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No need to worry….we are at the start of another SSC (sag stadium cycle)…..  

noises are made that a site has been found

the sags lap it up and start talking about what stand they will sit in and that they’ll overtake the shit

Waely dampens the enthusiasm by stating “these things take time”

Waely bumbles though the initial planning process, trying to cut costs/corners

the fans get impatient and start pushing the club for some news

the club put out an artist’s impression of the new stadium 

the sags wet themselves again and reiterate they’re coming for us even as they slide further down the 4th division

time keeps ticking and the experts start having concerns of a stadium in an area with poor infrastructure and ripe for residential/commercial development 

the green brigade get involved to further boil the p1ss of the sags

waely realises this ain’t going to happen and he ain’t getting his money back

waely pulls out and tells the sags the deal wasn’t good for the club

the sags believe Waely has the clubs best interests at heart and state they prefer to stay at the mem  and didn’t want a soulless bowl anyway

waely buys a new watch

this thread reaches 3,000 pages

 

 

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7 minutes ago, RedRaw said:

No need to worry….we are at the start of another SSC (sag stadium cycle)…..  

noises are made that a site has been found

the sags lap it up and start talking about what stand they will sit in and that they’ll overtake the shit

Waely dampens the enthusiasm by stating “these things take time”

Waely bumbles though the initial planning process, trying to cut costs/corners

the fans get impatient and start pushing the club for some news

the club put out an artist’s impression of the new stadium 

the sags wet themselves again and reiterate they’re coming for us even as they slide further down the 4th division

time keeps ticking and the experts start having concerns of a stadium in an area with poor infrastructure and ripe for residential/commercial development 

the green brigade get involved to further boil the p1ss of the sags

waely realises this ain’t going to happen and he ain’t getting his money back

waely pulls out and tells the sags the deal wasn’t good for the club

the sags believe Waely has the clubs best interests at heart and state they prefer to stay at the mem  and didn’t want a soulless bowl anyway

waely buys a new watch

this thread reaches 3,000 pages

 

 

Exactly, the UWE all over again. Wally pulled out because they wouldn't own any or part of the UWE stadium, only rent it, and UWE were taking a hefty % of associated income ( car parking,food,bars,etc)

 

This is exactly the same deal - the developer takes their ground. The developer is building a huge infrastructure of retail and hospitality on the fruit market site - do the sags seriously think the developer (their landlord) is going to hand them a slice of that revenue?

And they lap it up ...again 

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23 minutes ago, CodeRed said:

Exactly, the UWE all over again. Wally pulled out because they wouldn't own any or part of the UWE stadium, only rent it, and UWE were taking a hefty % of associated income ( car parking,food,bars,etc)

 

This is exactly the same deal - the developer takes their ground. The developer is building a huge infrastructure of retail and hospitality on the fruit market site - do the sags seriously think the developer (their landlord) is going to hand them a slice of that revenue?

And they lap it up ...again 

The key difference for me, is that the developer is insisting that the Gas sell the Memorial site to them, as a prerequisite for allowing them to rent someone else's stadium.

It's like a landlord (developer) coming to you, and saying you have to sell your house to me, to be able to come and rent my much larger house. 

The landlord won't offer you anywhere near what your house is worth either, if you stayed, knocked your house down; and redeveloped it yourself.

I can only think the Gas have run out of ideas for a new location; and the Developer has seen an opportunity in their vulnerable position to get prime real estate in Horfield for a cheap price; and then get the Gas into the equivalent HMO at the fruit market.

It's all pie in the sky anyhow, as I can't see either sites getting planning permission for a number of years (if at all).

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28 minutes ago, CodeRed said:

Exactly, the UWE all over again. Wally pulled out because they wouldn't own any or part of the UWE stadium, only rent it, and UWE were taking a hefty % of associated income ( car parking,food,bars,etc)

 

This is exactly the same deal - the developer takes their ground. The developer is building a huge infrastructure of retail and hospitality on the fruit market site - do the sags seriously think the developer (their landlord) is going to hand them a slice of that revenue?

And they lap it up ...again 

Since the UWE dead went tits, Wally has had time to reflect on just how much it costs to run a football club. Getting his money back from Mem is probably a great move from his point of view.

As for the Fewers getting all excites about being able to drink pre match in the stadium to put cash back in to the club... wait until Wally notices that the lack of nearby pubs mean he can charge 7 quid a pint.

Would also guess the Spoons by Temple Meads will become a weekly battle ground, with City fans using it for away games, Rovers fans using it for home games and visiting teams just using it.

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14 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said:

Since the UWE dead went tits, Wally has had time to reflect on just how much it costs to run a football club. Getting his money back from Mem is probably a great move from his point of view.

As for the Fewers getting all excites about being able to drink pre match in the stadium to put cash back in to the club... wait until Wally notices that the lack of nearby pubs mean he can charge 7 quid a pint.

Would also guess the Spoons by Temple Meads will become a weekly battle ground, with City fans using it for away games, Rovers fans using it for home games and visiting teams just using it.

He won't get his money back , as I see it the mem gets handover for nothing and the gas get a lease at peppercorn rent for x amount of years ..

The devil.will be in the detail , they pulled.outbif uwe deal as they wouldn't get any non Matchday revenue so you'd think maybe they have a deal on that with this deal but who knows ..

Whilst Coventry leased and it went tits up (although they are buying it back now I believe) many clubs lease now Inc West Ham, Man City , Bournemouth , Huddersfield and loads more ... Technically most clubs stadiums are owned by separate company's anyway so the mem belongs to Al Qadi .. city rent  the gate from Ashton gate holdings I think .. all owned by the owners a lot of clubs do this so if the club's go bust the ground is separate  (protects the investment of the owners) .

