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18 minutes ago, italian dave said:

Maybe I'm just not good at finding it! 

I had a look at the Marca website and cant see too much on there. Generous penalty, controversial decisions, but who'd argue with that? Certainly nothing like the bollox from the tabloids here when we play Germany.

They've got an interesting photo on there that I hadn't seen before, which seems to show that as Sterling started his run into the box (when he got the pen) there was a second ball on the pitch, and quite close by.

Agree though that it's all very entertaining - although of course that's easier to say when things go you way!

There was a very salty Marca quote yesterday, basically English this, English that. However, it really doesn't matter, you aren't worked up about it and I'm certainly not either. Whatever anyone says and however much hot air they breathe it's Italy and England walking out onto that pitch on Sunday.......if 95% of the football supporting world wants England to get done then so be it, we'll all survive another day!!

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4 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

There was a very salty Marca quote yesterday, basically English this, English that. However, it really doesn't matter, you aren't worked up about it and I'm certainly not either. Whatever anyone says and however much hot air they breathe it's Italy and England walking out onto that pitch on Sunday.......if 95% of the football supporting world wants England to get done then so be it, we'll all survive another day!!

I saw that also, they had the cheek to insinuate we were cheaters. This from an Italian side, hypocrisy is astonishing. They sound nervous, and they should be. They are a good side but think they are tiring and we have a better bench. We just need to take our chances.

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3 hours ago, chinapig said:

Also our players have learned how to rest in possession, the way Man City do for instance.

In the WC semi final against Croatia we simply ran out of energy. Now we have periods when we slow the game down and pass it around to conserve energy then attack in bursts. Hence Sterling for instance was still full of running after 120 minutes.

Smart coaching and well executed.

some what agree. However if a team has the comfort to conserve energy means that the opposing team are either saving there strength as well and sitting back or setting up a strategic ball game. could be but unlikely it is smart coaching or just a period of the game that some times happens when things settle down.

Sterling was full of energy and so he should be as he is paid well. More diving skills in the pool for sterling I think over the next couple of days. 😂

 

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56 minutes ago, City oz said:

some what agree. However if a team has the comfort to conserve energy means that the opposing team are either saving there strength as well and sitting back or setting up a strategic ball game. could be but unlikely it is smart coaching or just a period of the game that some times happens when things settle down.

Sterling was full of energy and so he should be as he is paid well. More diving skills in the pool for sterling I think over the next couple of days. 😂

 

I think you are underestimating how much energy is used following the ball around, physical and mental

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2 hours ago, Numero Uno said:

There was a very salty Marca quote yesterday, basically English this, English that. However, it really doesn't matter, you aren't worked up about it and I'm certainly not either. Whatever anyone says and however much hot air they breathe it's Italy and England walking out onto that pitch on Sunday.......if 95% of the football supporting world wants England to get done then so be it, we'll all survive another day!!

Hi, could you link to the salty quotes please. Thanks.

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It’s almost as if no footballer for any team/country has EVER taken a dive to win a penalty. 
For decades England were seen as amateurs at the ‘dark arts’ of the game, whilst pretty much every other country dived, cheated and conned their way to results. 
All of a sudden; England get a pretty soft penalty (that wasn’t actually a dive, just soft) and we’re the worlds biggest cheats. 
 

It’s so pleasing seeing the amount of vitriol directed at us. I love it. 
No one likes us, we don’t care. That’s what should be belted out at Wembley on Sunday. 

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2 hours ago, RUSSEL85 said:

I saw that also, they had the cheek to insinuate we were cheaters. This from an Italian side, hypocrisy is astonishing. They sound nervous, and they should be. They are a good side but think they are tiring and we have a better bench. We just need to take our chances.

