slartibartfast Posted March 23, 2016 Report Share Posted March 23, 2016 17 minutes ago, NOTBLUE said: 26 minutes ago, Big Phil said: I recently read a book called 'Bovver' written by a Bristol Rovers fan who followed them through the 70's & 80's in which he alluded to the notion that although City had a slightly larger fanbase Rovers had the far tougher element within Bristol and all the 'softies' supported City. Is there any truth in this or is the author being biased? I take it ,it was filed under "Junior Fiction" ! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo88 Posted March 23, 2016 Report Share Posted March 23, 2016 1 hour ago, Esmond Million's Bung said: Back on subject really nice of the gas to build a much needed car park for the 30k students at UWE, that's community spirit indeed. It's not a very big car park Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted March 23, 2016 Report Share Posted March 23, 2016 38 minutes ago, Big Phil said: I recently read a book called 'Bovver' written by a Bristol Rovers fan who followed them through the 70's & 80's in which he alluded to the notion that although City had a slightly larger fanbase Rovers had the far tougher element within Bristol and all the 'softies' supported City. Is there any truth in this or is the author being biased? How long did it take to colour in? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Dawe Posted March 23, 2016 Report Share Posted March 23, 2016 31 minutes ago, Big Phil said: I recently read a book called 'Bovver' written by a Bristol Rovers fan who followed them through the 70's & 80's in which he alluded to the notion that although City had a slightly larger fanbase Rovers had the far tougher element within Bristol and all the 'softies' supported City. Is there any truth in this or is the author being biased? Who was dopey/deranged/daring (you choose) enough to go to Millwall in the mid 80s and "have a pop" resulting in years of back and forth trouble - City or Rovers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southstandoriginal Posted March 23, 2016 Report Share Posted March 23, 2016 43 minutes ago, Big Phil said: I recently read a book called 'Bovver' written by a Bristol Rovers fan who followed them through the 70's & 80's in which he alluded to the notion that although City had a slightly larger fanbase Rovers had the far tougher element within Bristol and all the 'softies' supported City. Is there any truth in this or is the author being biased? He must be talking about all those softies from Knowle West and Hartcliffe I suppose. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted March 23, 2016 Report Share Posted March 23, 2016 1 hour ago, Big Phil said: I recently read a book called 'Bovver' written by a Bristol Rovers fan who followed them through the 70's & 80's in which he alluded to the notion that although City had a slightly larger fanbase Rovers had the far tougher element within Bristol and all the 'softies' supported City. Is there any truth in this or is the author being biased? Usual gas mythology rules apply. Between the author (Chris Brown) and their chaplain who bangs on all the time about previously being in the National Front and a reformed hooligan, I reckon they could write about ten series of Jackanory without pausing for breath... As a fifty something who grew up a Red in an alleged Rovers area as a kid and is old enough to remember when football hooliganism was at its height, this allegation is just laughable. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natchfever Posted March 23, 2016 Report Share Posted March 23, 2016 (edited) 2 hours ago, Eazy said: In my 20s. Question is, are you brave enough to just meet one on one? UTG Sorry saw he's been banned ! Edited March 23, 2016 by Loon plage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natchfever Posted March 23, 2016 Report Share Posted March 23, 2016 1 hour ago, Big Phil said: I recently read a book called 'Bovver' written by a Bristol Rovers fan who followed them through the 70's & 80's in which he alluded to the notion that although City had a slightly larger fanbase Rovers had the far tougher element within Bristol and all the 'softies' supported City. Is there any truth in this or is the author being biased? Chris Brown did embellish the merits of his little lot in that book and tried to explain away why they shat themselves on a regular basis from around 1977 onwards.to the extent that they simply could not come into the city centre any longer However it is a fact that in 1973/74 they had a mob of older larger men in their twenties and on a one to one basis they were a handful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slartibartfast Posted March 23, 2016 Report Share Posted March 23, 2016 44 minutes ago, Big Brother said: hilarious. I thought the schools broke up tomorrow,he/she must be on an exclusion ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slartibartfast Posted March 23, 2016 Report