If this.stadium.iis built at all.it won't happen for 5-10 years yet  

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Worst case scenario is that they sell the mem and it gets redeveloped, they rent at Twerton or wherever in the short-term and then the new stadium falls through and they are in limbo again. 

I still say that if you look at the site of the people developing the Feeder area, there is no room for a stadium, certainly not in the first 20 years of their plan, is that a timescale that suits them?

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28 minutes ago, Port Said Red said:

Best case scenario is that they sell the mem and it gets redeveloped, they rent at Twerton or wherever in the short-term and then the new stadium falls through and they are in limbo again. 

I still say that if you look at the site of the people developing the Feeder area, there is no room for a stadium, certainly not in the first 20 years of their plan, is that a timescale that suits them?

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As with many things the devil is in the detail. The entire site is 11 acres which, in addition to the Rovers new stadium, will have residential buildings, restaurants and other entertainment venues. When these and access roads are built into the site it won’t leave much room for a football stadium. A typical football pitch with the surrounding grass, excluding stands, is approximately 2 acres. Ashton Vale was 42 acres and when the council only registered 17 acres as a town and village green, it still left 25 acres for City’s new ground. What Rovers will get is a parcel of land just big enough for a pitch and some basic small stands. There will be insufficient room to generate any meaningful non match day revenue, as done by City with exhibitions and conferences, assuming that it’s allowed under the terms of the lease, which isn’t certain 

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2 hours ago, NcnsBcfc said:

The key difference for me, is that the developer is insisting that the Gas sell the Memorial site to them, as a prerequisite for allowing them to rent someone else's stadium.

It's like a landlord (developer) coming to you, and saying you have to sell your house to me, to be able to come and rent my much larger house. 

The landlord won't offer you anywhere near what your house is worth either, if you stayed, knocked your house down; and redeveloped it yourself.

I can only think the Gas have run out of ideas for a new location; and the Developer has seen an opportunity in their vulnerable position to get prime real estate in Horfield for a cheap price; and then get the Gas into the equivalent HMO at the fruit market.

It's all pie in the sky anyhow, as I can't see either sites getting planning permission for a number of years (if at all).

If this went ahead (which it won't), they could be the first "beneficiaries" of the Klaus Schwab/Bildenberg "Great Reset".

"You will own nothing and be happy"

Suckers !

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15 minutes ago, wendyredredrobin said:

A couple of questions.  Firstly, has full planning permission been obtained for the new complex and if not, what obstacles stand in the way?

 

 

Well, I'm off down there now with my dog and to have a picnic with the family.  Might even have a game of French Cricket.

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2 hours ago, CodeRed said:

Exactly, the UWE all over again. Wally pulled out because they wouldn't own any or part of the UWE stadium, only rent it, and UWE were taking a hefty % of associated income ( car parking,food,bars,etc)

This is exactly the same deal - the developer takes their ground. The developer is building a huge infrastructure of retail and hospitality on the fruit market site - do the sags seriously think the developer (their landlord) is going to hand them a slice of that revenue?

And they lap it up ...again 

A minor point in the scheme of things, but I believe Rovers would have built and owned the new UWE stadium itself, but would have leased the surrounding ground (at a peppercorn rent) and, as you say, forfeited a large part of the associated income, including car parking fees - I seem to recall that part of UWE's interest was that Rovers would actually construct the car parking area as part of the deal (without receiving any income therefrom).  

2 hours ago, GrahamC said:

Not surprised by the stadium news, there is someone behind the scenes (not The Mayor) who is hellbent on helping them out.

After all, who had a “stand” sponsored by Bristol Energy? Clue, it wasn’t us..

Isn't that the Deputy Mayor, a declared Rovers fan?

2 hours ago, Bristol Rob said:

As for the Fewers getting all excites about being able to drink pre match in the stadium to put cash back in to the club... wait until Wally notices that the lack of nearby pubs mean he can charge 7 quid a pint.

By the time any stadium gets built, alwaus assuming planning permission is granted, I suspect that £7 a pint will be considered a bargain!

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1 hour ago, weepywall said:

No way will they get permission for a new stadium in an inner city area these days.

With this Council, and the Mayors seeming love of 5* hotels and "partner funded" trips. Never say never.

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34 minutes ago, cheese said:

Well, I'm off down there now with my dog and to have a picnic with the family.  Might even have a game of French Cricket.

I think they play boob cricket, not french cricket and you must be brave to take a dog anywhere associated with the fewers. I assume but your picnic will include stale crisps and out of date Fanta.

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Im not sure I read that they would 'sell' the mem to the developer, more they would just hand it over to get use of the new stadium then the developer builds on the mem site, which has a covenant on it, at vast profit? They give away something they own to rent somewhere else at the beck and call of said developer. 

Sounds like an awful deal to me.

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12 minutes ago, Ska Junkie said:

Im not sure I read that they would 'sell' the mem to the developer, more they would just hand it over to get use of the new stadium then the developer builds on the mem site, which has a covenant on it, at vast profit? They give away something they own to rent somewhere else at the beck and call of said developer. 

Sounds like an awful deal to me.

It does say that; though at present it is only a in principle agreement.

From the Post article:

 

The deal does include the sale of the land at the Mem to the same developer which intends to revamp the fruit market, with the plans for that site off Gloucester Road to be turned into a residential development

 

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