In the Net Posted May 13, 2022 Report Share Posted May 13, 2022 4 hours ago, NcnsBcfc said: @In the Net many thanks for coming on the forum. I might not agree with all of your points, but it's good to have other rivals views on them anyhow. I have a question for you though. Do you think that Rovers getting promoted back to the league they were relegated from a year earlier is a "Massive Achievement"? For me, you were always one of the 3 biggest clubs in the division with probably a budget to match. With 4 Teams going up (still have no idea why) from L2, it is in essence one of the easier divisions to get out of. Isn't the "Massive Achievement", the fact that you were able to get promoted from the division after such a catastrophic 4 months that saw you at once stage 23rd in the bottom league of EFL, only 18 months or so, after being 3rd or 4th in the division above? So in essence you are back now where you were 2 seasons ago? For me, the "Massive Achievement" is how Barton has managed to transform the club and squad, from what it was when he got here. Yes, we are only back to where we were a couple of seasons ago, but he has changed the ethos and culture at the club, he's brought in some excellent backroom staff, changed a lot of the medical staff. Everything is so much more professional, and the players appreciate that, and have responded to it. The training methods are obviously working, once the effects of Covid had gone (some players were affected for quite a long period), you could see that the players energy levels were there for the whole 90 minutes - not something we've had before, and it was noticeable than most other teams were flagging in that last 10/15 minutes, which often gave us scoring opportunities. He's obviously got good contacts within the game for loans, so hopefully we'll get a couple of decent youngsters in to add to the squad. His man management appears to be good, which I know will surprise some people because of his reputation. I wouldn't expect people on here to listen to his interviews, but he did say in August/September that we probably wouldn't see the best of this squad until around Christmas, as it takes time for a whole re-build to gel, and get to know each other's games. He also said that he would get us promoted, and he instilled that belief in the players too. Apologies if this is a longer answer than you wanted! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In the Net Posted May 13, 2022 Report Share Posted May 13, 2022 4 hours ago, Bar BS3 said: Still less than our average then, in a promotion season for you and an utterly dire season for us. Thanks for pointing that out. I didn't point anything out in my post - I just provided information on a topic which is frequently discussed on here. I am under no illusions about the differences in the attendance between the two clubs - same as I can remember that your attendances were low when you were in the basement division. Those are the realities of football, and always will be, unless you're a Liverpool or Man Utd etc. Have to say, you seem rather salty this week, strange as we are of no significance to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In the Net Posted May 13, 2022 Report Share Posted May 13, 2022 5 hours ago, slartibartfast said: Can't have been worse than the mob that got you out of the league ? Close call, but I'd say the more recent mob have just shaded it in the wasters category. Barton also sussed out the CEO and Director of Football pretty quickly too, and standards are actually improving on that side of the club too - at long last. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In the Net Posted May 13, 2022 Report Share Posted May 13, 2022 6 hours ago, BS4 on Tour... said: What is the source of these numbers? Apologies, but nothing to say that you could have simply made them up ... thanks They're from one of the big websites, Transfer Market or something like that. You are somewhat grasping at straws to suggest that I may have made them up. You respond to quite a lot of my posts, so, obviously read what I write. I would have hoped you may have realised that I am a person of integrity, who always tries to take a balanced view of situations. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted May 13, 2022 Report Share Posted May 13, 2022 2 hours ago, In the Net said: I didn't point anything out in my post - I just provided information on a topic which is frequently discussed on here. I am under no illusions about the differences in the attendance between the two clubs - same as I can remember that your attendances were low when you were in the basement division. Those are the realities of football, and always will be, unless you're a Liverpool or Man Utd etc. Have to say, you seem rather salty this week, strange as we are of no significance to you. I'm not what you are talking about - you are always of significance, because as our city rivals I detest everything about your club. I have, however, posted that it's fair play to you for turning the season around and clinching promotion in the most dramatic of ways. I don't like that you've had success, but