Fordy62 Posted May 30, 2021 Report Share Posted May 30, 2021 He probably is quite good. But he’s led a charmed life in club management. Id like to see what he could do with Everton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pearcy Posted May 30, 2021 Report Share Posted May 30, 2021 11 hours ago, joe jordans teeth said: It’s easy to win leagues when you have a ridiculous squad,winning cups is different and comes down to tactical nous,he doesn’t seem to have it,I think myself or even lJ would of won it with Barcelona with messi and that team(alright I’m stretching it a bit with lJ) He's won 14 out of 16 Cup finals his teams have played in, which suggests he does have the tactical nous you say he doesn't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerly known as ivan Posted May 30, 2021 Report Share Posted May 30, 2021 Yes Pep is that good! Granted he has always had his pick of the best but the way in which he gets them to play is on another level! Last night he got it wrong, which doesn’t happen often but it just so happened it was on the biggest stage. Sterling has been out of form for about a season now and shouldn’t have started. Cancelo is the best full back they have yet didn’t start. Rodri probably should have started as should a recognised striker. Easy to say all that in hindsight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted May 30, 2021 Report Share Posted May 30, 2021 51 minutes ago, Fordy62 said: He probably is quite good. But he’s led a charmed life in club management. Id like to see what he could do with Everton. Yes its charmed by his talent. He gained promotion with Barcelona B from the third to the first. He then created a team that is the most successful in club football history. And it was created as Guardiola installed a high performance culture methodology that is now being used world wide affecting FA's, clubs down to grass roots level teams. Mr Guardiola has improved Man City into without doubt to being one of the strongest teams in world football.. Everton in a hypothetical world he would install principles of play, the keystones of performance culture throughout the club and possibly win a cup trophy - Guardiola big plan and big vision x playing models are relative to the clubs potential. Bayern Munich has its own culture but Mr Guardiola leaves a legacy at clubs. His coaching methods will be present at Man City long after he has gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT The Optimist Posted May 30, 2021 Report Share Posted May 30, 2021 1 hour ago, City oz said: Johnson who ? which one Gary wanna be a club manager or his love child that played mid field that then became a manager and hood winked everyone. Well. He talked the talk. He’s still coming out with it now stuff like ‘pitch personality ‘ and 11 league one humans v 11 league one humans He has not endeared himself to those northern folk that’s for sure… but going back on topic it is a good question to ask.. would any of these profile managers like Pep to be able a create a winning team from bog standard group of lower league players more so than a Warnock or McCarthy or any other lower league manager… I am not so sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted May 30, 2021 Report Share Posted May 30, 2021 25 minutes ago, DT The Optimist said: Well. He talked the talk. He’s still coming out with it now stuff like ‘pitch personality ‘ and 11 league one humans v 11 league one humans He has not endeared himself to those northern folk that’s for sure… but going back on topic it is a good question to ask.. would any of these profile managers like Pep to be able a create a winning team from bog standard group of lower league players more so than a Warnock or McCarthy or any other lower league manager… I am not so sure The elite are elite because of their ability. Warnock and McCarthy are where they are because of their ability. Coaching is a meritocracy. The answer would be yes but winning and success have to be realistically defined. The big picture of Guardiola at Barcelona cannot be the same at another club far lower down league pyramids. However the principles of coaching and play can be applied at all levels. Success can be winning a few more but playing possession football backed by development and recruitment strategy that makes that winning more and its models of play more likely, and attainable for a longer term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grifty Posted May 30, 2021 Report Share Posted May 30, 2021 2 hours ago, Peter1450 said: Obviously technically on a different level, I’m just not sure why anyone would call the blatant cheating at this level enjoyable. As for the hoofing it forwards, isn’t that what Man City did towards the end when they finally realised they weren’t going to break down Chelsea with the technical tippy tappy out from the keeper game. There's blatant cheating at all levels. Don't pretend that doesn't happen. So yes is the answer, you just want to see big long balls to a big man up front. There's nothing wrong with that, but just shows you don't really understand the technical side of the game which is why you are focusing on diving, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrick's Marvels Posted May 30, 2021 Report Share Posted May 30, 2021 Unless the OP is being deliberately provocative, this thread is plain dumb. The City players lost that game not the manager. How was Guardiola to know nearly all his attacking players would perform below par - Gundogan, their key player this season, was ineffective; Silva and Mahrez invisible; Foden and De Bruyne little better. If that lot had controlled possession like they usually do the result might have been different. Instead they were all poor, Kante broke up play superbly (surprise), Chelsea defended excellently as a collective and City's sloppiness in possession allowed too many opportunities for dangerous counter attack, which Chelsea did very well. If Chelsea had a finisher, the game would have been over by half time. To me, not picking Fernandinho is baffling, doubly so the preference for Stones, who predictably played like a startled kitten, instead of