chinapig Posted May 28, 2022 Report Share Posted May 28, 2022 Deal to be finalised on Tuesday it seems: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/61605694 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted May 28, 2022 Report Share Posted May 28, 2022 I am amazed at how many Derby supporters have become finance/football finance experts this week. There was me thinking it was all The EFL, Gibsons and Couhig’s fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted May 28, 2022 Report Share Posted May 28, 2022 51 minutes ago, REDOXO said: I am amazed at how many Derby supporters have become finance/football finance experts this week. There was me thinking it was all The EFL, Gibsons and Couhig’s fault. With every action orchestrated by @Mr Popodopolousfrom his secret lair inside a hollowed out mountain. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted May 28, 2022 Report Share Posted May 28, 2022 23 minutes ago, Lanterne Rouge said: With every action orchestrated by @Mr Popodopolousfrom his secret lair inside a hollowed out mountain. I know fiendish bugger isn’t he! He even looks like Ernst Blofeld! (Let’s see how long that takes to be paraphrased on a certain forum) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted May 28, 2022 Report Share Posted May 28, 2022 (edited) error Edited May 28, 2022 by downendcity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted May 28, 2022 Report Share Posted May 28, 2022 13 minutes ago, REDOXO said: I know fiendish bugger isn’t he! He even looks like Ernst Blofeld! (Let’s see how long that takes to be paraphrased on a certain forum) The makers of James Bond once considered a villain who was a combination of Blofeld and Oddjob. They were going to call him Oddfeld............................ 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted May 28, 2022 Report Share Posted May 28, 2022 15 minutes ago, REDOXO said: I know fiendish bugger isn’t he! He even looks like Ernst Blofeld! (Let’s see how long that takes to be paraphrased on a certain forum) I tried ( unsuccessfully) to upload video clip of Derby's Ninja fans attacking Mr Blofeldopolous's volcano base! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted May 28, 2022 Report Share Posted May 28, 2022 48 minutes ago, Lanterne Rouge said: With every action orchestrated by @Mr Popodopolousfrom his secret lair inside a hollowed out mountain. I'm not sure Dundry can be called a mountain. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted May 28, 2022 Report Share Posted May 28, 2022 13 minutes ago, chinapig said: I'm not sure Dundry can be called a mountain. I live in Lincolnshire Fenland and relative to the local landscape here Dundry is Himalayan! 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted May 28, 2022 Report Share Posted May 28, 2022 (edited) My slightly ranty digs aside last night, a few bits I don't understand- on their forum. The prior insistence over there that it was the CLUB accounts in isolation that appeared to be the standard for P&S/FFP. Except of course from 2016/`17 onwards it was a) the consolidated or at least consolidation of the club, plus Club DCFC, Stadia DCFC and DCFC Academy that formed the basis. Strangely, there was a bit of a doubling down on it last year when ordered to restate- running with Kieran Maguire's £30m in extra losses, although he added them to the club rather than Sevco 5112 estimates for FFP losses which was an error on his part. It's patently obvious that for FFP/P&S you have to consolidate all component parts as a starting point and then subtract what is required thereafter. The lack of critique/discussion about their auditors. Granted they maybe wary of the risks of libel, defamation etc but their signing off was surely somewhat discredited by subsequent events. Not illegal but non compliant under FRS 102 all the same. Were Derby lead up the garden path by dint of their approval- or did Mel Morris (somehow) lead Mr. Delve and the other Mr. Delve up it? Yes I took the proverbial a bit with my Rick Parry comments but he has brought a sense of order to the FFP situation in the Championship, and he has been high up in 3 major Governing bodies in a football context- UEFA, the Premier League and the Football League. Plus his time at Liverpool? Would also be good in the discussion between Kieran Maguire and them if someone mentioned a) The fact that the amortisation would rack up in the end and as a result a potential crunch might arise at some point and b) The allegation made by the Football League that Derby sought to exclude a chunk of amortisation costs via the Gellaw Newco 203 impairment on acquisition...there was a whole separate case about it in the 2020/21 season. https://www.efl.com/contentassets/873a8914e09740d3b3a8848131ea10b8/efl-v-derby-county---decision-on-new-evidence.pdf Posted before, but proof as if it were needed, as to what a devious and cynical bunch Derby's hierarchy have been. Edited May 28, 2022 by Mr Popodopolous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Geoff Posted May 28, 2022 Report Share Posted May 28, 2022 4 hours ago, chinapig said: Deal to be finalised on Tuesday it seems: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/61605694 Still imminent then ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted May 28, 2022 Report Share Posted May 28, 2022 I actually think it will go through personally. Time will tell though. On the lighter side, most of these are Derby fans- a keyword search makes their take look quite silly in hindsight. https://twitter.com/search?q="efl on strings" until%3A2021-05-13 since%3A2019-08-06&src=typed_query&f=live Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted May 28, 2022 Report Share Posted May 28, 2022 (edited) 13 hours ago, Barrieowl said: Be interested in seeing what transfer restrictions they have to adhere to. We couldn't pay transfer fees or wages above a level cos of the prior rule breaks but surely Derby will be under even more stringent parameters given the administration aspects Good post and welcome. That's a good point, the administration aspect and FFP combined is quite a unique situation and one that deserves a tailor made solution. My personal preference is something like... Quote No transfer fees for 2-3 years. No loan fees or highly limited loan fees for that too. Similar with signing on fees. Remuneration not exceeding £6k per week for a new signing- and the signing on fee if applicable would be included in this. Same for new contracts of existing players who are set to expire. Agents fees only a %- think Reading was 3% or 5%- of the wage cap. Sure there was something else as well but this would give Derby something to work with but also uphold things