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1 hour ago, Son of Fred said:

Along with King not looking "all that"(as best days are gone 'in the extreme sense) I'd ask are some on this forum experiencing first doubts about Nigel himself??

Could it not as possible be a situation of similar scenario for him?

The issue is that, when MA bolted - I assume his scouting team went with him?

Outside of himself as a manager, NP has a track record of being a great delegator (appointed said individuals also).

The only other roles hes had where he had no say in his coaching staff were Watford and Derby.

The big strength of his time at Leicester was the backroom he helped set up, i.e. Rennie, Walsh, Shakespeare, convincing Stowell to stay on, etc.

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1 minute ago, Fuber said:

The issue is that, when MA bolted - I assume his scouting team went with him?

Outside of himself as a manager, NP has a track record of being a great delegator (appointed said individuals also).

The only other roles hes had where he had no say in his coaching staff were Watford and Derby.

The big strength of his time at Leicester was the backroom he helped set up, i.e. Rennie, Walsh, Shakespeare, convincing Stowell to stay on, etc.

Ashton had already decimated the human scouting side over a period of time….imho to mean he had less challenge on the players that came through data analytics funnel.  So very little true player watching, just video and data.  The man “heading up” that team (3 others in that team) is Sean Gilhespy, who’s still here.  Gilhespy’s reputation isn’t great, but you’d imagine Nige has more than enough contacts to get an external view of any recruitment targets that Gilhespy might come up with.

Simpson, James and King - all very well known to him = no Gilhespy input required.

Baker and Weimann - already here, worked with Weimann shortly at Derby = no Gilhespy input required

Rob Atkinson - you don’t need data and analytics to work out he was one of the top Lg1 CBs, and if you want someone who can play, he’d be right up there.  Plus Nige just needed a reference from his Oxford CB partner, Elliott Moore, who Pearson knew from Leicester and had at Leuven = no / little Gilhespy input required

Ok, that’s a very biased view, without fact, but OTIB can judge themselves whether they think there’s some truth in it.

Gregor has written a few times that Gilhespy has got on well with Nige….and that might be so.  Then again he’s not gonna say he’s rubbish is he?

Lets see what happens by the end of Aug, and then in January, to see whether the current Analytical Recruitment Team are having much input.  I think at some point beyond this window we will see a change of structure in recruitment.  Not sure that will be a full blown HoR / DoF, but with Walsh’s work done as consultant at Charlotte FC, we might see his name mentioned again.  Timing was not good for this summer.

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3 minutes ago, Tangle Foot said:

As far as I’m concerned, it has to be Palmer to start against Blackpool. With Scott ready to come on off the bench.

COYR.

Yep no rush with scott and he would be a nightmare to defend last 20 min against tired legs. Start him in the cup and use him as an impact sub for now. The season is long and he will get opportunities to start. We don’t have to be ultra cautious but we also do not have to flog him. 

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1 hour ago, RedRock said:

Must admit having followed City around the Country for 55 odd years, that rugby is increasingly becoming a threat to my football allegiance. Fortunate though to have a multiple of interests that provides a very positive outlook of my life, so need to fret.

Didn’t notice Foden and Grealish playing much recently mind, must have blinked. 
 

Anyhow, high hopes of Nige sorting out the snowflakes in our squad and getting back to more aggressive, positive and expansive performances after the derge served up by LJ. 

I think Nige has sorted out the snowflakes, the ones who didn’t fancy playing and/or busting a for for the thousands of pounds per week. He got rid of them. You might say Baker being the exception depending on your opinion.

If you enjoy rugby more now then that’s the way it is. I wouldn’t ever prefer rugby personally although I do understand how the result at all costs counter attacking football of Lee Johnson means that we have lost supporters who will take some persuading to come back (my argument is that if the result is the be all and end all then I’ll buy a Sunday paper rather than shell out for a season ticket).

