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3 hours ago, JoeAman08 said:

I think it is refreshing. Does not matter how much you went for or how much you are on. You get picked on merit in NP opinion. I really like Kalas but we bought him after a fantastic season next to Webster. He hasn’t been close to that since Webster left. Kalas needs to up his game. 

With amortisation, it is a lot easier to break even or show a small profit. If we bought for 8m on a 4 year deal that is a 2m a season plus wages. He is halfway through that so if we sold for 4m that would cover the 2m a season plus we get the big wages off the books. That is the simplistic version of it not 100% accurate but an example. Yes it looks like a 4m loss but we also got 2 years of play and that costs. 
 

Would leave us lightish. Still have Vyner, Moore and Cundy. Probably wouldn’t like to rely on them for a large portion of the season but capable in short spells with Cundy perhaps being a wildcard. Plus only need to get to January in a bad situation where we can look at a loan there. Just don’t think we would desperately need one in if Kalas went. 

@JoeAman08

Very balanced comments and I have totally changed my opinion of Kalas since the start of last season.

Whilst he had a big ball winner alongside, he looked a class too high for City's level. At international level he appears to be a good defender which could be exaggerated by those alongside and in front of him.

However, last season, our defence became a farcical imitation. No more togetherness than a team of seven year olds. We had a keeper who rarely moved off his line - not a problem or a change from preceding years.

It was how all around Kalas were doing. I began to notice that 95% of the time it was Kalas going for the cross, in the air or on the ground.

Initially I thought, he was working so hard to lead our defence. But over a period, it came to me that because of this, the shape of the defence did not exist. Colleagues were just getting out of the way for Kalas to get to the ball, creating panic clearances as the norm rather than once in the game.

I'm not trying to be clever after the event as I'm sure others on here with coaching and playing experience greater than mine, saw it also.

Could this be why Pearson is, apparently, not making Kalas as first name on the team sheet?

Is it Pearson's way of getting him to change the way he plays for us? Or is he being encouraged to play his football elsewhere?

 

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26 minutes ago, Mendip City said:

I think the Kalas thing is simple. We need to generate some money. At the end of last season we’d have struggled to get our money back. Now we should get back what we paid… maybe more.  He’s also the biggest earner I believe. I think NP is just planning around our most sellable asset rather than planning with him. 
Of course that’s all guess work and I could be completely wrong! 

It's a decent theory - I suppose it may be transfer-orientated.

However, the main issues I see with that approach are:

A) Even if NP does want to sell Kalas, we need a club who wants to buy him. As far as I'm aware, there hasn't been many rumours to suggest that this is the case.

B) If (A) is accurate and we're not confident of our ability to sell Kalas, you'd imagine NP's thinking may be close to "If we can't sell him, we should use him". It seems very early to sideline Kalas unless we're very confident that we will sell.

C) If we sold Kalas, we'd certainly need to replace him (very well). To fully justify the sale, we'd likely also need to sign a striker using some portion of the funds. Hence, if the plan is to sell Kalas, then we'd need to have identified good targets at CB and ST, be very confident of getting them, and be able to move fast (given that we'll start playing competitive games in a few days). It would feel risky losing such a key player this close to the start of the season.

I'm not sure that trying to sell Kalas is the route that we are/should be going down.

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6 minutes ago, DaveF said:

I'm confident for a decent season, I think if Pearson gets his wish of aggressive play then we will be entertaining to watch.

"If" Pearson gets his wish - a big IF, that one.

I agree it would make us more entertaining to watch but Matty James can't do it all by himself.

Vyner, Dasilva, Moore, O'Dowda, Palmer, Nagy, Bakinson - passive, passive, passive. We have no forwards to physically dominate opponents, either.

This makes me less than confident that Pearson has enough players made of the right stuff to implement the style he wants.

Williams and Massengo will help James in the middle of the park but goodness only knows when the former will be ready for 90 minutes of football, never mind Sat-Tues-Sat.  

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4 minutes ago, cidered abroad said:

@JoeAman08

Very balanced comments and I have totally changed my opinion of Kalas since the start of last season.

Whilst he had a big ball winner alongside, he looked a class too high for City's level. At international level he appears to be a good defender which could be exaggerated by those alongside and in front of him.

