Phileas Fogg Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 8 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Dunno if anyone on here watched it, thought Italy were pretty good. Turkey qualified in quite good style and haven't lost many in a couple of years. Didn't do much though, bit disappointed in them as usually quite technically sound. Only one game but Italy aren't necessarily the Italy of old, defensively sound absolutely but more possession and absolutely more pressing than the old Cattenaccio stereotype. Don't seem that clinical though. Ironically, they probably had more talented players 15-20, let alone 25-30 years ago but often a much more defensive mindset. They'll certainly be strong opposition. Italy look like exactly the sort of team historically we'd struggle against. Effective at keeping possession, excellent defending and shape - but able to break and find opportunities when they need to. Thought they were really professional and disciplined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Red Army 75 said: Can’t quite believe Foden might not start. Been in sensational form for Man City and has kept Sterling out of the side. Also Grealish could be benched. Just paper talk at the moment but for me that will be disappointing. Would be a shame.. if it were up to me, I'd like to see us play something like this. Fullbacks can be interchanged, no issue with this team but Chilwell/James starting. Pickford Walker, Stones, Maguire (if not fit then White), Shaw Rice, Bellingham Mount Grealish, Kane, Foden Realistically he's never going to go with that and obviously it's a bit frail defensively. I think on paper though that's our most exciting and attacking side which would worry the opposition. I don't see any reason why we can't play a side like that in our group games at the very least though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 8 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: Would be a shame.. if it were up to me, I'd like to see us play something like this. Fullbacks can be interchanged, no issue with this team but Chilwell/James starting. Pickford Walker, Stones, Maguire (if not fit then White), Shaw Rice, Bellingham Mount Grealish, Kane, Foden Realistically he's never going to go with that and obviously it's a bit frail defensively. I think on paper though that's our most exciting and attacking side which would worry the opposition. I don't see any reason why we can't play a side like that in our group games at the very least though. Agree. I just see it as going into the tournament you pick the players who have been on form too hopefully carry on their momentum . Whilst Grealish has been injured he has played the last two games . He makes things happen and constantly draws fouls . If Southgate sets up more defensively minded IMO Croatia will take advantage of that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robin_unreliant Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 19 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: Would be a shame.. if it were up to me, I'd like to see us play something like this. Fullbacks can be interchanged, no issue with this team but Chilwell/James starting. Pickford Walker, Stones, Maguire (if not fit then White), Shaw Rice, Bellingham Mount Grealish, Kane, Foden Realistically he's never going to go with that and obviously it's a bit frail defensively. I think on paper though that's our most exciting and attacking side Only problem with that front 3 is no real pace. One out of Rashford/Sterling/Sancho at least gives us some speed on the break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 1 hour ago, robin_unreliant said: Only problem with that front 3 is no real pace. One out of Rashford/Sterling/Sancho at least gives us some speed on the break. Agreed, I heard pundits saying this in one of the friendlies. That's why I think he will do as you've said and play at least 1 of Rashford/Sterling/Sancho. If he was bold he could then drop Mount deeper (he's a nailed on starter I think) in place of Bellingham and then play Grealish or Foden as the most advanced midfielder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 2 hours ago, Red Army 75 said: Can’t quite believe Foden might not start. Been in sensational form for Man City and has kept Sterling out of the side. Also Grealish could be benched. Just paper talk at the moment but for me that will be disappointing. I think that would be my turning point on Southgate tbh. I don’t know what can be seen in training that overrules the sensational season Fodens had and what Grealish has shown in an England shirt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 1 minute ago, MarcusX said: I think that would be my turning point on Southgate tbh. I don’t know what can be seen in training that overrules the sensational season Fodens had and what Grealish has shown in an England shirt. They only reasoning would be the need for raw pace I think. Sterling always underwhelms me for England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 Just now, Phileas Fogg said: They only reasoning would be the need for raw pace I think. Sterling always underwhelms me for England. Agree on pace, I really like Sterling (and Rashford) but their both in poor form by their high standards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Phileas Fogg said: Italy look like exactly the sort of team historically we'd struggle against. Effective at keeping possession, excellent defending and shape - but able to break and find opportunities when they need to. Thought they were really professional and disciplined. Over 20 shots, more than break when they need to tbh. Not saying they'd dominate v us but don't think we would either. Could be a fairly even game, but while we would have the better attack, they would perhaps have the better defence albeit one with aging centre backs that can be vulnerable. Who would have more possession? Difficult to say but they even hit mid to high 60's v Portugal in 2019, but perhaps didn't create enough. Approaching 60% away to Holland too in Nations League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 8 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Over 20 shots, more than break when they need to tbh. Well yes but obviously you know what I was saying, didn't