M.D Posted July 9, 2021 Report Share Posted July 9, 2021 NP said in an interview he wanted to build from the back. He has done that with Atkinson, Baker and Simpson signed. He's also gone for James and King, two trusted footballers he knows well to also make us solid in midfield. I would say that he's done good business team building wise to give us a solid base with a budget he is obviously working with Im pretty happy so far. Its a team build that will take time and I'm happy with the work we are doing in the short term, its obvious what he's doing.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted July 9, 2021 Report Share Posted July 9, 2021 1 hour ago, Merrick's Marvels said: If Williams and Semenyo aren't fit enough and Nagy has been sold, never mind Kalas, the team virtually picks itself. Which is a worry - not enough depth. More worrying is, whatever 11 you start with, when you write down a second choice 11 there's nowhere near enough quality - not enough players demanding a place in that first 11 on merit. So we're relying on a few key individuals to stay fit and play to the best of their ability, all season. FWIW, IF everyone was fit and no-one sold: 4-2-3-1: Bentley; Vyner, Kalas, Baker, Dasilva; James, Williams; Weimann, Massengo, O'Dowda; Wells. (O'Leary, Simpson, Atkinson, Nagy, King, Semenyo, Martin) Does this formation rely too heavily on Wells for goals? So maybe, 4-3-1-2: Bentley; Vyner, Kalas, Baker, Dasilva; James, Williams, Massengo; Weimann; Martin, Wells. (Conway replaces Martin on the bench) Three goal-scorers on the pitch (plus Williams and James chipping in) takes the weight of Wells, who has scored the majority of his goals with a partner alongside him. Not much width, so the full backs need to be on their bikes, plus Weimann would be free to roam. Not that it'll be either of the above, of course MM - I actually think something like a 4312 or 4132 makes better use of our squad of players than other systems. Gregor tweeted earlier that an 11v11 was two sets of 433. But as I often say it’s not really about formation but how players play in their role, and the fluidity in and out of possession and the transitions between them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redpole Posted July 9, 2021 Report Share Posted July 9, 2021 Looks like they played 433 in training matches today. Gregor has said the back 4 of 1 team, Simpson, Dasilva, Baker and Atkinson but not mentioned anything else yet other than Vyner played RB for other team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted July 9, 2021 Report Share Posted July 9, 2021 52 minutes ago, Gillies Downs Leeds said: Agree re Bakinson, for me he is an attacking midfielder. Playing any deeper he is a bit of a liability. 43 minutes ago, JonDolman said: Interesting. Could Bakinson behind Wells be kind of like Stiepermann behind Pukki I wonder. Bakinson is maybe too risky in deep positions. Absolutely class but when being brave on the ball so deep, he's always likely to make a mistake at some point. Wherever he plays he will have to be a lot fitter this season. I really hope Nige sticks with him because I think he looks a special talent. What we have to consider when starting to think about players playing in different positions is what that can mean for their ball receiving positions. I think most of feel Tyreeq can be a lovely passer, forward passes that break the lines are a key feature, but… …he is often doing that because he’s facing up the pitch. The further you play him up the pitch, the more he is gonna receive the ball back to goal, rather than square on or half-turn. I would completely change the dynamic of his game. I’m not saying he can’t play there but it would be a big deviation from how he gets on the ball today. I just don’t like the perceived assumption that because someone is creative, they should be a natural further forward. Bit like saying that because Pirlo is such a creative player, he should play in the no10 slot. It doesn’t always work like that. Personally I’d like to see us move away from “detailed” positions like DM or CAM or no10 and have just “midfielders” who just compliment each other / the team and have enough football intelligence to know when they need to protect and when they can be more expansive whether that’s positionally or in possession of the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted July 9, 2021 Report Share Posted July 9, 2021 12 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Personally I’d like to see us move away from “detailed” positions We started a Pub team that played like that, first game 2-0 up our Centre Half got caught offside 3 times We lost 3-2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gillies Downs Leeds Posted July 9, 2021 Report Share Posted July 9, 2021 13 minutes ago, Davefevs said: What we have to consider when starting to think about players playing in different positions is what that can mean for their ball receiving positions. I think most of feel Tyreeq can be a lovely passer, forward passes that break the lines are a key feature, but… …he is often doing that because he’s facing up the pitch. The further you play him up the