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14 minutes ago, NorthBris_Southstand said:

🤣 like booing people taking the knee you mean?

Your post could be an improvement on the labelling of people who boo the taking of the knee, those who disagree with the contentious kneeling but don't support booing, and those who feel moderation and dialogue is superior as racists, fascists, nazis and the far right. 

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5 minutes ago, Cowshed said:

Your post could be an improvement on the labelling of people who boo the taking of the knee, those who disagree with the contentious kneeling but don't support booing, and those who feel moderation and dialogue is superior as racists, fascists, nazis and the far right. 

 

26 minutes ago, Cowshed said:

Spudski in his post was suggesting moderation,

You don't like people being labelled as Nazis. But you also thought Spudski was suggesting moderation. Even though he compared taking the knee to a Nazi salute? 

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21 hours ago, pillred said:

It was posted last night as them being the first premier league club to refuse to take the knee that is why I asked the question do you think they will be alone in doing so? that was all and very few topics on here are ever truly original that's all I was saying the fact the "knee" topic is tucked away on the bottom of page 2 means me and a fair few others probably missed it.

'Refuse? They're not refusing to take the knee. They're deciding not to. Because they have a choice, which is fine. 

21 hours ago, pillred said:

Yes I wouldn't be surprised either, it sometimes just takes one team brave enough to say no more for others to follow.

Brave? They can do what they want. I doubt they will get booed like the people who do take the knee.

15 hours ago, spudski said:

' Taking the Knee'...

Seriously. Do people just sit there watching the mainstream media and let it wash over them like this is normal.

Has a come to a point where no one thinks for themselves anymore, and literally absorb like a sponge everything they are fed by the media...and then react accordingly.

Take away media, TV, forums, internet...all forms of technology and news outside of your actual daily lives...would anyone actually be aware or so opinionated?

Is anyone in a daily battle of feeling so down and life can't go on that it matters? In your actual daily life?

Is anyone so down and feeling anxious and worried...more so than the kids that flung themselves out of landing craft to be slaughtered for our freedom, all for this shit now.

To a point where media and a minority with a big voice have absolutely fecked up kids heads as to what is right and wrong.

Where kids will take down the Queen's portrait because of colonism. A fecked up cancel culture woke state that won't stop.

Unfortunately people and older with experience are giving in to it 

They'll be the first to moan when it goes truly Pete tong.

Taking the fricking knee...like that's become a sentence that's become normal in society. Wtf... seriously get a grip.

Any racism is wrong. 

We don't need footballers taking the knee because some wokes told them to.

Reminds me of 1937 when the England team played Germany and gave the salute to the Nazis because they were told to do it by the ' authorities' so as not to stir.

That went down well 🙄

 

Nobody is telling you to do anything. People are free to choose. And they do. And they sometimes get booed for it.

What is dangerous is this myth that you're spreading that people are being forced to do something they don't want to. There's no evidence of that. Two things have been overtly criticised by the woke mainstream media 1. The constant racist abuse that minorities in football are suffering, especially online, and 2. The booing of a peaceful gesture of solidarity that players are choosing to take. 

What were the repercussions when Kalas chose not to take the knee? None. He wasn't booed. He wasn't vilified by the woke mainstream media. He just carried on as usual, rightly so.

 

Edit: I said Kalas wasn't booed- there weren't any fans anyway, but the point stands. He was fine.

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18 minutes ago, Cowshed said:

No its not an inaccurate view of what are the threads. What I posted was also factual. Posters are abused with regularity.

There is a consistent theme of name calling and insulting. That is a theme of communication. Insulting as a means of communication is a form of exerting authority, a power play, a means of delegitimising the views of others, it displays elitism because the abuser has assumed the position of being the arbiter of what is right and wrong. That is intolerant. 

Spudski in his post was suggesting moderation, finding middle ground etc. A very different thing to the above.  

I have not misgendered anybody. I do not know your sex. The rest of your post followed the same disingenuous theme.

