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England lost so someone must be to blame !!!!!!

Has it not dawned on all those looking for a scapegoat that the biggest problem we have had since about 1970 is the fear of failure. How many top English players have never performed for the national because of this.

We finally gave a young manager and players who have overcome this fear, but it seems so many just want to reinstate it to make sure we never do win anything!

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I’m frustrated as the performance was absolutely reminiscent of our QF with Portugal in 2004. Less so but also the QF against Brazil in 2002 and in some ways against Argentina in 98 albeit that one was with 10 men.

It’s not the Alamo, particularly, but if you invite pressure, international teams good enough to be in the latter stages of international tournaments will, eventually, make you pay.

Once Italy scored and we dealt with the immediate disappointment, we were then more than a match for them, which suggests we let them dominate us rather than they were better than us, albeit there are probably many psychological elements that explain all this.

I would say, it’s a real lesson for Southgate as this mindset when taking an early lead is unlikely to ever bear fruit. 

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1 minute ago, JamesBCFC said:

Scotland perhaps.

But we were all over Denmark throughout extra time, even without the soft penalty we had plenty of chances.

 

An "ass wipe" is exactly what you are. You are thriving off being negative because you cannot bring yourself to say anything else.

Once again, you do not live in any stretch of realism, because someone who does is actually capable of saying both positives and negatives. And there were positives in the tournament. 

And because you are such a doom merchant, you consider anyone who actually is a realist to be a happy clapper.

Your own views being from such an extreme perverts your perception of everyone else who isn't aligned with you.

Touchy Touchy, have good dreams about a very negative England team tonight.Oh! and change of manager is needed. Truth hurts,"Happy Clapper".

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49 minutes ago, italian dave said:

You and I often disagree, but for me this sums up perfectly.

All I’ve heard from friends in Italy is ‘why did England stop playing after going 1 up?’.

Agree: Saka looked like he was on a different wavelength to other players from the moment he came on til the end. To be fair, his wasn’t the worst penalty: it was a good save.

That double substitution on 119 mins has to go down as one of the worst decisions in history. 

But good tournament, really enjoyed it, and we’ve got plenty of players who’ve done well and will be around for some time into the future. 

Agree, utterly baffling. Rashford had barely kicked a ball all tournament. Saka is a kid. Why didn't Luke Shaw take one? Jordan Henderson? Jack Grealish?

We were disappointing tonight. Sterling and Mason Mount didn't turn up. But on the whole, a good tournament I think.

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14 minutes ago, Red said:

You are one sorry individual, Scotland and Denmark should have beat us. Im am a supporter who see things as it it is., Not an ass wipe.

Denmark should have beaten us? did you actually watch the game? we completely over ran them, come the end they were lucky not to lose by more, Scotland well that was a poor game and nil nil summed it up perfectly.

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2 minutes ago, pillred said:

Denmark should have beaten us? did you actually watch the game? we completely over ran them, come the end they were lucky not to lose by more, Scotland well that was a poor game and nil nil summed it up perfectly.

He’s winding you up! He doesn’t actually think that. Best off ignored 

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Is anyone surprised at that?

Italy started to overrun from halfway through the first half and it continued in the beginning of the second half.

Southgate waited ridiculously too long to make changes. Next idiocy, sending players on at the last minute "to take penalties".

It doesn't work.  If anyone has been watching the Cope D'America you'd have seen a game where Paraguay had to take penalties against Uruguay: they sent some bloke on as a sub and he completely ****** it up. Players need to have a number of touches to play into the game.  Sancho and Rashford barely touched the ball. And Rashford has been in terrible form for months.  Dead-ball specialist Calvert-Lewin was unused.

England will never get anywhere with Southgate in charge. 

We have the players. We simply do not have the brain to use them. 

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6 minutes ago, wayne allisons tongues said:

Would of brought Calvert Lewin instead of Sancho for pens.

interested to see last pen from behind goal there keeper didn’t seem convinced when he saved it.

Do you have inside knowledge that Calvert lewin is a master pen taker because I’m sure Southgate brought on the best he thought we had,the big mistake was he left it to late to get them involved in the game and get up to pace 

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28 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

No-one other than Southgate. He has set the building blocks from the u19s through to u21s through to the senior team. 

He's done an absolutely superb job over the past 4 years. 

World Cup next year I think we have a great chance of winning. Bring it on!

Not with this guy in charge, no way we will get as far as the semis for the third time in a row before playing a halfdecent team, in all fairness he doesn’t deserve another shot considering all that talent on the bench tonight, how the hell did he manage to go through the tournament without starting  Grealish once in 7 games yet 2 defensive midfielders in every single game, he’s a typical  Shite defensive English manager with no plan B other than bringing on another defender

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6 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

Is anyone surprised at that?

Italy started to overrun from halfway through the first half and it continued in the beginning of the second half.

Southgate waited ridiculously too long to make changes. Next idiocy, sending players on at the last minute "to take penalties".