pitch, the more he is gonna receive the ball back to goal, rather than square on or half-turn. I would completely change the dynamic of his game. I’m not saying he can’t play there but it would be a big deviation from how he gets on the ball today. I just don’t like the perceived assumption that because someone is creative, they should be a natural further forward. Bit like saying that because Pirlo is such a creative player, he should play in the no10 slot. It doesn’t always work like that. Personally I’d like to see us move away from “detailed” positions like DM or CAM or no10 and have just “midfielders” who just compliment each other / the team and have enough football intelligence to know when they need to protect and when they can be more expansive whether that’s positionally or in possession of the ball. The issue I have with TB is that he doesn't learn Dave. I have seen him give the ball away too many times when playing in the deeper position. You just cannot keep losing / giving the ball away 40 yards from your own goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrick's Marvels Posted July 9, 2021 Report Share Posted July 9, 2021 15 minutes ago, Davefevs said: What we have to consider when starting to think about players playing in different positions is what that can mean for their ball receiving positions. I think most of feel Tyreeq can be a lovely passer, forward passes that break the lines are a key feature, but… …he is often doing that because he’s facing up the pitch. The further you play him up the pitch, the more he is gonna receive the ball back to goal, rather than square on or half-turn. Opened a can of worms there, Dave - Palmer's excellent at that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted July 9, 2021 Report Share Posted July 9, 2021 A bit early isn't it for a game that is one month away? I reckon on about 40 pages by end of July! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Countryfile Posted July 9, 2021 Report Share Posted July 9, 2021 Bentley Vyner Kalas Baker Dasilva James Massengo COD Scott Weimann Martin Subs O’Leary Bell Atkinson Palmer Nagy Bakinson Wells Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted July 9, 2021 Report Share Posted July 9, 2021 For me, assuming Williams fit and Semenyo not Bentley Vyner Kalas Atkinson Dasilva Williams Massengo Weimann James Nagy New striker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted July 9, 2021 Report Share Posted July 9, 2021 4 hours ago, Merrick's Marvels said: If Williams and Semenyo aren't fit enough and Nagy has been sold, never mind Kalas, the team virtually picks itself. Which is a worry - not enough depth. More worrying is, whatever 11 you start with, when you write down a second choice 11 there's nowhere near enough quality - not enough players demanding a place in that first 11 on merit. So we're relying on a few key individuals to stay fit and play to the best of their ability, all season. FWIW, IF everyone was fit and no-one sold: 4-2-3-1: Bentley; Vyner, Kalas, Baker, Dasilva; James, Williams; Weimann, Massengo, O'Dowda; Wells. (O'Leary, Simpson, Atkinson, Nagy, King, Semenyo, Martin) Does this formation rely too heavily on Wells for goals? So maybe, 4-3-1-2: Bentley; Vyner, Kalas, Baker, Dasilva; James, Williams, Massengo; Weimann; Martin, Wells. (Conway replaces Martin on the bench) Three goal-scorers on the pitch (plus Williams and James chipping in) takes the weight of Wells, who has scored the majority of his goals with a partner alongside him. Not much width, so the full backs need to be on their bikes, plus Weimann would be free to roam. Not that it'll be either of the above, of course To an extent I agree, but Pearson is nothing if not transparent & he made it very clear he wanted a smaller squad with greater competition. He also said he wanted 5 players, named their positions & a striker aside, he has done exactly what he said. I think apart from up front (& no experienced left back cover) the squad is actually decent. We have an excellent keeper & an ideal deputy. Simpson is trusted by Pearson, I’m a big Vyner fan so think he’s good enough at RB. Left back is a clear concern but Dasilva simply has to start to be available more often. In the middle Kalas (if he stays) is top quality, Atkinson hasn’t been bought not to play & Baker is experienced cover, then Moore or Cundy in an emergency. We have 6 central midfielders for 3 places. James & Williams should be certs, leaving us a promising youngster in HNM, a bloke who has just had an excellent Euros, a model professional & Bakinson.. Out wide O’Dowda, Weimann & Semenyo are good options, plus the enigma that is Palmer. Up front we have the experienced Wells & Martin, Weimann can play there, plus a few promising kids of which Conway has impressed me most. That is a squad of 22 or 23 if you add Pring/Nurse, not perfect but whilst I totally accept the point that it relies heavily on certain players, not too bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finley_Smith10 Posted July 9, 2021 Report Share Posted July 9, 2021 Bentley Vyner Kalas Baker Dasilva Weimann Williams James ODowda Martin