Quite agree.   I was called a ‘melt’ by one of your crew the other day when I dare to challenge them. And a very quick look on this very thread throws up the following.  

‘Game over sweetheart’.

‘Can't be arsed debating with such a self righteous tool’

‘Control freaks’

‘head is so far up your own arse with importance’

‘You 'love' are a complete tool and fraud’

‘idiot banging a political drum’

‘makes you look like a complete tosser’ 
 

Wonder which ‘side’ was doing the name calling?! (Clue - it wasn’t those defending the right to take the knee). 

 

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2 minutes ago, lenred said:

Quite agree.   I was called a ‘melt’ by one of your crew the other day when I dare to challenge them. 

 

 

Whose crew? 

I have asked you who you were referring to when you stated the same old posters were supporting racist attitudes.

Its taken you a week not to answer. 

 

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1 minute ago, Cowshed said:

Whose crew? 

I have asked you who you were referring to when you stated the same old posters were supporting racist attitudes.

Its taken you a week not to answer. 

 

Not answering the point then? Figures.  

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2 minutes ago, Cowshed said:

Whose crew? 

I have asked you who you were referring to when you stated the same old posters were supporting racist attitudes.

Its taken you a week not to answer. 

 

did you? Where was that then. Please quote. 

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Just now, lenred said:

Not answering the point then? Figures.  

I cant answer a post if I am not part of the crew? Which crew? The one supporting racist attitudes? Which crew is this?  Who are these posters?  Evidently I support ethnic nationalism. Nobody will explain why? Is that one of your crew who put it out there? 

 

 

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1 minute ago, Cowshed said:

I cant answer a post if I am not part of the crew? Which crew? The one supporting racist attitudes? Which crew is this?  Who are these posters?  Evidently I support ethnic nationalism. Nobody will explain why? Is that one of your crew who put it out there? 

 

 

Deflection yet again. Tying up arguments yet again.  Figures. Answer the points or don’t bother.    

  

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8 minutes ago, lenred said:

did you? Where was that then. Please quote. 

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3 minutes ago, lenred said:

Deflection yet again. Tying up arguments yet again.  Figures. Answer the points or don’t bother.    

  

No its not deflection. In the very first line of your post you stated "your crew". To answer your post I have to ask what crew I am part of.  One supporting racism? One that is far right? Or one that is something else? 

 

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9 minutes ago, Cowshed said:

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No its not deflection. In the very first line of your post you stated "your crew". To answer your post I have to ask what crew I am part of.  One supporting racism? One that is far right? Or one that is something else? 

 

I asked you to reference where you asked me who I was referring to.  (Clue. You didn’t.). Again you are just deflecting.  
 

Why don’t you try answering my post about the name calling you were so forthright about?  

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2 minutes ago, 2015 said:

Hungarians are all racists then judging by their booing against Ireland on Tuesday night 😂

It's a big problem in Hungary, yes.

Hungary's slow descent into xenophobia, racism and human rights abuses - InfoMigrants is a good read on the issue. Light on the 'crying laughing emojis' though, you'll just have to try and look past that.

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16 hours ago, spudski said:

' Taking the Knee'...

Seriously. Do people just sit there watching the mainstream media and let it wash over them like this is normal.

Has a come to a point where no one thinks for themselves anymore, and literally absorb like a sponge everything they are fed by the media...and then react accordingly.

Take away media, TV, forums, internet...all forms of technology and news outside of your actual daily lives...would anyone actually be aware or so opinionated?

Is anyone in a daily battle of feeling so down and life can't go on that it matters? In your actual daily life?

Is anyone so down and feeling anxious and worried...more so than the kids that flung themselves out of landing craft to be slaughtered for our freedom, all for this shit now.

To a point where media and a minority with a big voice have absolutely fecked up kids heads as to what is right and wrong.

Where kids will take down the Queen's portrait because of colonism. A fecked up cancel culture woke state that won't stop.