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21 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

I think Nige has sorted out the snowflakes, the ones who didn’t fancy playing and/or busting a for for the thousands of pounds per week. He got rid of them. You might say Baker being the exception depending on your opinion.

If you enjoy rugby more now then that’s the way it is. I wouldn’t ever prefer rugby personally although I do understand how the result at all costs counter attacking football of Lee Johnson means that we have lost supporters who will take some persuading to come back (my argument is that if the result is the be all and end all then I’ll buy a Sunday paper rather than shell out for a season ticket).

Allegedly Rennie has got to the bottom of Baker’s injury issues, got his head in the right space too.  I thought he had a decent game yesterday.

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1 minute ago, Davefevs said:

Allegedly Rennie has got to the bottom of Baker’s injury issues, got his head in the right space too.  I thought he had a decent game yesterday.

Agreed.


Be interesting to see what happens with Kalas over the next month.....still think he could be the one we sell in order to fund the striker Nige wants....

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5 minutes ago, Loosey Boy said:

Agreed.


Be interesting to see what happens with Kalas over the next month.....still think he could be the one we sell in order to fund the striker Nige wants....

FWIW I’m not sure we could sell Kalas and afford a striker who make up for in goals scored what we might lose in  more goals conceded.

I also can’t think of a striker that would come in at a price with enough of a differential to make it worthwhile….considering you’d need to replace Kalas too.

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9 minutes ago, Loosey Boy said:

Agreed.


Be interesting to see what happens with Kalas over the next month.....still think he could be the one we sell in order to fund the striker Nige wants....

I thought it a bit strange that Kalas didn't come off the Bench for a few mins yesterday.

Baker & Atkinson just merely swapped from LCB to RCB repeatedly in the second half.

I think they're the centre back pairing starting against Blackpool next week.

Whether that means Kalas is off is open to interpretation of course. However he has two years left on his contract, amd if we sold him for anything less than £4m; i'm guessing his amortization would make any financial gain negligible.

Have i got that right @Davefevs?

Any sale at this stage, would also leave us a little light at CB. In a difficult transfer market trying to find a replacement after the season has actually started.

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5 minutes ago, NcnsBcfc said:

I thought it a bit strange that Kalas didn't come off the Bench for a few mins yesterday.

Baker & Atkinson just merely swapped from LCB to RCB repeatedly in the second half.

I think they're the centre back pairing starting against Blackpool next week.

Whether that means Kalas is off is open to interpretation of course. However he has two years left on his contract, amd if we sold him for anything less than £4m; i'm guessing his amortization would make any financial gain negligible.

Have i got that right @Davefevs?

Any sale at this stage, would also leave us a little light at CB. In a difficult transfer market trying to find a replacement after the season has actually started.

Agree I found it very strange that Kalas was not involved. Baker and Atkinson would be fit for next week if either just got 45, surely.

If Kalas is sold then that is fine, as it means we have money to reinvest. He's at an age where we won't get much more of a fee in the future than what we would now. Plus it would be one of the highest earners leaving, and Nige has said he wants players earning more of a similar wage, i'd say that is probably more like 10-12k a week than 20-25k.

Obviously the question is then who do we replace him with. It would have to be Moore and Cundy for now as back up. Cundy is injured and hopefully returning soon, but not even sure if he's going to still be here himself.

We'd likely have to look to bring in a new CB. I am not sure that will be easy late in the window.

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2 hours ago, Davefevs said:

Ashton had already decimated the human scouting side over a period of time….imho to mean he had less challenge on the players that came through data analytics funnel.  So very little true player watching, just video and data.  The man “heading up” that team (3 others in that team) is Sean Gilhespy, who’s still here.  Gilhespy’s reputation isn’t great, but you’d imagine Nige has more than enough contacts to get an external view of any recruitment targets that Gilhespy might come up with.

Simpson, James and King - all very well known to him = no Gilhespy input required.