That's just in the nature of football fans though, isn't it? You can see it routinely on OTIB during the season. When City concede a soft penalty it's an outrage, cheating ref, diving opponents etc. When we win the same penalty it's a lucky break, 50/50 that went our way. When the opposing team is ahead and delay taking a throw in, make the most of an injury, it's cheating; yet we call for our players to develop a tougher side and when they do it's 'game management'!!

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14 hours ago, Slack Bladder said:

I've been loving all the comments on social media today about how disrespectful England fans are by booing the opponents National Anthem.

Football is one of the most partizan sports in the world, it's almost tribal. It's the job of the home fans to make your ground a fortress, a place where teams fear to go. You don't want teams to come to your place and think oooh this is nice and friendly.

Just look at the games in general last season without fans. There was hardly any home advantage and why was that? Because the home fans were not making it uncomfortable for the away teams. It's our job as supporters

So surely booing the National Anthem of the opposing team is not being disrespectful, it is purely about making an intimidating atmosphere, letting the other team know you are in our playground now. 


Exactly.  It’s almost as if no other country have ever booed a national anthem before. 
Happens everywhere. I’m 100% certain that if the game was in Rome that the Italians would roundly boo our anthem. I don’t know why people get so wound up about it. 
GNev is right……

 

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9 minutes ago, Harry said:

It’s almost as if no footballer for any team/country has EVER taken a dive to win a penalty. 
For decades England were seen as amateurs at the ‘dark arts’ of the game, whilst pretty much every other country dived, cheated and conned their way to results. 
All of a sudden; England get a pretty soft penalty (that wasn’t actually a dive, just soft) and we’re the worlds biggest cheats. 
 

It’s so pleasing seeing the amount of vitriol directed at us. I love it. 
No one likes us, we don’t care. That’s what should be belted out at Wembley on Sunday. 

Perhaps the new National Anthem............

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Everyone except England fans all rooting for Italy on Sunday............that virtuous European Morals Powerhouse whose players don't go over easily, who never had fans in large numbers booing the Spanish National Anthem the other night, a country where corruption in football has never ever happened and where monkey noises directed at Romelu Lukaku have been taken completely the wrong way by the player himself (how ******* dare he the cheeky Belgian bastard) and most certainly aren't racist in any way, shape or form.

I haven't actually got a problem with Italy tbh but if you cannot read into the comments being made about us that they are no more and no less than anti-English vitriol from people who would be called "racist" in this country if they were English and saying the same about other countries then there's no helping you!!

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Rewatched the highlights on my lunchbreak and I totally forgot how many chances we actually had, we were all over them and looking back at the "England robbed Denmark" comments are just pure bullshite. 

Our midfield really does kill the game and tones it down, something I'm not sure how the Italians will handle. Germany tried similar fast paced football Vs us and look how that turned out... 

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1 minute ago, Sturny said:

Rewatched the highlights on my lunchbreak and I totally forgot how many chances we actually had, we were all over them and looking back at the "England robbed Denmark" comments are just pure bullshite. 

Our midfield really does kill the game and tones it down, something I'm not sure how the Italians will handle. Germany tried similar fast paced football Vs us and look how that turned out... 

Denmark did start well and then ran out of gas. Whatever people say about us (and people were predicting we would be getting a hiding against Germany earlier in the tournament) we obviously aren't an easy team to play against over the full 90 minutes. Whether Italy will find it easier, we'll soon see.

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33 minutes ago, Harry said:


Exactly.  It’s almost as if no other country have ever booed a national anthem before. 
Happens everywhere. I’m 100% certain that if the game was in Rome that the Italians would roundly boo our anthem. I don’t know why people get so wound up about it. 
GNev is right……

 

I saw that tweet by GN and he is spot on. To be honest all this vitriol and abuse from the rest of Europe has been bubbling up for decades made even worse by our exit from the European union - they absolutely hate us and i for one find it absolutely hilarious. Getting called ‘’cheats’’ by the ******* Italians of all people haha it’s laughable. 