However, last season, our defence became a farcical imitation. No more togetherness than a team of seven year olds. We had a keeper who rarely moved off his line - not a problem or a change from preceding years.

It was how all around Kalas were doing. I began to notice that 95% of the time it was Kalas going for the cross, in the air or on the ground.

Initially I thought, he was working so hard to lead our defence. But over a period, it came to me that because of this, the shape of the defence did not exist. Colleagues were just getting out of the way for Kalas to get to the ball, creating panic clearances as the norm rather than once in the game.

I'm not trying to be clever after the event as I'm sure others on here with coaching and playing experience greater than mine, saw it also.

Could this be why Pearson is, apparently, not making Kalas as first name on the team sheet?

Is it Pearson's way of getting him to change the way he plays for us? Or is he being encouraged to play his football elsewhere?

 

Not trying to be too clever at all. I have always questioned his stance when he jumps for a header which caused him an injury for a month last season when he went flying out of control needlessly for a header. Also did the same vs Rotherham in April and had to come off. 

I don't think he performed that badly, he gets infront of the ball very well, but sometimes his decision to go for headers and tackles are way off the mark, sometimes reckless.

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4 hours ago, VT05763 said:

He is very much in the "Ferguson role" does very little of the actual day to day coaching. Observes from a distance, dips in when he feels the need and has a lot of 1 to 1 chats with players to the side.

Certainly couldn't accuse him of over coaching.

Just for clarification as I’ve been quoted a couple of times here, this is me replicating what NP said, not my POV. Sorry should have put it in quotation marks! 

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3 hours ago, JoeAman08 said:

I think it is refreshing. Does not matter how much you went for or how much you are on. You get picked on merit in NP opinion. I really like Kalas but we bought him after a fantastic season next to Webster. He hasn’t been close to that since Webster left. Kalas needs to up his game. 

With amortisation, it is a lot easier to break even or show a small profit. If we bought for 8m on a 4 year deal that is a 2m a season plus wages. He is halfway through that so if we sold for 4m that would cover the 2m a season plus we get the big wages off the books. That is the simplistic version of it not 100% accurate but an example. Yes it looks like a 4m loss but we also got 2 years of play and that costs. 
 

Would leave us lightish. Still have Vyner, Moore and Cundy. Probably wouldn’t like to rely on them for a large portion of the season but capable in short spells with Cundy perhaps being a wildcard. Plus only need to get to January in a bad situation where we can look at a loan there. Just don’t think we would desperately need one in if Kalas went. 

If you accept Kalas leaving and Vyner as a CB cover., then you need another RB instead.  You can’t go in with one RB - Simpson.  If Kalas goes to fund a striker, it has to fund a defender as well.

I can’t imagine Nige wants Kalas to go, but I get worried when Kid says Brighton are looking….but if they are, chances are we will get a sizeable fee.  I don’t want him to go though.

1 hour ago, Supersonic Robin said:

I'm all for players starting based on merit rather than price tag, however this may be a bit harsh on Kalas.

TK was excellent last season, and IMHO joins Bentley the exclusive group of players who can be said to have "saved us" in 2020/21. I don't think Kalas could have upped his game much more realistically. He then continued that form through the Euros. 

I think it would be near impossible to make the argument that Baker should be picked ahead of Kalas based on performances/'merit' over the last 12 months.

Perhaps NP is inclined to start Baker since Kalas was late returning to pre-season, but I'd be fairly surprised if Kalas isn't first choice in the long-run.

With Nige, the last 12 months are irrelevant, the last few months of last season might be, but undoubtedly pre-season is the basis for this season.  It could be as simple as Wells, Nagy and Kalas coming back late means they’re behind the others, and it appears that being fit (and robust) is key.  He’s taken no risks with Joe Williams or Han-Noah Massengo this summer….he’s thinking about a gruelling season.

Nagy did make Loughborough, so he might be fine, but TK and NW might be playing catch up.  Baker and Atkinson have had chance to build minutes together, form a pairing.  He sounds like he really likes Baker.  A fit Baker (yeah, yeah, we know the past) is a top half defender at this level.  If he’s been “fixed” by Rennie, then that’s fantastic.

Gonna be a nervy few weeks….