Baker and Weimann - already here, worked with Weimann shortly at Derby = no Gilhespy input required

Rob Atkinson - you don’t need data and analytics to work out he was one of the top Lg1 CBs, and if you want someone who can play, he’d be right up there.  Plus Nige just needed a reference from his Oxford CB partner, Elliott Moore, who Pearson knew from Leicester and had at Leuven = no / little Gilhespy input required

Ok, that’s a very biased view, without fact, but OTIB can judge themselves whether they think there’s some truth in it.

Gregor has written a few times that Gilhespy has got on well with Nige….and that might be so.  Then again he’s not gonna say he’s rubbish is he?

Lets see what happens by the end of Aug, and then in January, to see whether the current Analytical Recruitment Team are having much input.  I think at some point beyond this window we will see a change of structure in recruitment.  Not sure that will be a full blown HoR / DoF, but with Walsh’s work done as consultant at Charlotte FC, we might see his name mentioned again.  Timing was not good for this summer.

That is an incredibly biased opinion, almost as though you have a personal dislike/vendetta against the guy!

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31 minutes ago, JonDolman said:

Agree I found it very strange that Kalas was not involved. Baker and Atkinson would be fit for next week if either just got 45, surely.

If Kalas is sold then that is fine, as it means we have money to reinvest. He's at an age where we won't get much more of a fee in the future than what we would now. Plus it would be one of the highest earners leaving, and Nige has said he wants players earning more of a similar wage, i'd say that is probably more like 10-12k a week than 20-25k.

Obviously the question is then who do we replace him with. It would have to be Moore and Cundy for now as back up. Cundy is injured and hopefully returning soon, but not even sure if he's going to still be here himself.

We'd likely have to look to bring in a new CB. I am not sure that will be easy late in the window.

Could it not simply be that we’re managing his pre-season, given his involvement in the Euros??

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22 minutes ago, JonDolman said:

Agree I found it very strange that Kalas was not involved. Baker and Atkinson would be fit for next week if either just got 45, surely.

If Kalas is sold then that is fine, as it means we have money to reinvest. He's at an age where we won't get much more of a fee in the future than what we would now. Plus it would be one of the highest earners leaving, and Nige has said he wants players earning more of a similar wage, i'd say that is probably more like 10-12k a week than 20-25k.

Obviously the question is then who do we replace him with. It would have to be Moore and Cundy for now as back up. Cundy is injured and hopefully returning soon, but not even sure if he's going to still be here himself.

We'd likely have to look to bring in a new CB. I am not sure that will be easy late in the window.

I thought Kalas could have had 45 minutes as well but the Euros may also be taken into account.

But unless he is off somewhere, he'll be starting imo with either Baker or Atkinson dropping to the bench. A behind doors 90 minute training match could be arranged during the week if needed to get some players up to speed including Kalas if necessary. Massengo and Williams could also benefit from that.

 But for me, its hopefully a Kalas and Baker pairing.

 

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1 minute ago, Kid in the Riot said:

Brighton are having a look. Whether it materialises into a bid, we shall see. 

What does everyone think Brighton would be willing to pay ? 
 

just got a good chunk of money for white so surely we could get a good price but if Kalas is determined to leave can’t really stop him

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Just now, Alessandro said:

Could it not simply be that we’re managing his pre-season, given his involvement in the Euros??

If he got just 45 or even 30, then yes. But he didnt even come off the bench. I think its very possible clubs may be interested and we are looking to protect him.

 

8 minutes ago, bcfc01 said:

I thought Kalas could have had 45 minutes as well but the Euros may also be taken into account.

But unless he is off somewhere, he'll be starting imo with either Baker or Atkinson dropping to the bench. A behind doors 90 minute training match could be arranged during the week if needed to get some players up to speed including Kalas if necessary. Massengo and Williams could also benefit from that.

 But for me, its hopefully a Kalas and Baker pairing.

 

I'd definitely have Kalas in the side. But I also think it makes sense to sell if we get a good fee.