Unfortunately people and older with experience are giving in to it 

They'll be the first to moan when it goes truly Pete tong.

Taking the fricking knee...like that's become a sentence that's become normal in society. Wtf... seriously get a grip.

Any racism is wrong. 

We don't need footballers taking the knee because some wokes told them to.

Reminds me of 1937 when the England team played Germany and gave the salute to the Nazis because they were told to do it by the ' authorities' so as not to stir.

That went down well 🙄

 

The bit in bold is where I am really getting fed up of the morality police in this country getting permanently outraged and telling everyone what to think all the time.

I have, unsurprisingly, never been into an Oxford University common room but it strikes me as eminently sensible that the students can have the art they want, and not have the art that they do not want. They live in a free country so of course they can. If they don't want a portrait of the Queen, they can not have a portrait of the Queen. To any sensible person, the response to that is "so what? The artwork in a room I'm never going to go in has no impact on me whatsoever".

Unfortunately the morality police who like to tell everyone what to think appear not to be sensible and appear to feel it is their right to whine and get outraged about a piece of artwork being removed from a room they are not going to go in. Yet again, the permanently offended - who get offended by people dancing on talent shows, songs not being sung  at the Proms or footballers kneeling down - find another reason to get offended and impose their morality on everyone else.

I seriously wonder how anyone who gets upset when a painting of the Queen gets removed from a room they are not going to go in has the robustness to cope with the challenges of daily life. I also wonder if they're going to start to tell me what art I am and am not allowed in my lounge too. They certainly don't support freedom of choice.

Perhaps you are right that we don't need footballers to take the knee. But we also don't need them to not take the knee just because some people who get unfathomably upset and outraged about everything get unfathomably upset and outraged about a footballers have a knee on the grass.

I am sick of the self-appointed morality police thinking they can dictate what everyone else does all the time. If someone wants to take down a portrait of the Queen from a private space, they can take down that portrait. If a footballer wants to take the knee, they can take the knee. In both cases - whether I agree or disagree - it is utterly irrelevant as it has no impact on my life. People need to stop whining, stop getting offended and stop trying to dictate how everyone else lives their life. 

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26 minutes ago, lenred said:

I asked you to reference where you asked me who I was referring to.  (Clue. You didn’t.). Again you are just deflecting.  
 

 

There is no deflection. I am answering your words. Your allegations. Your assertions. Yes I have asked you who you were referring to when you stated people were supporting racism. I am again asking similar. Who are the posters supporting racism? Whose crew am I supposed be part of? A hooligan crew? A racist crew? Rowers? Scaffolders? What?

 

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3 minutes ago, BS2 Red said:

Who has said that everyone who boos is a racist?

Stop making things up.

I noticed that you liked an article with the headline... 'Booing the knee? This is the moment to take back football from the racists' 🤔

https://medium.com/mosquito-ridge/booing-the-knee-this-is-the-moment-to-take-back-football-from-the-racists-8b5cb5cb281a

 

And to quote the article...

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The glory of it is that with every pint you drink, and every cheer you give to Southgate and his team, you are pissing off Tories, boneheads, tabloid journalists and fascists for free.

So now you see why the narrative that this is nothing political isn't gaining much traction? At least the person writing the article was being honest about the underlying reasons for the supporting of footballers taking the knee.

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2 minutes ago, Baba Yaga said:

I noticed that you liked an article with the headline... 'Booing the knee? This is the moment to take back football from the racists' 🤔

https://medium.com/mosquito-ridge/booing-the-knee-this-is-the-moment-to-take-back-football-from-the-racists-8b5cb5cb281a

 

And to quote the article...

So now you see why the narrative that this is nothing political isn't gaining much traction? At least the person writing the article was being honest about the underlying reasons for the supporting of footballers taking the knee.

Are we policing posts that people like now? You seriously bothered to check back things I had left a like on, just to make a bizarre point?