36 minutes ago, TomThumb84 said:

May have been covered off already in this thread so apologies if it has;

If we had handled the situation better with more focus, professionalism and care with regards to players nearing end of contract, then we would not be where we are financially.

Crude maths and maybe over-simplifying it, but if we had sold Diedhiou for half of what we bought him for, and the same with Liam Walsh, in January, where we spoke nonsense and realistically had no clue who would and would not sign or stay, then Nige may have had an extra £3m knocking about for a striker.

Good job we got “value on the pitch” from the two players mentioned, alongside a host of others where there was no return on investment, in pounds and pence OR performance.

Unfortunately, this season, we are going to all - including Nigel Pearson - “reap what others have sown”, and hopefully it is enough to consolidate this year.

It still amazes me that under the cloak of Covid, our club almost completely imploded, starting in the boardroom. From a position of “Top 6” is the aim and the least, we are now looking to youth and “offering hope for the future”.

Negligence is the word.  I think someone’s mind was on East Anglia.  Left Pearson with a difficult situation which he’s trying to repair.  Not an easy task.

13 minutes ago, cidered abroad said:

@JoeAman08

Very balanced comments and I have totally changed my opinion of Kalas since the start of last season.

Whilst he had a big ball winner alongside, he looked a class too high for City's level. At international level he appears to be a good defender which could be exaggerated by those alongside and in front of him.

However, last season, our defence became a farcical imitation. No more togetherness than a team of seven year olds. We had a keeper who rarely moved off his line - not a problem or a change from preceding years.

It was how all around Kalas were doing. I began to notice that 95% of the time it was Kalas going for the cross, in the air or on the ground.

Initially I thought, he was working so hard to lead our defence. But over a period, it came to me that because of this, the shape of the defence did not exist. Colleagues were just getting out of the way for Kalas to get to the ball, creating panic clearances as the norm rather than once in the game.

I'm not trying to be clever after the event as I'm sure others on here with coaching and playing experience greater than mine, saw it also.

Could this be why Pearson is, apparently, not making Kalas as first name on the team sheet?

Is it Pearson's way of getting him to change the way he plays for us? Or is he being encouraged to play his football elsewhere?

 

Our defence last season played 6 minutes together in its preferred 3 of Vyner, Kalas, Mawson….against Northampton in the cup, before Kalas got injured.  Then Mawson v Boro.  Moore got played LCB, even Tommy Rowe played there.

In fact I doubt that was the preferred 3….Mawson, Kalas, Baker was it.  It never played.

To lay partial blame at Kalas’s door is incredibly harsh.

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1 hour ago, Big C said:

Could it be just a case that after Kalas's stint at the Euros NP has had longer to work with Atkinson and Baker over the summer and may be more up to speed in the early weeks?

All will be revealed soon, the clues were in the interview when asked another specific question

I was impressed with how GT reacted to NP stern answers, not heard anyone else stand up to his terse manner

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1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

If you accept Kalas leaving and Vyner as a CB cover., then you need another RB instead.  You can’t go in with one RB - Simpson.  If Kalas goes to fund a striker, it has to fund a defender as well.

I can’t imagine Nige wants Kalas to go, but I get worried when Kid says Brighton are looking….but if they are, chances are we will get a sizeable fee.  I don’t want him to go though.

With Nige, the last 12 months are irrelevant, the last few months of last season might be, but undoubtedly pre-season is the basis for this season.  It could be as simple as Wells, Nagy and Kalas coming back late means they’re behind the others, and it appears that being fit (and robust) is key.  He’s taken no risks with Joe Williams or Han-Noah Massengo this summer….he’s thinking about a gruelling season.

Nagy did make Loughborough, so he might be fine, but TK and NW might be playing catch up.  Baker and Atkinson have had chance to build minutes together, form a pairing.  He sounds like he really likes Baker.  A fit Baker (yeah, yeah, we know the past) is a top half defender at this level.  If he’s been “fixed” by Rennie, then that’s fantastic.

Gonna be a nervy few weeks….

Negligence is the word.  I think someone’s mind was on East Anglia.  Left Pearson with a difficult situation which he’s trying to repair.  Not an easy task.