credit where its due. Now I'm just consoling myself with the fact that at least it's done & out of the way now, rather than it dragging on though the playoffs & you getting a big day out at Wembley.. I don't think that any lower league club can over celebrate the little bits of success that come our way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted May 13, 2022 Report Share Posted May 13, 2022 2 hours ago, In the Net said: They're from one of the big websites, Transfer Market or something like that. You are somewhat grasping at straws to suggest that I may have made them up. You respond to quite a lot of my posts, so, obviously read what I write. I would have hoped you may have realised that I am a person of integrity, who always tries to take a balanced view of situations. I simply pointed out that quoting a list of numbers without any mention of a source renders the list pretty meaningless and leaves you open to suggestions that you could have easily made up the numbers. If you found the info on a ‘big’ website you could have just provided a link to save having to type out the list yourself ... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wealwayseatcheese Posted May 13, 2022 Report Share Posted May 13, 2022 3 hours ago, In the Net said: Yes, according to Sky - they need to employ better researchers. I certainly was not "throwing a stone". Some people on here like to discuss the attendances, so I posted the info - without any comment added. I see that somebody has now posted the home attendances, which, likewise has started a discussion. Apologies if you found my post offensive in some way. No offence taken mate, my comment was somewhat tongue in cheek and perhaps I should have added the winking emoji 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted May 13, 2022 Report Share Posted May 13, 2022 9 hours ago, phantom said: Was easier just to look for the answer myself. I'm surprised at how low some of these crowds are Attendances might be low, bit some of theses clubs are selling a pretty good % of their capacity. Particularly Barrow, who seem to be allowing 400 people to sit on someone's lap. 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Geoff Posted May 13, 2022 Report Share Posted May 13, 2022 11 hours ago, BS4 on Tour... said: Of course I know he’s currently employed - that was a bizarre statement. You say Burnley would have no players if they were relegated? Really? They’d have zero players, every single player contracted to Burnley would simply leave???!!! ... and you say Burnley would have no money if they were relegated ... so the parachute payments would suddenly dissolve into nothingness leaving the clarets potless ...?! Oh dear ... Burnley have 15 players out of contract and will have to pay off a £65 million loan, immediately upon relegation ( meaning that as well as the ooc players Brownhill, Tarkowski, Pope will all be sold to pay the debt). Clearly they would have parachute payments but will be starting a complete rebuild. So you still think Chris Wilder would leave the relative comfort of Middlesbourough to manage Burnley. Oh Dear. That is truly Bizarre !! His CV has nothing to do with it. I was reacting to the betting odds and names of people on the list when I said there was no chance of Wilder rocking up at Turf Moor. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miah Dennehy Posted May 13, 2022 Report Share Posted May 13, 2022 19 hours ago, NcnsBcfc said: Only have to look at Sheff Wed, Ipswich, Charlton, Portsmouth, Sunderland (until possibly this year yet again....), Bolton. All decent sized teams that have been in the Championship in the last 5-10 years. All have struggled to get back there. Christ how many years did it take us in the early 2000's to get up? Being a 'big club' may well be part of the problem . Just because a club can pull in a big crowd , doesn't mean they are making any money. Turnover means next to **** all if you ain't making a profit and generally speaking these clubs have much higher overheads than smaller , better run clubs. Their fans have much higher expectations and there aren't too many owners and directors about who don't panic and start chucking money around they don't have, when the fanbase starts to have a go and damage their egos. Lansdown is one of the few who doesn't seem to panic, yet still comes in for criticism, for not being ambitious enough. I don't think Rovers will necessarily struggle because of the big boys in the division, in fact I wouldn't even give that a second thought. Rovers problem will be keeping the momentum with several key players from this campaign missing and a lack of funds to replace them. Joey won't be hanging around long if the adulation levels drop, that's for sure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miah Dennehy Posted May 13, 2022 Report Share Posted May 13, 2022 12 hours ago, BCFC11 said: You're correct you didn't, but I did. I wonder why we comment on your attendances so often? Maybe it's something to do with the over exaggeration your lot come up with every other week? Post voided for tautology. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miah Dennehy Posted May 13, 2022 Report Share Posted May 13, 2022 11 hours ago, Peter O Hanraha-hanrahan said: Yet another season where your average away attendance is lower than ours despite your fellow Gasheads desperate attempts to tell everyone how ‘embarrassing’ and ‘shocking’ our away support is... We didn’t win away for 6 months as well, which one of us has just had a promotion season?? Not having a go at you, I know you’re reasonable. The others though should keep their mouths shut. If wish we went into the paly offs now. We would have taken 50 odd thousand to Wembley and then our away figures would be higher than yours .:) 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter O Hanraha-hanrahan Posted May 13, 2022 Report Share Posted May 13, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Miah Dennehy said: Lansdown is one of the few who doesn't seem to panic, yet still comes in for criticism, for not being ambitious enough. I don't think Rovers will necessarily struggle because of the big boys in the division The people who criticise his ambition probably don’t understand the financial constraints we have and the need to comply with FFP or whatever it’s called now? Saying that I find most criticism is aimed at the way the club has been run in the last few years and some of the people brought in to do that. Looking at our financial situation those are valid criticisms. Im very cautious not to predict a year of struggle for Rovers next season as others have done. There are some massive clubs in L1 with many honours and years of top flight football between them but the top 3 this season were Wigan, Rotherham and MK Dons with Wycombe and Plymouth not too far behind. Edited May 13, 2022 by Peter O Hanraha-hanrahan 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miah Dennehy Posted May 13, 2022 Report Share Posted May 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, Peter O Hanraha-hanrahan said: The people who criticise his ambition probably understand the financial constraints we have and the need to comply with FFP or whatever it’s called now? Saying that I find most criticism is aimed at the way the club has been run in the last few years and some of the people brought in to do that. Looking at our financial situation those are valid criticisms. Im very cautious not to predict a year of struggle for Rovers next season as others have done. There are some massive clubs in L1 with many honours and years of top flight football between them but the top 3 this season were Wigan, Rotherham and MK Dons with Wycombe and Plymouth not too far behind. Exactly that, having a big history really doesn't amount too much when it comes to whether you will win games in the here and now. I suspect we are of a similar age and remember Wigan being a non league side, I have seen Rovers put 5 and 6 past them on more than one occasion. Yet now, despite falling out of the top two divisions, most would consider them a club likelier to succeed than someone like Sheffield Wednesday- or even Sunderland. Clubs, like may well established businesses, who sit on their laurels, tend to get what they deserve- **** all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter O Hanraha-hanrahan Posted May 13, 2022 Report Share Posted May 13, 2022 2 hours ago, Miah Dennehy said: Exactly that, having a big history really doesn't amount too much when it comes to whether you will win games in the here and now. I suspect we are of a similar age and remember Wigan being a non league side, I have seen Rovers put 5 and 6 past them on more than one occasion. Yet now, despite falling out of the top two divisions, most would consider them a club likelier to succeed than someone like Sheffield Wednesday- or even Sunderland. Clubs, like may well established businesses, who sit on their laurels, tend to get what they deserve- **** all. I do not remember Wigan as a non league side. How very dare you. Gas on the other hand.... 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gert Mare Posted May 13, 2022 Report Share Posted May 13, 2022 15 hours ago, In the Net said: Some of you on here seem to love attendance stats, so here you go:- Averages of Away Support in League Two 1. GAS - 1,040 2. Bradford - 921 3. Tranmere - 853 4. Swindon - 845 5. Mansfield - 845 6. Port Vale - 832 7. Oldham - 785 8. Northampton - 611 9. Exeter - 605 10. Walsall - 531 11. Carlisle - 514 12. Hartlepool - 504 13. Leyton Orient - 492 14. Newport - 490 15. Rochdale - 480 16. Barrow - 291 17. Colchester - 290 18. Sutton - 242 19. Forest Green - 227 20. Scunthorpe - 226 21. Salford - 173 22. Harrogate - 168 23. Crawley - 159 24. Stevenage - 155 I think Rovers were 3rd in the home attendance stats, Swindon were 2nd @Shaun Taylor Yep, and literally overheard a Gashead yesterday saying that Rovers get 10,000 at home and take 2,000 away. Home attendance over-exaggerated by 2,500 Away attendance over-exaggerated by 1,000 #gaslogic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NcnsBcfc Posted May 13, 2022 Report Share Posted May 13, 2022 8 hours ago, In the Net said: For me, the "Massive Achievement" is how Barton has managed