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7 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

Denmark did start well and then ran out of gas. Whatever people say about us (and people were predicting we would be getting a hiding against Germany earlier in the tournament) we obviously aren't an easy team to play against over the full 90 minutes. Whether Italy will find it easier, we'll soon see.

I really don't understand them running out of gas so easily to be honest, it was very sudden, it was like they celebrated after their goal so hard it knackered them out haha 

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7 minutes ago, Sturny said:

I really don't understand them running out of gas so easily to be honest, it was very sudden, it was like they celebrated after their goal so hard it knackered them out haha 

I just think we play at high intensity like the Italians also do. Spain seemed to be the only country (v Italy) that had an answer to it....which is basically make the high intensity team run around chasing the ball for long periods at high intensity!!

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6 minutes ago, EmissionImpossible said:

Okay……if you do stumble across them. Please share. Many Thanks.

You seem a bit confused. There is no legal obligation for me to post evidence (you can believe me or not, that's fine and your shout) and I'm not employed as your PA. Many Thanks.

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4 hours ago, City oz said:

some what agree. However if a team has the comfort to conserve energy means that the opposing team are either saving there strength as well and sitting back or setting up a strategic ball game. could be but unlikely it is smart coaching or just a period of the game that some times happens when things settle down.

Sterling was full of energy and so he should be as he is paid well. More diving skills in the pool for sterling I think over the next couple of days. 😂

 

And yet highly paid England players of the past couldn't last the pace. Why? I would suggest :

1. England teams of the past tended to try to play at 100 miles an hour because that was supposed to be the English way. We kept insisting that other teams couldn't cope with our physicality and yet they consistently did.

2. We haven't been good historically at keeping the ball, which meant we were having to chase around after opponents who could, expending unnecessary energy.

3. Our technical and tactical development of players was behind other major European teams. Capello reportedly reckoned England players didn't have the nous to play anything but 4-4-2. Now our players are more adaptable.

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1 hour ago, chinapig said:

And yet highly paid England players of the past couldn't last the pace. Why? I would suggest :

1. England teams of the past tended to try to play at 100 miles an hour because that was supposed to be the English way. We kept insisting that other teams couldn't cope with our physicality and yet they consistently did.

2. We haven't been good historically at keeping the ball, which meant we were having to chase around after opponents who could, expending unnecessary energy.

3. Our technical and tactical development of players was behind other major European teams. Capello reportedly reckoned England players didn't have the nous to play anything but 4-4-2. Now our players are more adaptable.

It might be an unpopular view but the Academy system is starting to bear fruit on a national level. Years of coaches not worried about winning an U12's game and sometimes even losing it by getting kids to try and do the "right" thing, teams playing out, scenario coaching to play your way out of tight situations, playing players in many different positions until they are 15/16, telling gobby parents who think they know better to either accept it or **** off etc. etc. When these kids go up to big boys football with the first team squad and you have technically AND tactically gifted foreigners alongside them they are no longer the "English kid that can't play but will do my running all day for me". It might not be perfect but you would have to be a fool not to see that our kids have improved by a ridiculous amount in the technical and tactical areas over the last 10-15 years.

When have you seen us keep the ball for 53 passes like we did at the end the other night? There would have been other coaches in other countries doing a double take there saying "that wasn't England that just did that was it?"........

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22 hours ago, Numero Uno said:

You seem a bit confused. There is no legal obligation for me to post evidence (you can believe me or not, that's fine and your shout) and I'm not employed as your PA. Many Thanks.

I’m not sure where you are going with this. I do believe you but had missed these articles. 

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On 09/07/2021 at 15:25, EmissionImpossible said:

Okay……if you do stumble across them. Please share. Many Thanks.

Can't remember where I saw them quoted, but they said that after decades of Englands "pure" football they no longer have the right to accuse others of cheating. Also had a go at the fact that England have played all games bar one at home (same as other host nations of course) and it looks like its being put on a plate for them.

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