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1 hour ago, Three Lions said:

RalphsMilnesLeftFoot is there any chance of you explaining whats in your posts and why posters on this site are racists, xenophobes, terfs (was that one??) nationalists (civic or national??), fascists and how the UK is heading towards far right nationalism??

Well, why would I seen as nowhere I've said that. I mean it's nice of you to try and bait and it's certainly, again, a very interesting world view. 

As seeing as you're speaking for me, perhaps you'd like to explain it for me as well. Your post seems to want to do. 

Glad we're at the make shit up, attribute it to someone else part of the discussion,fun times ahead with this I suspect. 

 

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1 hour ago, lenred said:

Raheem getting an MBE for his work in tackling racism in sport and Scotland about turning on taking the knee. That’s going to have pissed on a few posters cornflakes this morning that’s for sure! 

Scotland are only taking the knee against England 

If they thought it was that important they surely would do it every game

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40 minutes ago, Wiltshire robin said:

Scotland are only taking the knee against England 

If they thought it was that important they surely would do it every game

They have their own anti-racism gesture. They will take the knee as an act of solidarity with England due to the booing.

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Just got this email from the ESTC. Hopefully the message sticks:

 

An Important Message before Sunday

Our England senior men’s team will today begin their EURO 2020 campaign at our home, Wembley Stadium. 

Major tournaments don’t come around often and when they do, it’s an opportunity to unite friends, families and the country. This collective support is what spurs our team on during challenging moments and it gives them the best chance of succeeding. 

As the team has reiterated many times, they will collectively take the knee ahead of their fixtures during the tournament.

They are doing this as a mechanism of peacefully protesting against discrimination, injustice, and inequality. This is personally important to the players and the values the team collectively represents. 

This gesture of unity and fighting against inequality can be traced back as far as the 18th century. It is not new, and English football has made it very clear that it does not view this as being aligned to a political organisation or ideology. There can be no doubt as to why the players are taking the knee and what it represents in a footballing context.

We encourage those who oppose these values to reflect on the message you are sending to the players you are supporting.

Please respect their wishes and remember that we should all be united in the fight to tackle discrimination. Together.

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1 minute ago, lenred said:

This gesture of unity and fighting against inequality can be traced back as far as the 18th century.

Does anyone know what they are referring to here? 18th century? I'm honestly interested from a historical perspective.

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1 minute ago, ExiledAjax said:

Does anyone know what they are referring to here? 18th century? I'm honestly interested from a historical perspective.

Slavery was abolished in the 18th century. Inequality has been around since about 10,000 BC I should think.

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Just now, Jim Davey said:

and thats my fault for being white is it .

Literally not what white privilege means. It simply means you don't have to put up with all that on top of living your normal life. It's not a blame game, it is just acknowledging that having all those things against you makes life harder and its a privilege not to have to deal with that. 

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31 minutes ago, BCFC Richard said:

Literally not what white privilege means. It simply means you don't have to put up with all that on top of living your normal life. It's not a blame game, it is just acknowledging that having all those things against you makes life harder and its a privilege not to have to deal with that. 

Define normal life.

I've been wrongfully arrested, I've been stopped and searched, I didn't get a quality education and left school with no GCSE's C or above, I grew up up in a single parent home. White privilege must have had a day off when I was born.

I'm not asking for sympathy I just wish we would stop drawing these lines across ethnicity and draw them between the haves and the haves a lot so we have an equal opportunity of success based on the value you as an individual can return to the world. 

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11 minutes ago, Pezo said:

Define normal life.

I've been wrongfully arrested, I've been stopped and searched, I didn't get a quality education and left school with no GCSE's C or above, I grew up up in a single parent home. White privilege must have had a day off when I was born.

I'm not asking for sympathy I just wish we would stop drawing these lines across ethnicity and draw them between the haves and the haves a lot so we have an equal opportunity of success based on the value you as an individual can return to the world. 

