Mr Popodopolous Posted June 18, 2021 Report Share Posted June 18, 2021 Draw was about fair, expected a closer game than some predictions out there but still saw an England win. Stones hit post early, but James did clear off the line. Why doesn't Grealish start? Shame TAA was injured, he could have been a real outlet but all sides seem to have injuries or many going into this tournament so It's not a real excuse. Czech Republic next, we beat them 5-0 in a qualifier at Wembley, does anyone predict a repeat? That said they beat us in Prague, as we gradually lost control of midfield. Sancho and Bellingham could come in, when Maguire gets fit he can give us another outlet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reigate Red Posted June 18, 2021 Report Share Posted June 18, 2021 There is another thread at the moment about "football now and then". I think back to 1996 and compare that to tonight's borefest and think modern football is a pale imitation. Tonight England had no passion, intensity, idea or desire. Utter shite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curr Avon Posted June 18, 2021 Report Share Posted June 18, 2021 At least Shaw tried to get behind the Scottish defence, James continually passed backwards when facing up the full back and he's better than that. Mentally, England were a yard short. They have time and a game against the Czechs to increase their intensity. Pass the ball forward, keep it moving and take some risks. Forget this performance and win on Tuesday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz Posted June 18, 2021 Report Share Posted June 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, Atticus said: Its the same every tournament. Its complete bollocks. However, I would expect our players to be up for the fight against a Nation that clearly hates us. And one that was well up for it themselves and pushing well above their weight because of it. I don't like Southgate. Never liked him as a player, never rated him as a manager, and can't stand listening to him. For me, he just talks in the same tone all the time, and I can't imagine that as a player, I would be able to be motivated by him. The England players expect to just turn up and win sometimes. Today was one of those days. People suggesting 2/3-0 before the game are just deluded - we aren't that good. I've also just realised as I type this, he reminds me exactly of Lee Johnson - just a better budget version of him. LJ - average League 1 footballer, average L1/Championship manager. Southgate- average Premiership footballer, average Championship/Premiership/International manager. Explains my dislike for both I guess I was watching bits of the North Macedonia game the other day whilst I was on my split shift break with the boy, and I saw more passion and determination from those players than some of the England players today. Kane also either doesn't look fit, or is trying not to get injured so any potential transfer gets scuppered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted June 18, 2021 Report Share Posted June 18, 2021 How I'd go next Pickford James Stones Mings Chillwell Rice Mount Grealish Foden Calvert-Lewin Sancho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz Posted June 18, 2021 Report Share Posted June 18, 2021 11 minutes ago, joe jordans teeth said: They are favs because people in this country bet them,you go to Spain and you can get us for 15-1 That's a very good point to be fair!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted June 18, 2021 Report Share Posted June 18, 2021 Did Scotland win the tournament. Or draw 0-0 against a shit England side Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted June 18, 2021 Report Share Posted June 18, 2021 3 minutes ago, Reigate Red said: There is another thread at the moment about "football now and then". I think back to 1996 and compare that to tonight's borefest and think modern football is a pale imitation. Tonight England had no passion, intensity, idea or desire. Utter shite. It'll all be ok... Gareth said we're gonna dust ourselves down & 'go again' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curr Avon Posted June 18, 2021 Report Share Posted June 18, 2021 Just now, Red Army 75 said: Did Scotland win the tournament. Or draw 0-0 against a shit England side Swindon? Sorry, I thought it was 2014. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Posted June 18, 2021 Report Share Posted June 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, Taz said: I don't like Southgate. Never liked him as a player, never rated him as a manager, and can't stand listening to him. For me, he just talks in the same tone all the time, and I can't imagine that as a player, I would be able to be motivated by him. The England players expect to just turn up and win sometimes. Today was one of those days. People suggesting 2/3-0 before the game are just deluded - we aren't that good. I've also just realised as I type this, he reminds me exactly of Lee Johnson - just a better budget version of him. LJ - average League 1 footballer, average L1/Championship manager. Southgate- average Premiership footballer, average Championship/Premiership/International manager. Explains my dislike for both I guess I was watching bits of the North Macedonia game the other day whilst I was on my split shift break with the boy, and I saw more passion and determination from those players than some of the England players today. Kane also either doesn't look fit, or is trying not to get injured so any potential transfer gets scuppered. I remember back when he was Boro manager. There was a reason they booted him out so quickly during his reign in the championship after they had been relegated. He is a yes man promoted from within. Typical FA DNA. However, I dont think it is deluded to suggest 2/3-0 is beyond the realms of possibilities against Scotland. On paper we should be. Scotland are not good. I wouldnt even say they are mediocre. If it wasnt for the rule changes to the Euros they would still be in the wilderness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted June 18, 2021 Report Share Posted June 18, 2021 Just now, Son of Fred said: It'll all be ok... Gareth said we're gonna dust ourselves down & 'go again' I agree with that . Must of collected a lot of dust tonight with their lack of movement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo88 Posted June 18, 2021 Report Share Posted June 18, 2021 Until a week ago I had no idea when England were playing, as I’d lost interest in watching after years of disappointment. This match confirmed my lack of interest was the correct decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecretSam Posted June 18, 2021 Report Share Posted June 18, 2021 Fans' player ratings on BBC website gave Kane 