to transform the club and squad, from what it was when he got here. Yes, we are only back to where we were a couple of seasons ago, but he has changed the ethos and culture at the club, he's brought in some excellent backroom staff, changed a lot of the medical staff. Everything is so much more professional, and the players appreciate that, and have responded to it. The training methods are obviously working, once the effects of Covid had gone (some players were affected for quite a long period), you could see that the players energy levels were there for the whole 90 minutes - not something we've had before, and it was noticeable than most other teams were flagging in that last 10/15 minutes, which often gave us scoring opportunities. He's obviously got good contacts within the game for loans, so hopefully we'll get a couple of decent youngsters in to add to the squad. His man management appears to be good, which I know will surprise some people because of his reputation. I wouldn't expect people on here to listen to his interviews, but he did say in August/September that we probably wouldn't see the best of this squad until around Christmas, as it takes time for a whole re-build to gel, and get to know each other's games. He also said that he would get us promoted, and he instilled that belief in the players too. Apologies if this is a longer answer than you wanted! Thank you, great response. Interesting summer for Rovers, huge turnover in staff again; manager of course linked with other jobs; and playing in a league where the standard is a huge increase on last season. I think Barton can't afford to have a poor start, like last season though. The ability to rise Phoenix like, will be so much harder. We've been fortunate in the past 2 seasons to have pretty solid starts. Which has laid the groundwork for Operation survival at times. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NcnsBcfc Posted May 13, 2022 Report Share Posted May 13, 2022 2 hours ago, Peter O Hanraha-hanrahan said: The people who criticise his ambition probably don’t understand the financial constraints we have and the need to comply with FFP or whatever it’s called now? Saying that I find most criticism is aimed at the way the club has been run in the last few years and some of the people brought in to do that. Looking at our financial situation those are valid criticisms. Im very cautious not to predict a year of struggle for Rovers next season as others have done. There are some massive clubs in L1 with many honours and years of top flight football between them but the top 3 this season were Wigan, Rotherham and MK Dons with Wycombe and Plymouth not too far behind. 100% @Peter O Hanraha-hanrahan I've spoken about this on the podcast numerous times. City are not "skint", or in financial difficulty that would lead to fire sale of players. What we are, is at the threshold of the current FFP system due to decisions made 3 years ago. People that complain about Lansdown not putting money in, fail to understand that he is already at the limit of what he can invest/loan. What he did do though is oversee an unsustainable level of operating costs, and wages; and for that he does have to accept some culpability. After the Sports Quarter I can see the Lansdowns bailing out. That is their legacy though, so i think they're here for a few years yet. Hopefully the FFP will be revised this summer (as per RG's comments). If not, we may have to make some hard financial decisions, or cut playing budgets accordingly. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted May 13, 2022 Report Share Posted May 13, 2022 1 hour ago, NcnsBcfc said: After the Sports Quarter I can see the Lansdowns bailing out. That is their legacy though, so i think they're here for a few years yet. Hopefully the FFP will be revised this summer (as per RG's comments). If not, we may have to make some hard financial decisions, or cut playing budgets accordingly. I think their intention is to still own a stake, but bring in a co-owner (or co-owners). I think they will take a back seat in the running of the club. Even more so than now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In the Net Posted May 13, 2022 Report Share Posted May 13, 2022 1 hour ago, Gert Mare said: Yep, and literally overheard a Gashead yesterday saying that Rovers get 10,000 at home and take 2,000 away. Home attendance over-exaggerated by 2,500 Away attendance over-exaggerated by 1,000 #gaslogic Oh well, it wasn't me! You'll always get some folk who live in cloud cuckoo land, and believe everthing they read, or what their mate tells them down the pub. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In the Net Posted May 13, 2022 Report Share Posted May 13, 2022 6 hours ago, BS4 on Tour... said: I simply pointed out that quoting a list of numbers without any mention of a source renders the list pretty meaningless and leaves you open to suggestions that you could have easily made up the numbers. If you found the info on a ‘big’ website you could have just provided a link to save having to type out the list yourself ... I didn't re-type it myself, copied it from somebody else, and they named the site they got it from. You're quite right, I should have cited the source for authenticity. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slartibartfast Posted May 13, 2022 Report Share Posted May 13, 2022 1 minute ago, In the Net said: I didn't re-type it myself, copied it from somebody else, and they named the site they got it from. You're quite right, I should have cited the source for authenticity. Yes, naughty girl ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In the Net Posted May 13, 2022 Report Share Posted May 13, 2022 6 hours ago, Bar BS3 said: I'm not what you are talking about - you are always of significance, because as our city rivals I detest everything about your club. I have, however, posted that it's fair play to you for turning the season around and clinching promotion in the most dramatic of ways. I don't like that you've had success, but credit where its due. Now I'm just consoling myself with the fact that at least it's done & out of the way now, rather than it dragging on though the playoffs & you getting a big day out at Wembley.. I don't think that any lower league club can over celebrate the little bits of success that come our way. Thank you for citing that our two clubs do have something in common! 1 minute ago, slartibartfast said: Yes, naughty girl ! I'm typing this from the naughty step! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AppyDAZE Posted May 13, 2022 Report Share Posted May 13, 2022 1 minute ago, In the Net said: Thank you for citing that our two clubs do have something in common! The only thing we have in common with that lot is we are from the same city, which they like to refer to as a town. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazooka Joe Posted May 13, 2022 Report Share Posted May 13, 2022 4 minutes ago, In the Net said: I didn't re-type it myself, copied it from somebody else, and they named the site they got it from. You're quite right, I should have cited the source for authenticity. Much more reliable than authentirovers. 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slartibartfast Posted May 13, 2022 Report Share Posted May 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, AppyDAZE said: The only thing we have in common with that lot is we are from the same city, which they like to refer to as a town. They do that simply because their crowds are so crap, they are embarrassed to call it a city ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted May 13, 2022 Report Share Posted May 13, 2022 10 hours ago, In the Net said: They're from one of the big websites, Transfer Market or something like that. You are somewhat grasping at straws to suggest that I may have made them up. You respond to quite a lot of my posts, so, obviously read what I write. I would have hoped you may have realised that I am a person of integrity, who always tries to take a balanced view of situations. I did a bit of digging as I was intrigued and the list you posted for away followings in league two was from the ‘Bristol World’ website - not one of the ‘big’ ones I’d suggest - and that same website reported that the Rovers vs Scunthorpe match “sold out in one minute” - did it even sell out at all?! May not be the most reliable source of info ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In the Net Posted May 13, 2022 Report Share Posted May 13, 2022 54 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said: I did a bit of digging as I was intrigued and the list you posted for away followings in league two was from the ‘Bristol World’ website - not one of the ‘big’ ones I’d suggest - and that same website reported that the Rovers vs Scunthorpe match “sold out in one minute” - did it even sell out at all?! May not be the most reliable source of info ... Ah, bugger - that'll teach me for not doing my own research! Thanks for letting me know, I'll have to keep my eyes peeled for something more reliable! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter O Hanraha-hanrahan Posted May 13, 2022 Report Share Posted May 13, 2022 12 minutes ago, In the Net said: Ah, bugger - that'll teach me for not doing my own research! Thanks for letting me know, I'll have to keep my eyes peeled for something more reliable! That doesn’t mean it’s incorrect as they’ve probably got it from somewhere else anyway, there’s all sorts of Twitter pages that figure these things out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miah Dennehy Posted May 13, 2022 Report Share Posted May 13, 2022 2 hours ago, BS4 on Tour... said: I did a bit of digging as I was intrigued and the list you posted for away followings in league two was from the ‘Bristol World’ website - not one of the ‘big’ ones I’d suggest - and that same website reported that the Rovers vs Scunthorpe match “sold out in one minute” - did it even sell out at all?! May not be the most reliable source of info ... Yes, it did sell out. The 'sold out in one minute' refers to the extra 500 that went on sale a couple of days before the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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