The Bard Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 3 minutes ago, BCFCGav said: It's a tricky one, he could end up blocking off a very impressive generation. For me, he's too good not to use. He loves the Euros too, always plays out of his skin. Haven't seen them in qualifying, but they could use Fernandes at 10 with Jota and B. Silva on wings and CR7 as a 9. The player to suffer from this would be Joao Felix though, who himself could be quite some player in years to come, so it really is a balancing act. Any manager leaving out Ronaldo for Jao Felix needs his head examining. Felix is a perfect sub though. 5 subs are allowed at this tournament so these conundrums are less about leaving people out and more about how you use different players. It's more like grassroots football which below a certain level is rolling subs. Wonder how close we are to that? I manage a kids team and I like it. You have more leeway to react to events and if you're sensible can keep more players happy and part of the team. With the current environment for footballers I think this is massively important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elhombrecito Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 I'm still like a kid when it comes to Euros and World Cups. Will probably watch every game. Sod all this cynicism, I'm just going to enjoy the next month Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jj77 Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 44 minutes ago, The Bard said: They absolutely do. To win a major tournament you need a miserly defence and astute manager and they have that. Main issue is with scoring, though they managed to win the 2006 world cup without a main striker (took 6 different strikers all of whom scored at some point). I don't see how you can compare the 2006 world cup squad containing some of the modern greats of Italian football to the average side of today. But if i'm wrong I'll hold my hands up. I do have a soft spot for Italy and I love pizza. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 6 minutes ago, jj77 said: I don't see how you can compare the 2006 world cup squad containing some of the modern greats of Italian football to the average side of today. But if i'm wrong I'll hold my hands up. I do have a soft spot for Italy and I love pizza. Looks good to me if the ageing centre backs can have a good tournament Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prankerd Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 2 hours ago, cityloyal473 said: Me neither. Sheesh, what next - everyone through to the knockout stages. Thats been clarified above by BCFCGav. But still, why this screwing around with it. Top two through that should be it. You not see copa America? 2 groups of 5 and 4 out of each group goes to the knockout stages Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red7 Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 1 hour ago, Phileas Fogg said: Agreed - I don't think it would be a 'miracle' though, we aren't Wales or Macedonia. Given our history in the Euros, it would certainly be astonishing if we went and won it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityloyal473 Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 25 minutes ago, prankerd said: You not see copa America? 2 groups of 5 and 4 out of each group goes to the knockout stages Deary me. Everyone's a winner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daored Posted June 9, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 49 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: Looks good to me if the ageing centre backs can have a good tournament Immobile good odds to be top goal scorer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prankerd Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 20 minutes ago, daored said: Immobile good odds to be top goal scorer 18/1 atm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 2 hours ago, Red7 said: I think we have a decent chance if other teams could knock out France and Belgium. I reckon both these teams would tear England a new one. Interestingly, France went pretty much with what is likely to be their starting line-up in yesterday's friendly. Surely this is a far better approach than England's. I always get the impression that countries such as France, Germany and now Belgium already know what their best XI is, whereas England doesn't have such a clear idea. Sadly people would say we had an "easy" route again! We've nothing to fear in Belgium, we've beaten them since the WC. France look a strong force though I agree. I dont think it's that he doesn't know his best 11, he was tied by the fact that so many players had just played in the European Cup finals and nursing injuries. Would it have been preferred to get some continuity and play his strongest side? of course, but it was more important to manage those fitness levels especially as we've already got injuries to several players. Funny that so many people rate Belgium, they are essentially 2006 England. All the big names but flatter to decieve at tournaments. Admittedly they made the semi-finals as well, but they always seem to be overrated to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bas's perfect hattrick Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 23 minutes ago, MarcusX said: Sadly people would say we had an "easy" route again! We've nothing to fear in Belgium, we've beaten them since the WC. France look a strong force though I agree. I dont think it's that he doesn't know his best 11, he was tied by the fact that so many players had just played in the European Cup finals and nursing injuries. Would it have been preferred to get some continuity and play his strongest side? of course, but it was more important to manage those fitness levels especially as we've already got injuries to several players. Funny that so many people rate Belgium, they are essentially 2006 England. All the big names but flatter to decieve at tournaments. Admittedly they made the semi-finals as well, but they always seem to be overrated to me Totally agree about Belgium. I wouldn't even say their first 11 is that strong. Ok they have a Courtois, Lukaku, De Bruyne, but he is injured. Hazard has been off form for ages. Ageing centre backs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red7 Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 28 minutes ago, MarcusX said: Sadly people would say we had an "easy" route again! We've nothing to fear in Belgium, we've beaten them since the WC. France look a strong force though I agree. I dont think it's that he doesn't know his best 11, he was tied by the fact that so many players had just played