Again, it's not a blame game, and it's not a case of no white person ever having a tough life and no one in BAME groups ever having a privileged start in life. It is simply a statistical fact that if you are white you are less likely to have to deal with the issue in my previous post, or at least deal with less of them. It doesn't mean you haven't worked hard or earned you position in life. It doesn't mean you haven't fought against adversity to get where you are. It is not an attack on you. It doesn't mean that the wider issue shouldn't be dealt with, but it would be ridiculous to ignore the inequality. 

If we put it into football terms - lets say of the 68 league goals we conceded last season over half of them were from headers. We would still want to deal with the issue of conceding so many goals, but we'd probably focus a lot of our resources and time on what biggest issue within that was. 

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56 minutes ago, Lrrr said:

I found a similar article about the same artifact here https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/18/raab-betrays-his-ignorance-of-the-origin-and-meaning-of-taking-a-knee

The quote below, from the article I found, suggests that this is a slightly strange and unnecessary additional argument for FA to run with? I don't think they need to justify the act any further by trying to give it historical legitimacy...when that seems like a tenuous, or perhaps at best tangential link?

"However, the image [of a kneeling black man] was a far cry from the defiant gesture today. The academic and novelist David Dabydeen described it as “docile and supplicatory (reflecting nothing of the frequent fierce rebellions by enslaved people in the New World plantations)”.

Neither the image of [Martin Luther] King nor the slave provided the inspiration for Kaepernick, however. It is often forgotten that his initial protest was to remain seated for the national anthem, mirroring a 1996 protest by the NBA basketball player Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf, who took the same action citing US tyranny."

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18 hours ago, Pezo said:

Define normal life.

I've been wrongfully arrested, I've been stopped and searched, I didn't get a quality education and left school with no GCSE's C or above, I grew up up in a single parent home. White privilege must have had a day off when I was born.

I'm not asking for sympathy I just wish we would stop drawing these lines across ethnicity and draw them between the haves and the haves a lot so we have an equal opportunity of success based on the value you as an individual can return to the world. 

Just to pick up on your sad story reminds me of a prevalence of white 'left behind' families particularly in the rust belt of the US. There has been a supporting pathway to bring ethnic minorities out of poverty through improved educational provision, re-training and re-housing; this has been underway for many years in the states. Things may have changed in the last few years for the poor largely white communities, not least by bringing manufacturing back which has been quite successful in some states. However, by and large the support is not there in the same proportion that it is for ethnic minorities.

This is why I abhor the largely politicised BLM movement to the detriment of the majority who are genuinely given no help at all. Help has to be calibrated, currently it is not although you would think its the ethnic minorities who get no help. 34 of the 37 organised riots in the US, and I said this before, took place in Federal Reserve towns and cities and all of them in a main or near main street. These were paid agent provocateurs gathering the local minority communities to riot and burn the businesses to the ground. The very businesses that were shuttered by a crippling lock down and then wiped out by fire, looting and destruction. A night of paid debauchery clearing the land for the wealthiest to come in and snap up those plots for 25 cents on the dollar. This is what has been happening in the US.

I thought Gareth got the tone just right in his pre-match interview today; Take the knee if you want and disagree with it if you want. We all want the same thing. Fairness... but nobody is getting it.

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19 minutes ago, MarcusX said:

What was the reason for booing the Croatian anthem then?

 

15 minutes ago, Maltshoveller said:

England fans boo every anthem Just a bunch of ignorant w##k##s

Was at the game today and whilst the booing for the knee-taking was clearly audible, I genuinely didn’t hear any significant booing of the Croatian anthem. But having read from other sources that it happened, I can only conclude it was a few idiots whose booing was picked up by the microphones. No excuses for them. 
 

As for booing ‘every anthem’, respectfully I’d have to disagree with that. Perhaps in the past, but it’s much less common nowadays (and didn’t happen for either of the two games in Middlesbrough, for example). Although I suspect it’ll happen again on Friday. 

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