involved in football and close to the club when people were asking who paid the wages. And now he can't get the money back from Kirchner it seems. A man with a chequered past plus a bit of a shyster in Kirchner. Rooney needs to choose his friends more carefully. From the Derby forum . Typical, isn't it? All these agents sapping the game dry, and the one time an agent puts money into a club he gets punished for it. I wonder if Quantuma were aware of this breach of the Agents' Code of Practice. Edited June 28, 2022 by PHILINFRANCE 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted June 28, 2022 Report Share Posted June 28, 2022 (edited) 7 hours ago, PHILINFRANCE said: From the Derby forum . Typical, isn't it? All these agents sapping the game dry, and the one time an agent puts money into a club he gets punished for it. I wonder if Quantuma were aware of this breach of the Agents' Code of Practice. Well, Derby fans have a history of being happy to have rule breakers associated with their club after all. These are the people who worshipped Morris (ha ha, EFL on strings style) and thought Kirchner, a transparently iffy character, was their saviour. Plus there was talk of Stretford being on the Board. No conflict of interest there then. I assume Quantuma were just desperate for the money so didn't think twice. Edited June 28, 2022 by chinapig 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NcnsBcfc Posted June 28, 2022 Report Share Posted June 28, 2022 Wayne Rooney's agent Paul Stretford agent settles with 16 players over ‘secret payments’ | Daily Mail Online I know it's desperate times for Derby, but reading his wikipedia page, is this really the man you want involved in your club? Paul Stretford - Wikipedia 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted June 28, 2022 Report Share Posted June 28, 2022 3 minutes ago, NcnsBcfc said: Wayne Rooney's agent Paul Stretford agent settles with 16 players over ‘secret payments’ | Daily Mail Online I know it's desperate times for Derby, but reading his wikipedia page, is this really the man you want involved in your club? Paul Stretford - Wikipedia And... https://www.theguardian.com/football/2008/dec/29/paul-stretford-wayne-rooney-football-association Would have fitted right in at Derby then. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted June 28, 2022 Report Share Posted June 28, 2022 10 hours ago, Davefevs said: …guess that is why loyal-Wayne left WRDC then! Loyal as in loyal to Stretford. Who'd have guessed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NcnsBcfc Posted June 28, 2022 Report Share Posted June 28, 2022 Just now, chinapig said: Loyal as in loyal to Stretford. Who'd have guessed? Isn't it the case though, that an Agent can't act for the player , and the club? A bit of a conflict of interest. Plus an agent paying the wages of players that he doesn't represent? That's a minefield of probable rule breaking. No wonder the EFL are looking into it all. Derby just can't bring themselves to do the right thing at anytime can they? Their reputation as a club is in tatters now with the authorities. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted June 28, 2022 Report Share Posted June 28, 2022 4 minutes ago, NcnsBcfc said: Isn't it the case though, that an Agent can't act for the player , and the club? A bit of a conflict of interest. Plus an agent paying the wages of players that he doesn't represent? That's a minefield of probable rule breaking. No wonder the EFL are looking into it all. Derby just can't bring themselves to do the right thing at anytime can they? Their reputation as a club is in tatters now with the authorities. Actually it is allowed I think though it shouldn't be imo. An agent on a club's Board is another level though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted June 28, 2022 Report Share Posted June 28, 2022 1 hour ago, NcnsBcfc said: Isn't it the case though, that an Agent can't act for the player , and the club? A bit of a conflict of interest. Plus an agent paying the wages of players that he doesn't represent? That's a minefield of probable rule breaking. No wonder the EFL are looking into it all. Derby just can't bring themselves to do the right thing at anytime can they? Their reputation as a club is in tatters now with the authorities. Yep, happens all the time…whether it should be is another matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted June 28, 2022 Report Share Posted June 28, 2022 Hang on, has Derby County Football Club Ltd come out of administration? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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