Harry Posted July 11, 2021 Report Share Posted July 11, 2021 Just now, Rob k said: Henderson had been subbed / Southgate just saying it was his call for the penalty order That’s what I mean mate. I know he was subbed. I’m saying he shouldn’t have been. He should’ve been one the names, given his experience, captaincy and the fact he stole a penalty 3 weeks ago - he stepped up then, he should’ve been a taker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted July 11, 2021 Report Share Posted July 11, 2021 11 minutes ago, robin_unreliant said: Forget the penalties. Italy dominated the second half and Southgate didn't have the balls to use our subs until it was too late. He totally blew that tactically. The 4141 with Saka in CM was pathetic, would have been better having Bellingham on the pitch playing in the middle. The whole success early against Italy was getting at the full backs with quick switches of play and playing in between the CB/FB channel which we stopped doing even before the end of the 1st half. Southgate just didn't adapt to Mancini's changes and then we looked leggy in extra time with Southgate's refusal to get fresh legs on, he subbed off the only player who didn't start Wednesday when we went to extra time then as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted July 11, 2021 Report Share Posted July 11, 2021 1 minute ago, LondonBristolian said: As far as I can find, his record is 40%. Saka’s after tonight is 50%. He’s missed 3 out of 10 for Arsenal under 23s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redtrojan Posted July 11, 2021 Report Share Posted July 11, 2021 Gareth is an FA suit ,after we scored ,we reverted to a defensive mode and let the Italians play.Highly unlikely a good Italian team wouldn’t score in nearly 88 minutes!! I think it’s centrally coached into them LJ used to behave very similarly,and they can all talk a good game. Massive opportunity lost ,oh well nothing new being a City and England fan.Just annoyed how many people blowing smoke up Southgate’s arse . He was poor as Middlesbrough manager and with the talent available to him should have done much better tonight, if we’d lost giving it a go I’d be far less disappointed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingswood Robin Posted July 11, 2021 Report Share Posted July 11, 2021 4 minutes ago, robin_unreliant said: That WAS our time and I'm sorry but our cautious manager blew it. Our time may come again. As great as the manager has been, unfortunately some big mistakes when it mattered most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedorDead BCFC Posted July 11, 2021 Report Share Posted July 11, 2021 I’m Welsh, but embarrassed by what some of those cocks are writing on Sky championship banter page. You lot down well, you lifted the country during these shite times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Team Posted July 11, 2021 Report Share Posted July 11, 2021 Rashford, Sancho and Saka all shit pens but the more senior players went into hiding there. What a missed opportunity when your keeper save two. Oh well, only three weeks until much more important football! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dolman Pragmatist Posted July 11, 2021 Report Share Posted July 11, 2021 7 minutes ago, swanker said: His decision making tonight was pretty poor. Bringing Rashford and Sancho for the penalty shootout left him with egg on his face. Tactical genius he ain’t! They were the best in training so fair enough I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mihai Posted July 11, 2021 Report Share Posted July 11, 2021 9 minutes ago, Curr Avon said: We've lost a Cup Final on penalties, but this England team have done the country proud, with a young, talented team led superbly by Gareth Southgate. Well done to Italy, but England's time will come. Superbly is too much. Spain was better, Portugal could be better. That two teams were very unlucky. Italy and England most of the time had luck. I wanted the Trophy to come home but that is the life. The better team won, better manager won in fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted July 11, 2021 Report Share Posted July 11, 2021 Just now, petehinton said: But if he misses, everyone says “he missed one in 2018 what was Southgate thinking !!!!!” Of course. But the reality is that everyone is going to decide the players who missed should never have taken one and the ones who didn’t take one were obvious choices, no matter who they are. What I find weird is how many people seem to think players did not step up. I’m pretty certain Southgate will have decided, rightly or wrongly, who he wanted taking them long in advance. Football has moved a long way past the days when penalty takers were chosen on the night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted July 11, 2021 Report Share Posted July 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, petehinton said: But if he misses, everyone says “he missed one in 2018 what was Southgate thinking !!!!!” But it would’ve been an easier decision to justify and certainly more in line with Southgate’s pragmatic approach. Given Southgate’s tendency for caution, I’d have thought Henderson would’ve been nailed on ahead of the youngest player in the squad! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted July 11, 2021 Report Share Posted July 11, 2021 Disappointed, but not down about things. A lot over the tournament to be pleased with, and nothing at the end of it. We go again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAmNick Posted July 11, 2021 Report Share Posted July 11, 2021 At that level I don't think pens come down to records or how good you are at taking them, it comes down to your nerve. Getting 60% or whatever at PL level is nothing compared to that walk tonight from the centre circle. I'd have the more experienced players ahead of most of the kids personally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted July 11, 2021 Report Share Posted July 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, joe jordans teeth said: He’s missed 3 out of 10 for Arsenal under 23s Ah - think some of those are missing from the stats I saw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC Grim Posted July 11, 2021 Report Share Posted July 11, 2021 3 minutes ago, RedRock said: Better team won. Southgate had the stronger hand after 10 minutes, one goal up and a fresher squad. Continued his negative philosophy, that got us far. …... but fell short against a top team. And there it is. People continually shot down on here for criticising his negative tactics. Was always going to catch up with us in the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BanburyRed Posted July 11, 2021 Report Share Posted July 11, 2021 Southgate not committing himself to the WC in 2024 when interviewed on ITV... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gasbuster Posted July 11, 2021 Report Share Posted July 11, 2021 Change the lyrics of Three Lions to “Sixty years of hurt”. How much ******* longer are we going to have to wait ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityexile Posted July 11, 2021 Report Share Posted July 11, 2021 5 minutes ago, Redtrojan said: Gareth is an FA suit ,after we scored ,we reverted to a defensive mode and let the Italians play.Highly unlikely a good Italian team wouldn’t score in nearly 88 minutes!! I think it’s centrally coached into them LJ used to behave very similarly,and they can all talk a good game. Massive opportunity lost ,oh well nothing new being a City and England fan.Just annoyed how many people blowing smoke up Southgate’s arse . He was poor as Middlesbrough manager and with the talent available to him should have done much better tonight, if we’d lost giving it a go I’d be far less disappointed. In fairness I thought the whole of the first half we carried a threat. Second half was ‘bet you cannot score with 75% possession in a half’. As we find out time and time again the better teams can. No one is saying at a goal up it should be charge of the light brigade stuff, but we should be able to continue to carry some threat. Southgate is a safety first manager. We can all see the momentum of a game change, and if we are still a goal up he does nothing...until we aren’t. As for three little more than kids taking the last three penalties, the senior players have to step up there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted July 11, 2021 Report Share Posted July 11, 2021 Penalties aside, have to say that for all the talk before the game about Chiellini and Bonucci being too old, never properly tested, vulnerable if you run at them and so on, they were superb yet again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted July 11, 2021 Report Share Posted July 11, 2021 3 minutes ago, BCFC Grim said: And there it is. People continually shot down on here for criticising his negative tactics. Was always going to catch up with us in the end. If you mean that, if you keep complaining long enough, you’ll eventually find a justifiable cause for complaint then I agree. Back in the logical world, we have had our best tournament finish in 55 years and finished where we should have done as the second best team in the tournament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted July 11, 2021 Report Share Posted July 11, 2021 The tactics were poor. Overly conservative, sterile timid. Englands U shape with Mount disappearing conceded midfield for two thirds of the game. Italy sat in England's half. It was elements of Croatia 2018 again. Saka made poor decision after poor decision during the game. His performance looked like he was over awed by the occasion. The man management behind having a stressed nineteen year old to take a penalty in England's biggest game for five decades was abysmal. Bringing cold players on to take penalty's is not efficient .. The better team and coach won. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Dicks Posted July 11, 2021 Report Share Posted July 11, 2021 I’ve seen England beat the Germans and get to a final, losing only on penalties. I would have taken that before the finals started. Well done Gareth and well done England . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronnie Sinclair Posted July 11, 2021 Report Share Posted July 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, The Gasbuster said: Change the lyrics of Three Lions to “Sixty years of hurt”. How much ******* longer are we going to have to wait ? I always get confused about this xx years amount of hurt, did everybody around then hurt straight after they won it in 1966, surely the hurt was when they went out in 1970 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted July 11, 2021 Report Share Posted July 11, 2021 3 minutes ago, BanburyRed said: Southgate not committing himself to the WC in 2024 when interviewed on ITV... The pedant in me wants to give an obvious explanation! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted July 11, 2021 Report Share Posted July 11, 2021 1 minute ago, LondonBristolian said: If you mean that, if you keep complaining long enough, you’ll eventually find a justifiable cause for complaint then I agree. Back in the logical world, we have had our best tournament finish in 55 years and finished where we should have done as the second best team in the tournament. Agree with that overall. Italy deserved it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted July 11, 2021 Report Share Posted July 11, 2021 Manna from heaven for the people who've hated every minute of Southgate getting it spot on over the last few weeks, prove them 'right' and all that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodsy62 Posted July 11, 2021 Report Share Posted July 11, 2021 8 minutes ago, joe jordans teeth said: Christ even I’m not that pessimistic I'm struggling to see 3 worse sides think Blackpool will go back down roll on the Pearson revival Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted July 11, 2021 Report Share Posted July 11, 2021 Just now, Northern Red said: Manna from heaven for the people who've hated every minute of Southgate getting it spot on over the last few weeks, prove them 'right' and all that. Exactly, the ones who said every decent team we play were going to put 5 past us……miserable bastards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted July 11, 2021 Report Share Posted July 11, 2021 Never gonna win it with Southgate in charge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intercity Posted July 11, 2021 Report Share Posted July 11, 2021 4 minutes ago, Mihai said: Superbly is too much. Spain was better, Portugal could be better. That two teams were very unlucky. Italy and England most of the time had luck. I wanted the Trophy to come home but that is the life. The better team won, better manager won in fact. That last phrase. The better manager won it tonight. I can't fault the players, all very brave and let's be honest, a great tournament. Tonight it was Mancini 1 Southgate 0. Hopefully he'll learn for the future and encourage a more positive mindset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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