Wells Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garland-sweden Posted July 9, 2021 Report Share Posted July 9, 2021 Semenyo not fit enough to start I think. Vyner rb, Weimann and Nagy from start. Martin and Wells upfront. Not COD from start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garland-sweden Posted July 9, 2021 Report Share Posted July 9, 2021 6 hours ago, Banned User said: I think Pearson rates COD on the wings. LJ and Holden played COD. Dont think a third manager will play him. Waited so long that he should make end product, but Im hard to believe that he should have assists and goals for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted July 9, 2021 Report Share Posted July 9, 2021 51 minutes ago, Garland-sweden said: LJ and Holden played COD. Dont think a third manager will play him. Waited so long that he should make end product, but Im hard to believe that he should have assists and goals for us. I’ve not been his biggest fan….but I think he might be one who Nige will get something out of. Now or never. 26. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garland-sweden Posted July 10, 2021 Report Share Posted July 10, 2021 Hope so but i doubt it. Many players move on when it dont work for them in a Club. COD Have played many games for us but seldom made an impact. Ok ,I know he scored vs Norwich a couple of years ago. Since Eliasson left We dont have any winger, not good. Sometimes football is simple, winger, cross in to the box and goal. Your England tea is good on that, Thinking Sterling, Grealish. Never mind, Im a City supporter and I Hope COD finally make it. COYR!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redpole Posted July 14, 2021 Report Share Posted July 14, 2021 On 09/07/2021 at 15:21, redpole said: Bentley Simpson Atkinson Kalas DaSilva o’dowda King James Massengo Weimann Martin I wasn’t far away from the line up v Celtic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted July 15, 2021 Report Share Posted July 15, 2021 I think if everyone was fit NP would go with the following: Bentley Simpson, Kalas, Atkinson, DaSilva Williams, James Semenyo, Weimann, Wells Martin It looks attacking but the front 4 would be expected to do their defensive duties. You'd get pace, power, height, work rate and experience. The three behind Martin could press high when needed, but generally engage just inside our half. O'Dowda would be pushing Wells for the left midfield role. Massengo, Bakinson, Palmer and King all can come into the more centre midfield roles, depending which strength is needed. Vyner pushing for RB role, Baker CB back up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carey 6 Posted July 15, 2021 Report Share Posted July 15, 2021 24 minutes ago, mozo said: I think if everyone was fit NP would go with the following: Bentley Simpson, Kalas, Atkinson, DaSilva Williams, James Semenyo, Weimann, Wells Martin It looks attacking but the front 4 would be expected to do their defensive duties. You'd get pace, power, height, work rate and experience. The three behind Martin could press high when needed, but generally engage just inside our half. O'Dowda would be pushing Wells for the left midfield role. Massengo, Bakinson, Palmer and King all can come into the more centre midfield roles, depending which strength is needed. Vyner pushing for RB role, Baker CB back up. If we start with Wells on the left and Martin through the middle we'll struggle for goals. Honestly I really hope that's not the case. Nahki Wells is a striker, he's scored consistently at this level for years, we need him in the box. Chris Martin is on the decline, he started the season well then badly faded. I'm very worried about going into a season with him as our main striker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted July 15, 2021 Report Share Posted July 15, 2021 38 minutes ago, Carey 6 said: If we start with Wells on the left and Martin through the middle we'll struggle for goals. Honestly I really hope that's not the case. Nahki Wells is a striker, he's scored consistently at this level for years, we need him in the box. Chris Martin is on the decline, he started the season well then badly faded. I'm very worried about going into a season with him as our main striker. Yeah I'm only basing this on my guess that NP would want physical presence up front, and would see this as a compromise in order to squeeze a variety of forwards in there. You could have Wells at the top, O'Dowda on the left and Martin on the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Bakes Posted July 15, 2021 Report Share Posted July 15, 2021 For me currently our Starting XI... Bentley Vyner Kalas Baker Dasilva Nagy James Weimann King Odowda Martin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted July 15, 2021 Report Share Posted July 15, 2021 14 minutes ago, Matt Bakes said: For me currently our Starting XI... Bentley Vyner Kalas Baker Dasilva Nagy James Weimann King Odowda Martin Don’t think that’ll be a million miles off. Think most of us will get 7 or 8 spot on, just a few questions on who the other 2 or 3 will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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