in the European Cup finals and nursing injuries. Would it have been preferred to get some continuity and play his strongest side? of course, but it was more important to manage those fitness levels especially as we've already got injuries to several players. Funny that so many people rate Belgium, they are essentially 2006 England. All the big names but flatter to decieve at tournaments. Admittedly they made the semi-finals as well, but they always seem to be overrated to me They have looked far more of a cohesive unit to me than England in recent games. But, yes, they do flatter to deceive at tournaments. Then again, so do England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brad blit Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 I have griezmann at 22/1 for golden boot, £10 EW In terms of whole competition, this is probably a couple years too early for England with lack of experience within squad, probably the complete opposite to Belgium who have prob passed their peak. Portuguese aren’t as strong defensively as others, and the Italians need a world class striker. Germany and Spain havnt been in best of form and Holland don’t have strength of other teams. I’d be surprised if France don’t win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 1 hour ago, daored said: Immobile good odds to be top goal scorer I've got him to be top scorer and Italy to win it at about 200/1 I think. Worth £2 ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genghis Khan's pants Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 Drew England in the office Euro sweepstake today........Sorry everyone!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 11 minutes ago, Genghis Khan's pants said: Drew England in the office Euro sweepstake today........Sorry everyone!!! You lucky bastard, I got Slovakia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoyalRed Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 6 hours ago, daored said: Didn’t realise it was three to qualify from each group I don’t think that’s every group Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturny Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 For me it’s between Portugal or France to win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rednotblue Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 I actually think this Euros is more open due to Covid and picking a winner is tricky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 France or Italy would be my picks. They've got the best overall squads. Portugal, Belgium and England have good strength in attack but the defences are too weak and patchy. De Bruyne got his face smashed in didn't he? So he's out. I think we'll see a number of dark horses as well. In particular I'd fancy Ukraine and Austria to spring a few surprises...if they can convert their good attacking play into actual goals. Hoping for a good tournament, although I do wish it would revert to the right, high quality 16 team, 4 group tournament I grew up with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoyalRed Posted June 10, 2021 Report Share Posted June 10, 2021 Last time out, brings back some bad memories - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36573171 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted June 10, 2021 Report Share Posted June 10, 2021 People’s predictions for the the starting 11 on Sunday. Read a couple of articles Shaw could start centre back. Shows the lack of depth in that position if true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoyalRed Posted June 10, 2021 Report Share Posted June 10, 2021 30 minutes ago, Red Army 75 said: People’s predictions for the the starting 11 on Sunday. Read a couple of articles Shaw could start centre back. Shows the lack of depth in that position if true. Yes this - https://www.givemesport.com/1704880-englands-euro-2020-xi-vs-croatia-southgate-considers-starting-four-fullbacks I do prefer Chilwell at left back so how do they fit in Shaw ? Either that or go for a back 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted June 10, 2021 Report Share Posted June 10, 2021 56 minutes ago, LoyalRed said: Yes this - https://www.givemesport.com/1704880-englands-euro-2020-xi-vs-croatia-southgate-considers-starting-four-fullbacks I do prefer Chilwell at left back so how do they fit in Shaw ? Either that or go for a back 4 If they play Chilwell and Shaw that means we will play a back 5 with Shaw as one of the CBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted June 10, 2021 Report Share Posted June 10, 2021 Got a bad feeling that Foden and Grealish will be on the bench Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted June 10, 2021 Report Share Posted June 10, 2021 6 minutes ago, Super said: Got a bad feeling that Foden and Grealish will be on the bench Sunday. So do I. I have a feeling Southgate will favour Rashford and Sterling. Him making Rashford captain for the friendly was quite telling I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted June 10, 2021 Report Share Posted June 10, 2021 14 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: So do I. I have a feeling Southgate will favour Rashford and Sterling. Him making Rashford captain for the friendly was quite telling I think. Do you think he would take a draw now against Croatia? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard Posted June 10, 2021 Report Share Posted June 10, 2021 23 hours ago, elhombrecito said: I'm still like a kid when it comes to Euros and World Cups. Will probably watch every game. Sod all this cynicism, I'm just going to enjoy the next month Well said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard Posted June 10, 2021 Report Share Posted June 10, 2021 2 hours ago, Red Army 75 said: People’s predictions for the the starting 11 on Sunday. Read a couple of articles Shaw could start centre back. Shows the lack of depth in that position if true. Best solution to an awkward problem. Mings simply isn't up to it. Coady and Stones too similar so play one and put defensive inside full backs either side of Stones. We won a double doing exactly this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted June 10, 2021 Report Share Posted June 10, 2021 13 minutes ago, Super said: Do you think he would take a draw now against Croatia? I think so. He'd never admit it but obviously given the way the groups are structured he'd probably prefer to come second and avoid a harder tie upon qualifying. A draw and then two wins (whilst hoping Croatia do the same with better goal difference) is the best way of achieving this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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