Redstart Posted June 19, 2021 Report Share Posted June 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said: So if you put eleven top professionals on a pitch and they don’t play well, it’s the manager’s fault? Sorry to say I think it is the managers fault if you play them in an iffy formation, fail to make tactical changes to overcome the fact we were clearly being stifled in midfield and then make dodgy substitutions such as taking Foden off and leaving Sancho on the bench. I'll be honest, I'm really not a Southgate fan but this was a real Johnsonesque performance from the England manager in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intercity Posted June 19, 2021 Report Share Posted June 19, 2021 2 hours ago, downendcity said: When and how the did LJ get the job as consultant to the England manager? Apparently it was the Power Point presentation. Southgate and the FA blown away... If only they would blow away out of English National football. In their defence, same s**t, different tournament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offside Posted June 19, 2021 Report Share Posted June 19, 2021 Last night England’s performance was uninspiring and rigid - the players didn’t have any guile or imagination. Like others have said, very reminiscent of City over the last couple of years. Players seeming like they couldn’t adapt to the way the game unfolded, and the coaches not being able to change things to shake it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted June 19, 2021 Report Share Posted June 19, 2021 The teams that have impressed thus far - France, Italy and the Netherlands particularly - turn defence into attack quickly, have players running with the ball with power and pace on the break, which doesn’t give the opposition chance to re-set their own defensive lines meaning space opening up in the final third. By comparison, England seems able to quickly turn defence into yet more defence, by ponderous passing sideways and backwards, so that by the time any positive forward movement takes place the opposition has reformed and got players back behind the ball into a solid defensive shape, challenging England to produce something creative. This in turn only seems to produce yet more phases of the ball being passed sideways across in front of the defensive line until the move inevitably breaks down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh Louie louie Posted June 19, 2021 Report Share Posted June 19, 2021 Before kane even gets a sniff, hes got 3 defenders on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NcnsBcfc Posted June 19, 2021 Report Share Posted June 19, 2021 18 minutes ago, Oh Louie louie said: Before kane even gets a sniff, hes got 3 defenders on him. A bit like us with Elliason in the 19-20 season. Sides have realised if you shut down a particular player in certain teams; and that team have no plan b; then that is them done creatively. In certain games he was double, if not tripled teamed. You would have thought that would afford more time and space to our other players; but we would just go into our shells. In the 2018 World Cup, Kane wasn't just scoring, he was also coming deep to thread those passes through for the midfield runners. Without that link up play, England are looking one dimensional at best. You also have to bear in mind that in that Tournament, we beat the footballing powerhouses of Tunisia, Panama, Sweden & Columbia. Whilst losing the other 3 games to decent sides (Belgium twice, & Croatia). We kind of flattered to deceive. The way in which qualifying for tournaments is set up with rankings; also means that generally we have a very easy ride of it. Once again leading to false hope and expectation. Southgate needs a bit of a reset here for the Czech game. No need for the double pivot of Rice & Phillips. Play your best full backs (Trippier on right (Not left); and Chillwell. He's so worried about our centre backs, that he is compromising the midfield to put a shield in front of them. To progress in this tournament, we need to go back to what we do best; and not get ourselves into the mindset of trying to cover up the deficiencies of team; by compromising what we do best. Let's see what the Czech game brings. Hopefully, Southgate will adopt an offensive approach that will bear dividends. I wouldn't be adverse to Calvert-Lewin starting instead of Kane (who's not right, for whatever reason). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokey Posted June 19, 2021 Report Share Posted June 19, 2021 It's the curse of ITV. 3 wins in normal time since 1998 in tournament football on ITV in 23 games. 15 wins in 21 games on BBC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southport Red Posted June 19, 2021 Report Share Posted June 19, 2021 3 hours ago, Phileas Fogg said: Weirdly we could've used Trippier last night, his set piece delivery may have made a difference in such a tight niggly game. Thought our set pieces were especially poor. Corners and free kicks never resulted in chances (other than the Stones header). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southport Red Posted June 19, 2021 Report Share Posted June 19, 2021 11 minutes ago, Smokey said: It's the curse of ITV. 3 wins in normal time since 1998 in tournament football on ITV in 23 games. 