Share Posted March 23, 2016 30 minutes ago, GrahamC said: Usual gas mythology rules apply. Between the author (Chris Brown) and their chaplain who bangs on all the time about previously being in the National Front and a reformed hooligan, I reckon they could write about ten series of Jackanory without pausing for breath... Yes, on very thin ice, don't think he'll get to heaven ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fat Controller Posted March 23, 2016 Report Share Posted March 23, 2016 (edited) 37 minutes ago, GrahamC said: Usual gas mythology rules apply. Between the author (Chris Brown) and their chaplain who bangs on all the time about previously being in the National Front and a reformed hooligan, I reckon they could write about ten series of Jackanory without pausing for breath... As a fifty something who grew up a Red in an alleged Rovers area as a kid and is old enough to remember when football hooliganism was at its height, this allegation is just laughable. 16 minutes ago, Loon plage said: Chris Brown did embellish the merits of his little lot in that book and tried to explain away why they shat themselves on a regular basis from around 1977 onwards.to the extent that they simply could not come into the city centre any longer However it is a fact that in 1973/74 they had a mob of older larger men in their twenties and on a one to one basis they were a handful. Absolutely nothing to do with me, thanks. Edited March 23, 2016 by Chris_Brown 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slartibartfast Posted March 23, 2016 Report Share Posted March 23, 2016 11 minutes ago, Chris_Brown said: Absolutely nothing to do with me, thanks. You say ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whooooossshhhh Posted March 23, 2016 Report Share Posted March 23, 2016 3 hours ago, Eazy said: I 8 you shit ed *****. Would one of you like scummy lot like to meet one on one tonight? What train is everybody getting??!!! She was fun whilst she was a forum member. Missing her already Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC Posted March 23, 2016 Report Share Posted March 23, 2016 3 hours ago, alexukhc said: Yeah I'm game He's all mine......I quite fancy him! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 23, 2016 Report Share Posted March 23, 2016 3 hours ago, Eazy said: I 8 you shit ed *****. Would one of you like scummy lot like to meet one on one tonight? For imagination and effort, umm, out of 10, that will to be 0. Comedy value, that has to be 10 He wants to meet us all at 1:35 no doubt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redcityman Posted March 23, 2016 Report Share Posted March 23, 2016 3 hours ago, Eazy said: I 8 you shit ed *****. Would one of you like scummy lot like to meet one on one tonight? I've never paid for sex in my life, not going to start now sunshine, I'd stick with the methadone if I was you, those drugs clearly only addle your brain cell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 23, 2016 Report Share Posted March 23, 2016 As to SGR stadium plans, does anyone know of any other stadium having the car park built first? Are they looking for naming rights from NCP? Or is this the new funding plan i.e. car parking fees? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted March 23, 2016 Report Share Posted March 23, 2016 3 minutes ago, bcfcfinker said: As to SGR stadium plans, does anyone know of any other stadium having the car park built first? Are they looking for naming rights from NCP? Or is this the new funding plan i.e. car parking fees? Not a public car park, but I believe the Emirates has underground parking beneath it, possibly staff only. I remember it being part of the requirements for the stadium that on street parking wouldn't be affected for residents. In this case I'd imagine the car park being done first. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Dawe Posted March 23, 2016 Report Share Posted March 23, 2016 1 hour ago, Loon plage said: Chris Brown did embellish the merits of his little lot in that book and tried to explain away why they shat themselves on a regular basis from around 1977 onwards.to the extent that they simply could not come into the city centre any longer However it is a fact that in 1973/74 they had a mob of older larger men in their twenties and on a one to one basis they were a handful. Our memories are unreliable though, notoriously so, how we remember things is invariably little to do with the reality of events. Did Chris Brown keep a diary? Did he get home from a hard day's "aggro" on the Tote and Stapleton Road and an evening down the Bamboo Club, sit down and then make careful notes of the day's events? Even at that distance, about five hours, his memory would've been highly selective and inaccurate ; sitting down to write after 25 years or more would involve a considerable amount of imagination. Most of what he's written will be how he wants to remember those days, rather than accurately