need to be taken literally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 Morrell starting for Wales, good tournament and Luton could find themselves with a valuable asset whose happy to leave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petehinton Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 Find the general wankfest over wales in 2016 a bit odd - they seem to gloss over how a decent chunk of that squad (and basically the scorers of all their big goals) are English Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiltshire robin Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Lrrr said: Morrell starting for Wales, good tournament and Luton could find themselves with a valuable asset whose happy to leave Has morell played much for Luton ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AberRed Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 On paper this is a better Wales team than 2016. But this is a harder draw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 Morrell playing a bit higher up that he usually does. Looks like Allen is the deepest and Joe is playing higher up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, AberRed said: On paper this is a better Wales team than 2016. But this is a harder draw. Given how bad Turkey were every chance they will get out the group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedorDead BCFC Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 12 minutes ago, petehinton said: Find the general wankfest over wales in 2016 a bit odd - they seem to gloss over how a decent chunk of that squad (and basically the scorers of all their big goals) are English They can’t help being born in England, everyone deep down wishes they could be born in gods country Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AberRed Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 Just now, Super said: Given how bad Turkey were every chance they will get out the group. If they play like they did last night, definitely! Both Wales & Switzerland would probably take a draw today if Turkey play that badly against them. Turkey are something of an enigma. Beat France in qualifying for this Euros, and beat Holland in World Cup qualifying back in March, so they must be quite good. But they looked dreadful yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS2 Red Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 I can't see Wales getting out of their group, but I'm hoping they can. Would love England to play Scotland and Wales in this tournament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, AberRed said: If they play like they did last night, definitely! Both Wales & Switzerland would probably take a draw today if Turkey play that badly against them. Turkey are something of an enigma. Beat France in qualifying for this Euros, and beat Holland in World Cup qualifying back in March, so they must be quite good. But they looked dreadful yesterday. I think much of that might be down to how shit hot Italy look! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 Decent effort that, good save too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Acton Red Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 32 minutes ago, RedorDead BCFC said: They can’t help being born in England, everyone deep down wishes they could be born in gods country The reason Wales is so green is because it always rains. Spent a week there on holiday once at Pendine sands and it rained all week,vowed never to go back.Give me Dorset all day long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 Huge let off at the end, all the Swiss bloke had to do was get it on target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baba Yaga Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 Was just checking Severovic on Wikipedia and he does that miss. I thought he doesn't look very prolific (which is a shame because they look a tidy team) but he has actually scored more than 1 in 2 for Benfica. Probably should have been a pen to Switzerland, my issue with them is that I can see them creating lots of chances before scoring. Wales can definitely do damage at the other end but haven't shown much going forward, would like to see the Welsh win and if they take an early chance in the 2nd half it will set the game up beautifully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 1 minute ago, Lanterne Rouge said: Huge let off at the end, all the Swiss bloke had to do was get it on target. That Seferovic who missed that is awful. Seen him play quite a few times and he seems to need about 37 chances for a goal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 1 minute ago, Lanterne Rouge said: Huge let off at the end, all the Swiss bloke had to do was get it on target. Should have been a penalty anyway, I thought. The Swiss striker almost had the shirt pulled off his back! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFCGav Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 Swiss have left their shooting boots at home. Wales need to change something, not sure Rob Page is the master tactician to inspire it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 1 minute ago, BCFCGav said: Swiss have left their shooting boots at home. Wales need to change something, not sure Rob Page is the master tactician to inspire it. As above, Seferovic doesn’t own a pair of shooting boots, I don’t think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazred Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 5 minutes ago, Harry said: That Seferovic who missed that is awful. Seen him play quite a few times and he seems to need about 37 chances for a goal! Was just about to post the same. Never seen him play at club level but he's been banging them in for Benfica. In contrast, Sommer always seems to play well, good keeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North London Red Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 6 minutes ago, italian dave said: Should have been a penalty anyway, I thought. The Swiss striker almost had the shirt pulled off his back! I thought the same. Surprised VAR didn’t pick that up. If Embolo had stumbled to the floor I think that would have been given. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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