and reflect the seriousness of their failings while upholding the interests of the League as a whole. Edited May 28, 2022 by Mr Popodopolous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrieowl Posted May 28, 2022 Report Share Posted May 28, 2022 42 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Good post and welcome. That's a good point, the administration aspect and FFP combined is quite a unique situation and one that deserves a tailor made solution. My personal preference is something like... Sure there was something else as well but this would give Derby something to work with but also uphold things and reflect the seriousness of their failings while upholding the interests of the League as a whole. We paid 300k loan and wages for BPF, waste of coin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted May 28, 2022 Report Share Posted May 28, 2022 Nixon was reporting no 15 point deduction yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted May 28, 2022 Report Share Posted May 28, 2022 7 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Nixon was reporting no 15 point deduction yesterday. Maguire said the same a couple of weeks ago. Which is fine if they have met the conditions. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted May 28, 2022 Report Share Posted May 28, 2022 5 minutes ago, chinapig said: Maguire said the same a couple of weeks ago. Which is fine if they have met the conditions. Yep, and as Mr P says, they might still be under severe embargo. WR was very bullish that all the squad wanted to stay….the transfer rumours suggest otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slartibartfast Posted May 28, 2022 Report Share Posted May 28, 2022 3 hours ago, Barrieowl said: We paid 300k loan and wages for BPF, waste of coin ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted May 28, 2022 Report Share Posted May 28, 2022 11 minutes ago, slartibartfast said: ? Bailey Peacock-Farrell 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrieowl Posted May 28, 2022 Report Share Posted May 28, 2022 1 hour ago, slartibartfast said: ? Peacock-Farrell 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted May 29, 2022 Report Share Posted May 29, 2022 (edited) I slammed Derby to an extent as a club and fanbase, largely extrapolating from their main forum- only fair to post more balanced views too. Just reading some of the stuff on that forum in general about FFP, EFL conspiracies though... Edited May 29, 2022 by Mr Popodopolous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted May 30, 2022 Report Share Posted May 30, 2022 Good summary article here: https://derbynews.org.uk/2022/05/29/derby-county-deal-whos-funding-it-and-who-will-control-the-club/ 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted May 30, 2022 Report Share Posted May 30, 2022 14 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Good summary article here: https://derbynews.org.uk/2022/05/29/derby-county-deal-whos-funding-it-and-who-will-control-the-club/ Thanks Dave. Even if the deal goes through tomorrow there is an awful lot here that should worry Derby fans as to how much money Kirchner actually has and in particular the power MSD has over the club. The latter is a bit like Chelsea where the majority shareholder is Clearlake Capital not Ted Boehly - who has the real power there? I can see more trouble coming down the track post takeover. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted May 30, 2022 Report Share Posted May 30, 2022 There is a slight part of the regulations I don't quite get. Perhaps it's easily explainable? When under embargo, new signings and contract renewals are not necessarily permissible- especially under the administration embargo. What about existing options being taken up though? Reported within the last week that both Byrne and Buchanan have had extra year options activated- due to expire this summer but now 2023 it is. There seems to be nothing in the Embargo Service FAQs that covers this specific aspect- and unsure the EFL regs shed much light either but will look again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted May 30, 2022 Report Share Posted May 30, 2022 8 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: There is a slight part of the regulations I don't quite get. Perhaps it's easily explainable? When under embargo, new signings and contract renewals are not necessarily permissible- especially under the administration embargo. What about existing options being taken up though? Reported within the last week that both Byrne and Buchanan have had extra year options activated- due to expire this summer but now 2023 it is. There seems to be nothing in the Embargo Service FAQs that covers this specific aspect- and unsure the EFL regs shed much light either but will look again. They must be within permitted wage limits. That’s the only reason I can give. Although I doubt any deals will be done until the sale has gone through. Both will be free to talk to other clubs on a Wednesday without needing permission from Derby. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted May 30, 2022 Report Share Posted May 30, 2022 Haven't been following this of late. Is the deal done, has the stadium purchase been agreed and can Derby fans relax over the summer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted May 30, 2022 Report Share Posted May 30, 2022 59 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said: Haven't been following this of late. Is the deal done, has the stadium purchase been agreed and can Derby fans relax over the summer? Imminent 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted May 30, 2022 Report Share Posted May 30, 2022 1 hour ago, Bristol Rob said: Haven't been following this of late. Is the deal done, has the stadium purchase been agreed and can Derby fans relax over the summer? Due to be finalised tomorrow according to Kirchner. Posted this a couple of days ago. Haven't seen any details about the stadium, creditors and so on though. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/61605694 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted May 30, 2022 Report Share Posted May 30, 2022 1 hour ago, Davefevs said: Imminent Must be Derby's word of 2022......or will it be their word of 2023...... or perhaps 2024.............................. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted May 30, 2022 Report Share Posted May 30, 2022 (edited) Apparently it is possible it will be delayed until June 1st... On Twitter somewhere- link seems not to work, Elias Burke. Edited May 30, 2022 by Mr Popodopolous 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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