Our defence last season played 6 minutes together in its preferred 3 of Vyner, Kalas, Mawson….against Northampton in the cup, before Kalas got injured.  Then Mawson v Boro.  Moore got played LCB, even Tommy Rowe played there.

In fact I doubt that was the preferred 3….Mawson, Kalas, Baker was it.  It never played.

To lay partial blame at Kalas’s door is incredibly harsh.

Depends on whether NP trusts Cundy and Moore. Towler still around too at the minute. If he does there is no need to rush another defender in. Counting on players staying fit rather than having 3 options everywhere. 

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2 hours ago, Supersonic Robin said:

It's a decent theory - I suppose it may be transfer-orientated.

However, the main issues I see with that approach are:

A) Even if NP does want to sell Kalas, we need a club who wants to buy him. As far as I'm aware, there hasn't been many rumours to suggest that this is the case.

B) If (A) is accurate and we're not confident of our ability to sell Kalas, you'd imagine NP's thinking may be close to "If we can't sell him, we should use him". It seems very early to sideline Kalas unless we're very confident that we will sell.

C) If we sold Kalas, we'd certainly need to replace him (very well). To fully justify the sale, we'd likely also need to sign a striker using some portion of the funds. Hence, if the plan is to sell Kalas, then we'd need to have identified good targets at CB and ST, be very confident of getting them, and be able to move fast (given that we'll start playing competitive games in a few days). It would feel risky losing such a key player this close to the start of the season.

I'm not sure that trying to sell Kalas is the route that we are/should be going down.

Yeah all of that makes sense… I guess a couple of things we don’t know are:

Is there interest? Rumours don’t always surface and most top leagues are a week or two away from starting and there’s the best part of a month of the window left to go.  
 

Does Kalas want to be here? How did he feel at the end of last season? (Something odd went on). Has the Euros turned his/his agent’s head? 
 

For all his ability, I didn’t see him as a leader or organiser. Maybe NP finds that odd… almost unacceptable for a centre back… it’s certainly not how NP himself was as a player. 

By the way… I know nothing! All idle speculation!!
 

 

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4 hours ago, grifty said:

Let's face it, Baker is going to get injured whether its a light knock or something more serious sooner rather than later, so Kalas will be back in the team.

Now that a significant proportion of his salary depends on him spending minutes on the pitch, rather than the treatment table, we shall see... 

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I wasn't trying to criticise Kalas because if my interpretation of his performances is correct, then he gets my admiration.

But if by trying to be the whole defence himself, then he may have been unaware of the fact. I have never seen a City defence like it in seventy years. The "panic" attempts to clear the ball from the goalmouth to the moon are the worst I can remember and that includes seven relegations and plenty of years when we just avoided the drop.

On the other hand, I may be spouting a load of bollox which should please anyone who feared that one day my belief that I'll get the City managers job will come true!

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2 hours ago, Mendip City said:

Yeah all of that makes sense… I guess a couple of things we don’t know are:

Is there interest? Rumours don’t always surface and most top leagues are a week or two away from starting and there’s the best part of a month of the window left to go.  
 

Does Kalas want to be here? How did he feel at the end of last season? (Something odd went on). Has the Euros turned his/his agent’s head? 
 

For all his ability, I didn’t see him as a leader or organiser. Maybe NP finds that odd… almost unacceptable for a centre back… it’s certainly not how NP himself was as a player. 

By the way… I know nothing! All idle speculation!!
 

The bedrock of all that is OTIB. :) 

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4 hours ago, Big C said:

Could it be just a case that after Kalas's stint at the Euros NP has had longer to work with Atkinson and Baker over the summer and may be more up to speed in the early weeks?

This. He's 2 weeks back.  I suspect will play vs Forest Green and maybe one other game if Baker needs resting before the transfer window and international games.

 

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1 hour ago, cidered abroad said:

@Davefevs

I wasn't trying to criticise Kalas because if my interpretation of his performances is correct, then he gets my admiration.

But if by trying to be the whole defence himself, then he may have been unaware of the fact. I have never seen a City defence like it in seventy years. The "panic" attempts to clear the ball from the goalmouth to the moon are the worst I can remember and that includes seven relegations and plenty of years when we just avoided the drop.

On the other hand, I may be spouting a load of bollox which should please anyone who feared that one day my belief that I'll get the City managers job will come true!