2.97/10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redinthehead Posted June 18, 2021 Report Share Posted June 18, 2021 That was poor. We just don’t have a midfield. There’s such a gap between the defensive line (including Phillips and Rice) and the attackers it makes it very different to try and build an attack. The lack of midfielders in the squad makes it hard to resolve as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bannerman Posted June 18, 2021 Report Share Posted June 18, 2021 9 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Draw was about fair, expected a closer game than some predictions out there but still saw an England win. Stones hit post early, but James did clear off the line. Why doesn't Grealish start? Shame TAA was injured, he could have been a real outlet but all sides seem to have injuries or many going into this tournament so It's not a real excuse. Czech Republic next, we beat them 5-0 in a qualifier at Wembley, does anyone predict a repeat? That said they beat us in Prague, as we gradually lost control of midfield. Sancho and Bellingham could come in, when Maguire gets fit he can give us another outlet. Agreed most but the one James saved off the line was going wide. over reaction by souness a draw was fair result with a shite England side Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRock Posted June 18, 2021 Report Share Posted June 18, 2021 Crab Football at its worse. Congratulations Southgate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted June 18, 2021 Report Share Posted June 18, 2021 15 minutes ago, Show Me The Money! said: Yeah, maybe. In 96 though we were poor in the first game, got a bit of luck against Scotland. 98 was an if only. Who knows where we’d got to had we got past the argies. Only tournament I can ever remember watching where we actually looked good was in 82. Went out of that tournament without losing a game. I don’t remember it too well apart from Bryan Robson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted June 18, 2021 Report Share Posted June 18, 2021 3 minutes ago, Bannerman said: Agreed most but the one James saved off the line was going wide. over reaction by souness a draw was fair result with a shite England side Good point. As for Souness, It's Scotland's Cup Final and while I agree, can see his point, as all they need to do is beat Croatia at Hampden and highly likely they're then through. Out of Group Stage for the first time ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gillies Downs Leeds Posted June 18, 2021 Report Share Posted June 18, 2021 5 minutes ago, Redinthehead said: That was poor. We just don’t have a midfield. There’s such a gap between the defensive line (including Phillips and Rice) and the attackers it makes it very different to try and build an attack. The lack of midfielders in the squad makes it hard to resolve as well. Move Mason Mount back one and leave Phillips or Rice out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
054123 Posted June 18, 2021 Report Share Posted June 18, 2021 Glad to hear Southgate say we’ll go back to working on our patterns next week. Filled with confidence again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Geoff Posted June 18, 2021 Report Share Posted June 18, 2021 1 minute ago, 054123 said: Glad to hear Southgate say we’ll go back to working on our patterns next week. Filled with confidence again. Gareth Southgate....the Dean Holden of International football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BanburyRed Posted June 18, 2021 Report Share Posted June 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, 054123 said: Glad to hear Southgate say we’ll go back to working on our patterns next week. Filled with confidence again. Knitting patterns? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted June 18, 2021 Report Share Posted June 18, 2021 1 minute ago, Gillies Downs Leeds said: Move Mason Mount back one and leave Phillips or Rice out. Vs better sides, I worry a bit about that. The old 4-3-3 vs 4-2-3-1, or Mount as 3rd man could be exposable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted June 18, 2021 Report Share Posted June 18, 2021 Anyone who hasn't already done so in the thread please make a point of praising Scotland because, if you don't, Graeme Souness will look for you, he will find you, and he will kill you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted June 18, 2021 Report Share Posted June 18, 2021 The jocks always raise their game against England. A draw was always likely. Bloody boring to watch tho. Completely uninspiring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Show Me The Money! Posted June 18, 2021 Report Share Posted June 18, 2021 12 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Good point. As for Souness, It's Scotland's Cup Final and while I agree, can see his point, as all they need to do is beat Croatia at Hampden and highly likely they're then through. Out of Group Stage for the first time ever. I don’t see them beating Croatia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted June 18, 2021 Report Share Posted June 18, 2021 On a side note. Given the relative scepticism of Keane, Neville and Vieira in analysis after Italy's second 3-0 win, vs a decent European side. Italy are approaching 30 unbeaten and no goals conceded in 10. They were not terribly effusive, bit of damning with faint praise I thought, but ultimately not good enough to win they said. They may not be but what does that say about our chances?? So far anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Posted June 18, 2021 Report Share Posted June 18, 2021 Just now, Show Me The Money! said: I don’t see them beating Croatia Neither do I. Croatia too need to win. And Scotland, lets not forget are w***. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grifty Posted June 18, 2021 Report Share Posted June 18, 2021 43 minutes ago, Lrrr said: Have we secretly employed the rugby selection policy of not picking players who play abroad (other then Bellingham's token appearance and Trippier who Southgate loves picking) Yeah why didn't Southgate select more players that play abroad. Except for the two you mentioned... oh and Sancho... but yeah he should have picked more! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRock Posted June 18, 2021 Report Share Posted June 18, 2021 I don’t think Wrighty was very impressed with Southgate taking Foden off that’s for sure. Can’t understand why Southgate wasn't asked about that decision rather than asking him about Kane - who we all knew played crap. No doubt Southgate would have blabbed on about keeping the shape, but that needed changing even more than the personnel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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