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27 minutes ago, frenchred said:

That is an incredibly biased opinion, almost as though you have a personal dislike/vendetta against the guy!

No personal dislike / vendetta, just a strong opinion based on my view of his performance here in 5+ years.  Met him twice, spoke to him once, and the situation probably meant he was the proverbial spare part (insert other word) at a wedding, so it’s not personal.  But recruitment, re-contracting and financial performance particularly were well under par for a man early £500k+ p.a. And leaving the current regime in a poor place.  That’s where my opinion comes from.

10 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

Brighton are having a look. Whether it materialises into a bid, we shall see. 

Tell them we will have Østigård to replace him.

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1 minute ago, JonDolman said:

If he got just 45 or even 30, then yes. But he didnt even come off the bench. I think its very possible clubs may be interested and we are looking to protect him.

 

I'd definitely have Kalas in the side. But I also think it makes sense to sell if we get a good fee.

Could fund the striker Nigel wants if he thinks Atkinson/Baker would be good enough for the season

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11 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

Brighton are having a look. Whether it materialises into a bid, we shall see. 

Makes sense as Kalas and Webster certainly formed possibly the best CB partnership i've seen in 40 years at the gate. Their styles really complimented each other.

Could possibly boil down to what our position is over a transfer fee. In the current market, we would need to be sensible if we wanted to move Kalas on.

I know Brighton are flush with the White money, but they will want to not over pay either.

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19 minutes ago, bcfc01 said:

I thought Kalas could have had 45 minutes as well but the Euros may also be taken into account.

But unless he is off somewhere, he'll be starting imo with either Baker or Atkinson dropping to the bench. A behind doors 90 minute training match could be arranged during the week if needed to get some players up to speed including Kalas if necessary. Massengo and Williams could also benefit from that.

 But for me, its hopefully a Kalas and Baker pairing.

 

The strange thing for me is that if Kalas is going to be a starting CB against Blackpool, then he hasn't started a single game in pre season with either of his potential partners in Atkinson or Baker.

Not ideal  and for me the way NP was swapping Atkinson & Baker second half from right to left, and back again; showed that they are starting together. Otherwise that would have been the time to introduce Kalas.

 

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7 minutes ago, Lrrr said:

Could fund the striker Nigel wants if he thinks Atkinson/Baker would be good enough for the season

Yep. Might need a centre back too.

 

2 minutes ago, INCRED said:

Clarke & £4m will suit us!

Clarke is on loan at WBA. If Brighton are trying to sign Kalas then maybe Ostigard here on loan? Would save a lot in wages with Kalas gone, would have a transfer fee to reinvest in a striker, and Ostigard looks like a younger version of Kalas. Same height, quick and strong and gets up so well for someone who isn't partculalry tall for a centre back.

I remember Kalas and Webster playing superbly well against Potter's Swansea at the Gate. Maybe Webster and Kalas looking so good together for us is a part of the reason Potter is interested.

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23 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

Brighton are having a look. Whether it materialises into a bid, we shall see. 

Not ITK but would not be surprise at all if Kalas is being sold.  Nothing has been said about the Captaincy issue and he didn't play at all yesterday but made to sit on the bench.

He is (apparently) the highest earner at the club, "fell" out with NP at the end of last season and we would get a decent fee (in Covid times) for him.

The obvious way to generate a transfer kitty.

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19 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

No personal dislike / vendetta, just a strong opinion based on my view of his performance here in 5+ years.  Met him twice, spoke to him once, and the situation probably meant he was the proverbial spare part (insert other word) at a wedding, so it’s not personal.  But recruitment, re-contracting and financial performance particularly were well under par for a man early £500k+ p.a. And leaving the current regime in a poor place.  That’s where my opinion comes from.

Are you talking about Ashton or Gillespie?

I was referring to your points against Gillespie but your £500k+ p.a. threw me

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