It doesn't work.  If anyone has been watching the Cope D'America you'd have seen a game where Paraguay had to take penalties against Uruguay: they sent some bloke on as a sub and he completely ****** it up. Players need to have a number of touches to play into the game.  Sancho and Rashford barely touched the ball. And Rashford has been in terrible form for months.  Dead-ball specialist Calvert-Lewin was unused.

England will never get anywhere with Southgate in charge. 

We have the players. We simply do not have the brain to use them. 

Dead ball specialist Calvert Lewin,that’s a stretch isn’t it,scored 2 out of 2 while rashford has scored 13 out of 15 in big games,sancho was strange tho I admit 

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55 minutes ago, Slacker said:

There goal was coming for such a long time and we did nothing to counter it.I think this was where we really lost our chance. England did really well to get to the final,but the better team won on the night.

So identical to the WC three years ago, Southgate has learnt absolutely nothing

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6 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

Is anyone surprised at that?

Italy started to overrun from halfway through the first half and it continued in the beginning of the second half.

Southgate waited ridiculously too long to make changes. Next idiocy, sending players on at the last minute "to take penalties".

It doesn't work.  If anyone has been watching the Cope D'America you'd have seen a game where Paraguay had to take penalties against Uruguay: they sent some bloke on as a sub and he completely ****** it up. Players need to have a number of touches to play into the game.  Sancho and Rashford barely touched the ball. And Rashford has been in terrible form for months.  Dead-ball specialist Calvert-Lewin was unused.

England will never get anywhere with Southgate in charge. 

We have the players. We simply do not have the brain to use them. 

Almost missed out on getting them on as well. 

I wouldn't fancy taking a penalty, I'd fancy it even less if it was my first kick of the game. It's really frustrating as we had the ability to win, but just didn't help ourselves ultimately.

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53 minutes ago, Red Alert said:

Despite the result it was fantastic to see an exciting era of English players maturing & coming through.

Would have liked to see more of Foden & Grealish - but this is progress.

Yes it was great to see Grealish, Foden, Bellingham Sancho sat on their arse’s on the bench tonight

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5 minutes ago, harrys said:

Yes it was great to see Grealish, Foden, Bellingham Sancho sat on their arse’s on the bench tonight

Sancho’s lack of involvement is so frustrating, a coach whose not scared of attacking players and Sancho/Grealish would probably be two of the first names on the team sheet. 

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Southgate's fault he chose boys over men for the penalties the experienced players should have been up first no  need for Rashford or Sancho. Also Chellini was trying out a new wwe move on Saka dangerous play should have been a red. Jorgino goes over the top of the ball on Grealish straight red they gave one to the Sweden player against the Ukraine in their earlier match for something similar.

Italy in fairness played some lovely football at times through the lines Cheisa looked quality.

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I don't think Southgate should go and some of the critical outlooks are overboard, but I do hope he can open it up a bit more and learn from his mistakes today. Particularly not changing it early in the second half when it was clear they were pressing even more and we couldn't get into gear. 

The positives outweigh the negatives and this group of players are together. 

A question for those who want him gone who do you get instead?

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2 hours ago, The Batman said:

I'd never criticise a player for missing a pen in a shootout. Takes a lot of bottle to step up to be one of the first 5. 

I always said that the best takers should go 4th and 5th as they're most crucial. But maybe I'm just too old school now. 

 

There's a very good reason why you don't have your best penalty takers at 5 or even 4. It's because it might not get that far. 

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3 hours ago, joe jordans teeth said:

Dead ball specialist Calvert Lewin,that’s a stretch isn’t it,scored 2 out of 2 while rashford has scored 13 out of 15 in big games,sancho was strange tho I admit 

 

The point is - form

At no stage over this Championship, its run-up has Rashford looked like he's in form.  He's scored twice in his last 15 games.

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Absolutely no way Southgate will not be offered a new contract. Not sure I can think of an obvious replacement but that second half was just so predictable. 

England did exactly the same thing as in the Croatia SF. Sat too deep and let the other team have the initiative. GS took way too long to make subs and has to take some of the blame. Kane and Sterling were ineffective and I hate penalty shootouts as our players are not mentally strong enough to win them. 

I expect GS to carry on until the WC when we get a less favourable draw, we go out early and he gets the sack. All depressingly predictable. 

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14 minutes ago, robin_unreliant said:

Absolutely no way Southgate will not be offered a new contract. Not sure I can think of an obvious replacement but that second half was just so predictable. 

England did exactly the same thing as in the Croatia SF. Sat too deep and let the other team have the initiative. GS took way too long to make subs and has to take some of the blame. Kane and Sterling were ineffective and I hate penalty shootouts as our players are not mentally strong enough to win them. 

I expect GS to carry on until the WC when we get a less favourable draw, we go out early and he gets the sack. All depressingly predictable. 

Yeh agree with that bro. I thought we’d be over run in midfield and it proved so. It seems weird but we probably scored too early? I like Southgate but he’s so f ...in defensive! Bloody hard to watch. 

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