15 wins in 21 games on BBC. It’s because we have a Conservative government. We only win World Cups when there’s a Labour government Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke_bristol Posted June 19, 2021 Report Share Posted June 19, 2021 Lee Johnson wouldn’t have looked out of place in that midfield last night. How scary is that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted June 19, 2021 Report Share Posted June 19, 2021 27 minutes ago, luke_bristol said: Lee Johnson wouldn’t have looked out of place in that midfield last night. How scary is that? He wouldn’t have looked out of place in the head coach’s dugout either! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRock Posted June 19, 2021 Report Share Posted June 19, 2021 What’s wrong? ….. the FA, coaches and Southgate are about 20 years behind the rest of football. They’re still playing possession football, the mentality that SoD had, ‘possession is king’. The few passes that go forward, as opposed to sideways or backwards are rarely into space in front of a player, they are either to feet or slightly behind the forward player so he has to check his run. Always the low risk ball. Forward momentum is lost. It’s hopeless, boring football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted June 20, 2021 Report Share Posted June 20, 2021 @RedRockagree. Look at the bottom line for pass map and passing heat map. Scotland forced us wide, and we fell for it. Look at Reece James….made 81/82 passes….very few forward though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red_Alligator Posted June 21, 2021 Report Share Posted June 21, 2021 Same old story. English players who are talked up and consequently over-rated by the media and anyone involved in promoting our Premier League during the domestic season. But when it actually comes to competing at tournament level, disappointment duly follows, followed by puzzlement, dismay, endless analysis and finger pointing. Southgate will inevitably be dismissed for under achieving with a group of talented world beaters. He won't be the first, or the last. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supercidered Posted June 21, 2021 Report Share Posted June 21, 2021 On 19/06/2021 at 13:27, Marco the red said: We aren't very good with a cautious manager. Here you go Marco. I've just edited that for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyTonyTony Posted June 21, 2021 Report Share Posted June 21, 2021 Maybe we need to do the Haka before kick off. I bet Grealish would fall over whilst doing it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted June 21, 2021 Report Share Posted June 21, 2021 33 minutes ago, TonyTonyTony said: Maybe we need to do the Haka before kick off. I bet Grealish would fall over whilst doing it he wouldn't be starting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted June 21, 2021 Report Share Posted June 21, 2021 On 19/06/2021 at 07:36, The Dolman Pragmatist said: So if you put eleven top professionals on a pitch and they don’t play well, it’s the manager’s fault? Hmmm. Whatever you think of the selection, that team was good enough to beat Scotland if they played well. The fact is that the on-field decision-making was very poor and you can hardly hold the manager responsible for that. I remember Shaun O’Driscoll once saying that you could prepare players to make right decisions on the field, but that when the whistle went, it was down to the players. I understand Southgate’s comment about it being important not to lose, so the result is hardly a disaster, and the time to hit form is when you get out of the qualifying group. Italy traditionally start slow and go onto win it, or get near, whatever the competition. They appear to be doing it differently this time If England had drawn with Croatia and beaten the sweaty socks there would hardly have been a word said. England are exactly where they need to be at this stage without hitting anything like top gear. So without getting hysterical or giving Southgate any “merd” I would ALWAYS start Chillwell unless injured and the lad from Villa needs a start. IMO! Cmon England Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon bristol Posted June 21, 2021 Report Share Posted June 21, 2021 On 19/06/2021 at 14:50, Oh Louie louie said: Before kane even gets a sniff, hes got 3 defenders on him. That should mean theres 3 less players for other players to have to worry about. we have to start with kane who is blowing out of his arse after 10 minutes. However, sterling is first pick and has created practically nothing but got a tap in against croatia. No one is really creating anything but we are still playing with 2 defensive midfielders and foden and mount are having little impact as well. I dont know what the answer is??! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILINFRANCE Posted June 21, 2021 Report Share Posted June 21, 2021 1 hour ago, REDOXO said: Italy traditionally start slow and go onto win it, or get near, whatever the competition. They appear to be doing it differently this time If England had drawn with Croatia and beaten the sweaty socks there would hardly have been a word said. England are exactly where they need to be at this stage without hitting anything like top gear. So without getting hysterical or giving Southgate any “merd” I would ALWAYS start Chillwell unless injured and the lad from Villa needs a start. IMO! Cmon England Fingers crossed he doesn't test positive tomorrow, then - he is currently self-isolating, having come into close contact with Gilmour (who has tested positive). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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