Laporte. But the point still stands - the Man City players under performed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swanker Posted May 30, 2021 Report Share Posted May 30, 2021 12 hours ago, Kashmir said: I thought Chelsea were very good, first half was excellent football. Good on the break. They still parked the bus though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted May 30, 2021 Report Share Posted May 30, 2021 1 hour ago, Cowshed said: Yes its charmed by his talent. He gained promotion with Barcelona B from the third to the first. He then created a team that is the most successful in club football history. And it was created as Guardiola installed a high performance culture methodology that is now being used world wide affecting FA's, clubs down to grass roots level teams. Mr Guardiola has improved Man City into without doubt to being one of the strongest teams in world football.. Everton in a hypothetical world he would install principles of play, the keystones of performance culture throughout the club and possibly win a cup trophy - Guardiola big plan and big vision x playing models are relative to the clubs potential. Bayern Munich has its own culture but Mr Guardiola leaves a legacy at clubs. His coaching methods will be present at Man City long after he has gone. Top post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted May 30, 2021 Report Share Posted May 30, 2021 1 hour ago, Cowshed said: Yes its charmed by his talent. He gained promotion with Barcelona B from the third to the first. He then created a team that is the most successful in club football history. And it was created as Guardiola installed a high performance culture methodology that is now being used world wide affecting FA's, clubs down to grass roots level teams. Mr Guardiola has improved Man City into without doubt to being one of the strongest teams in world football.. Everton in a hypothetical world he would install principles of play, the keystones of performance culture throughout the club and possibly win a cup trophy - Guardiola big plan and big vision x playing models are relative to the clubs potential. Bayern Munich has its own culture but Mr Guardiola leaves a legacy at clubs. His coaching methods will be present at Man City long after he has gone. I think he’s like a modern day Wenger... but with 10x the resources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted May 30, 2021 Report Share Posted May 30, 2021 18 minutes ago, Merrick's Marvels said: Unless the OP is being deliberately provocative, this thread is plain dumb. The City players lost that game not the manager. How was Guardiola to know nearly all his attacking players would perform below par - Gundogan, their key player this season, was ineffective; Silva and Mahrez invisible; Foden and De Bruyne little better. If that lot had controlled possession like they usually do the result might have been different. Instead they were all poor, Kante broke up play superbly (surprise), Chelsea defended excellently as a collective and City's sloppiness in possession allowed too many opportunities for dangerous counter attack, which Chelsea did very well. If Chelsea had a finisher, the game would have been over by half time. To me, not picking Fernandinho is baffling, doubly so the preference for Stones, who predictably played like a startled kitten, instead of Laporte. But the point still stands - the Man City players under performed. Agree with most but to pick a team that has never played together before in such a big game was bizarre .Those 2 wins by Chelsea this season against them was massive and ultimately cost them the cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted May 30, 2021 Report Share Posted May 30, 2021 12 minutes ago, Fordy62 said: I think he’s like a modern day Wenger... but with 10x the resources. Barca B did not have x10 the resources. His success there persuaded one of the biggest clubs in the world to make a internal promotion, but with respect you have missed the coaching point. A prediction I made years ago in a post was that Guardiola coming to the UK was would alter football here. His influence has altered the way football is played in the UK because Mr Guardiolas methods do apply at all levels regardless of resources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyTonyTony Posted May 30, 2021 Report Share Posted May 30, 2021 No doubt he is a world class manager but not to Fernandinho in a holding role was a massive massive mistake. He will be having nightmares about that for a while Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maltshoveller Posted May 30, 2021 Report Share Posted May 30, 2021 God so otib Win and he is best ever Lose and he is no better than Lj I'm just gutted that the worlds most classless club has just won the Champions and other top 4 teams league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrick's Marvels Posted May 30, 2021 Report Share Posted May 30, 2021 56 minutes ago, Super said: Agree with most but to pick a team that has never played together before in such a big game was bizarre .Those 2 wins by Chelsea this season against them was massive and ultimately cost them the cup. Should still have been good enough, imo. I commented at the coin toss that De Bruyne looked anything but relaxed. City's play in general lacked composure. Imo they didn't handle the pressure, forgot to play the game not the occasion. Both Thiago Silva and De Bruyne went off injured, only one of them burst into tears - a sure sign you're not right mentally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrick's Marvels Posted May 30, 2021 Report Share Posted May 30, 2021 1 hour ago, swanker said: Good on the break. They still parked the bus though! Think that's harsh on Chelsea's tactical discipline- everyone's going to have less of the ball against Man C and be forced into defending a lot whether they want to or not. I wouldn't describe Tuchel as another Mourinho. You might as well say we parked the bus against them. Which we didn't, we were incredibly brave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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