Still, the players, the manager, the FA and Kick it Out have all said the players are not doing it out of politics. But one article, not written by anybody involved with England, proves that wrong?

But if you want to play silly games like this, then logically (this is your logic, not mine btw) if taking the knee is political just because of perception or associations, then  it is perfectly acceptable to call all the people booing racist*. You can't have it both ways.

 

*for the hard of thinking out there, this isn't my argument, this is the logical conclusion of the "BLM Marxist" style argument.

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7 minutes ago, BS2 Red said:

Are we policing posts that people like now? You seriously bothered to check back things I had left a like on, just to make a bizarre point?

Still, the players, the manager, the FA and Kick it Out have all said the players are not doing it out of politics. But one article, not written by anybody involved with England, proves that wrong?

But if you want to play silly games like this, then logically (this is your logic, not mine btw) if taking the knee is political just because of perception or associations, then  it is perfectly acceptable to call all the people booing racist*. You can't have it both ways.

 

*for the hard of thinking out there, this isn't my argument, this is the logical conclusion of the "BLM Marxist" style argument.

It is pretty obvious you think anyone who boos is automatically a racist.

 

Anyway, good on Hungary

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34 minutes ago, Cowshed said:

There is no deflection. I am answering your words. Your allegations. Your assertions. Yes I have asked you who you were referring to when you stated people were supporting racism. I am again asking similar. Who are the posters supporting racism? Whose crew am I supposed be part of? A hooligan crew? A racist crew? Rowers? Scaffolders? What?

 

Re ‘your crew’ I am referring to the person who called me a ‘melt’ for challenging his negative views on anti racism stances and to which you merrily waded in (who’s funny I asked - ‘you’ you wrote’ back - completely out of the blue when I was debating someone else entirely)   There are many others defending that same position (anti anti racism gestures) as this and other threads show. You being one of them. Hence the term ‘crew’. Don’t get too hung up on it. Could have been ‘group’, ‘collective’, ‘side’ etc. It’s not important.  

What is more important than a term is your massive spiel about how poster abuse from our ‘crew, side, collective’ (those people that are defending the right to show solidarity to fellow humans who suffer needlessly from racism) is prevalent in the debate. You were then challenged with factual quotes to the contrary and again decided to deflect and ignore, with some lies thrown in about a fictional quote you apparently made for good measure.  

 

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5 minutes ago, lenred said:

Re ‘your crew’ I am referring to the person who called me a ‘melt’ for challenging his negative views on anti racism stances and to which you merrily waded in (who’s funny I asked - ‘you’ you wrote’ back - completely out of the blue when I was debating someone else entirely)   There are many others defending that same position (anti anti racism gestures) as this and other threads show. You being one of them. Hence the term ‘crew’. Don’t get too hung up on it. Could have been ‘group’, ‘collective’, ‘side’ etc. It’s not important.  

What is more important than a term is your massive spiel about how poster abuse from our ‘crew, side, collective’ (those people that are defending the right to show solidarity to fellow humans who suffer needlessly from racism). You were then challenged with factual quotes to the contrary and again decided to deflect and ignore, with some lies thrown in about a fictional quote you apparently made for good measure.  

 

What a melt

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1 hour ago, lenred said:

Quite agree.   I was called a ‘melt’ by one of your crew the other day when I dare to challenge them

 

That was me who called you a melt and you didn’t challenge me you wouldn’t answer my question which was

why do people boo the knee and not boo when players gather together and hold up a kick it out flag

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I can't understand why people get so annoyed about it to be honest. I literally don't care if players do it or not. 

It also just seems very controproductive to be booing players who you are meant to be supporting taking the knee.  

 

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2 minutes ago, Wiltshire robin said:

That was me who called you a melt and you didn’t challenge me you wouldn’t answer my question which was

why do people boo the knee and not boo when players gather together and hold up a kick it out flag

Did I not? Must’ve been dreaming this then……

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