portraying events. We all sit with a perfect view and watch Marlon Pack in midfield but you don't get one opinion on how he's played. We see things as we are (in his case, gas) not as they are, as someone once noted. All the time I watch replays of goals or moments in matches and it is never quite as I remembered it in my mind, always a little different. Not disputing your recollection of their "larger men" and them having a mob back then, but the book, like all these books, is a work of fiction and imagination, put together from tiny fragments of memory and with a strong desire to maintain some pride and reputation. Even in their 50s, there's still a lot of the little boy in the playground in blokes when it comes to football. As we see on this thread all the time! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexukhc Posted March 23, 2016 Report Share Posted March 23, 2016 1 hour ago, BobbyC said: He's all mine......I quite fancy him! Beat him off for me, excuse me, I mean beat him up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Dawe Posted March 23, 2016 Report Share Posted March 23, 2016 Another point to make about memory is - just to raise the tone here, briefly - that each time we recall an event we reconstruct it, every time. It changes. We are adding to it, or "forgetting" things. Painful memories, those that are damaging to self esteem (when the Tote took a hiding say), are surpressed. Memory is selective, adaptive, flexible. That's if I remember my neuroscience studies correctly That's why I love looking at old league tables (and attendance records): if we didn't have them, we'd have Rovers insisting they have been the better team all these years and better home crowds, even more than they already do! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slartibartfast Posted March 23, 2016 Report Share Posted March 23, 2016 44 minutes ago, Jack Dawe said: Our memories are unreliable though, notoriously so, how we remember things is invariably little to do with the reality of events. Did Chris Brown keep a diary? Did he get home from a hard day's "aggro" on the Tote and Stapleton Road and an evening down the Bamboo Club, sit down and then make careful notes of the day's events? Even at that distance, about five hours, his memory would've been highly selective and inaccurate ; sitting down to write after 25 years or more would involve a considerable amount of imagination. Most of what he's written will be how he wants to remember those days, rather than accurately portraying events. We all sit with a perfect view and watch Marlon Pack in midfield but you don't get one opinion on how he's played. We see things as we are (in his case, gas) not as they are, as someone once noted. All the time I watch replays of goals or moments in matches and it is never quite as I remembered it in my mind, always a little different. Not disputing your recollection of their "larger men" and them having a mob back then, but the book, like all these books, is a work of fiction and imagination, put together from tiny fragments of memory and with a strong desire to maintain some pride and reputation. Even in their 50s, there's still a lot of the little boy in the playground in blokes when it comes to football. As we see on this thread all the time! Yes, who's going to write (or indeed read) about ....we got belted again, we ran AGAIN ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 23, 2016 Report Share Posted March 23, 2016 As a matter of interest, have SGR threatened to sue UWE yet because I think they've just about sued everyone else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinmans Love Child Posted March 23, 2016 Report Share Posted March 23, 2016 5 hours ago, Big Phil said: I recently read a book called 'Bovver' written by a Bristol Rovers fan who followed them through the 70's & 80's in which he alluded to the notion that although City had a slightly larger fanbase Rovers had the far tougher element within Bristol and all the 'softies' supported City. Is there any truth in this or is the author being biased? He's hardly going to write a book about Rovers and say they were softies! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC Posted March 23, 2016 Report Share Posted March 23, 2016 I think John Coffey (Pilning) has got the car park contract.....He's quite good? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2153331/Ringleader-traveller-gang-600-000-tax-benefits-scam-jailed-years.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDBS36 Posted March 23, 2016 Report Share Posted March 23, 2016 4 hours ago, GrahamC said: Usual gas mythology rules apply. Between the author (Chris Brown) and their chaplain who bangs on all the time about previously being in the National Front and a reformed hooligan, I reckon they could write about ten series of Jackanory without pausing for breath... As a fifty something who grew up a Red in an alleged Rovers area as a kid and is old enough to remember when football hooliganism was at its height, this allegation is just laughable. Was there and done it, brought up in Rovers area, been on more terraces that a few including the dreaded Tote end (What a Laugh) done the walk up Stapleton Road when we marched from Old Market, don't know where they were that day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDBS36 Posted March 23, 2016 Report Share Posted March 23, 2016 3 hours ago, BobbyC said: He's all mine......I quite fancy him! What a dick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natchfever Posted March 23, 2016 Report Share Posted March 23, 2016 2 hours ago, Jack Dawe said: Our memories are unreliable though, notoriously so, how we remember things is invariably little to do with the reality of events. Did Chris Brown keep a diary? Did he get home from a hard day's "aggro" on the Tote and Stapleton Road and an evening down the Bamboo Club, sit down and then make careful notes of the day's events? Even at that distance, about five hours, his memory would've been highly selective and inaccurate ; sitting down to write after 25 years or more would involve a considerable amount of imagination. Most of what he's written will be how he wants to remember those days, rather than accurately portraying events. We all sit with a perfect view and watch Marlon Pack in midfield but you don't get one opinion on how he's played. We see things as we are (in his case, gas) not as they are, as someone once noted. All the time I watch replays of goals or moments in matches and it is never quite as I remembered it in my mind, always a little different. Not disputing your recollection of their "larger men" and them having a mob back then, but the book, like all these books, is a work of fiction and imagination, put together from tiny fragments of memory and with a strong desire to maintain some pride and reputation. Even in their 50s, there's still a lot of the little boy in the playground in blokes when it comes to football. As we see on this thread all the time! @Jack Firstly Chris Brown DID keep a diary and I know that for a fact. The book IS therefore based upon real events but like Henry V said pre Agincourt participants will embellish those facts. I would say therefore that we are looking at five hours rather than 25 years. Indeed I also know for a fact that he researched "incidents" with former foes on our side of the fence to ensure he got the "who hit whom when" correct.I don't know if you have read the book Jack but despite bunging up the Rovers on occasion it is undoubtedly one of the best of it's type offering a snapshot of life for a teenage lad throughout the 70's in terms of agro (of course) clothes music non football hellraising and relationships. Regarding earlier comments about their chaplain I have met Dave J in his current "form" and you will be hard pressed to find a better person and certainly someone who became very close to our man Divvy in his latter days . As for the large men I could name them for you and people of a certain age will know exactly who I am talking about - and they were certainly large if you were a 16/17 year old in different colours ! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 23, 2016 Report Share Posted March 23, 2016 5 minutes ago, Loon plage said: @Jack Firstly Chris Brown DID keep a diary and I know that for a fact. What did it say about slapping Rhi-Rhi about?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Dawe Posted March 23, 2016 Report Share Posted March 23, 2016 38 minutes ago, Loon plage said: @Jack Firstly Chris Brown DID keep a diary and I know that for a fact. The book IS therefore based upon real events but like Henry V said pre Agincourt participants will embellish those facts. I would say therefore that we are looking at five hours rather than 25 years. Indeed I also know for a fact that he researched "incidents" with former foes on our side of the fence to ensure he got the "who hit whom when" correct.I don't know if you have read the book Jack but despite bunging up the Rovers on occasion it is undoubtedly one of the best of it's type offering a snapshot of life for a teenage lad throughout the 70's in terms of agro (of course) clothes music non football hellraising and relationships. Regarding earlier comments about their chaplain I have met Dave J in his current "form" and you will be hard pressed to find a better person and certainly someone who became very close to our man Divvy in his latter days . As for the large men I could name them for you and people of a certain age will know exactly who I am talking about - and they were certainly large if you were a 16/17 year old in different colours ! Based on real events maybe Loon but neuroscience tells us our recall of those events, the details, the nuances, is unreliable and not to be taken as fact! I'm with neuroscience on this, not the Tote End 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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