70 years of following the City you deserve a medal as big as a frying pan!🤣

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3 hours ago, Super said:

Really enjoyed that. GT has really turned into a superb sports presenter.

Agreed he's good at doing football interviews.  He's not afraid to ask the difficult question and having been a footballer gives him the confidence to stand up to Nige in particular.    Pretty sure NP didn't remember the game 20p was on about when they played against each other.    Geoff was making it out they were great rivals; bless!

He's been around so long you've got to love him, even though he's a gashead, but there are few things I find more annoying in the whole world than that weird way he reads tweets out on the radio.  

"He - speaks - very - slowly - and - mono-ton-ously - when - he reads - out - tweets - and - why - does - he - need - to  - read  - them - out - anyway - when -we  - can - see - them - on - twitter - ourselves" 

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51 minutes ago, Daniro said:

Agreed he's good at doing football interviews.  He's not afraid to ask the difficult question and having been a footballer gives him the confidence to stand up to Nige in particular.    Pretty sure NP didn't remember the game 20p was on about when they played against each other.    Geoff was making it out they were great rivals; bless!

He's been around so long you've got to love him, even though he's a gashead, but there are few things I find more annoying in the whole world than that weird way he reads tweets out on the radio.  

"He - speaks - very - slowly - and - mono-ton-ously - when - he reads - out - tweets - and - why - does - he - need - to  - read  - them - out - anyway - when -we  - can - see - them - on - twitter - ourselves" 

Because not all radio listeners are on twitter? 🤷🏻‍♂️😉😉😉

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7 hours ago, DaveF said:

Bizarre how some people read into things. I didn't get the impression he doesn't rate Kalas and that he is being sold at all... The questioning was around new signings of which Baker is one, Pearson didn't say he prefers Baker to Kalas.

I'm confident for a decent season, I think if Pearson gets his wish of aggressive play then we will be entertaining to watch.

I don’t think it’s bizarre by any means.  Pearson spent some time talking up Baker and Atkinson, to an extent which suggested that they are his first choice pairing.  Hardly bizarre to consider that perhaps if Kalas is not first choice he will want away.  Given that Pearson also seemed to suggest that he’d like to buy a striker, but only if we sold, then it’s a reasonable suggestion to make. 

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1 hour ago, Daniro said:

Agreed he's good at doing football interviews.  He's not afraid to ask the difficult question and having been a footballer gives him the confidence to stand up to Nige in particular.    Pretty sure NP didn't remember the game 20p was on about when they played against each other.    Geoff was making it out they were great rivals; bless!

He's been around so long you've got to love him, even though he's a gashead, but there are few things I find more annoying in the whole world than that weird way he reads tweets out on the radio.  

"He - speaks - very - slowly - and - mono-ton-ously - when - he reads - out - tweets - and - why - does - he - need - to  - read  - them - out - anyway - when -we  - can - see - them - on - twitter - ourselves" 

On match day GT talks even slower!

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23 hours ago, mightyreds89 said:

Very clear that Baker & Atkinson are his main centre back pairing. Also speaking highly of the presence and influence of Bentley, Wiemann and Chris Martin big positive personalities alongside James and King. 

At what point in the interview have you gleaned this information....   I don't believe this to be the case  The only reason Kalas has not featured is because of the extra time he has been allowed off because of the Euros.  I see Baker and Kalas as the first choice main central pairing, with a young inexperienced Atkinson as back up.  I will be amazed if that is not the line up against Blackpool.?

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40 minutes ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said:

I don’t think it’s bizarre by any means.  Pearson spent some time talking up Baker and Atkinson, to an extent which suggested that they are his first choice pairing.  Hardly bizarre to consider that perhaps if Kalas is not first choice he will want away.  Given that Pearson also seemed to suggest that he’d like to buy a striker, but only if we sold, then it’s a reasonable suggestion to make. 

I think it is bizarre that from what Pearson said that people presume 'he doesn't rate him' and 'he must be off'.

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23 hours ago, Countryfile said:

If we assume Atkinson will partner Baker, and James and King will anchor the midfield then Bentley will captain the team.

I really hope not, when we have Nagy, HNM or Williams who can do that. King should be on the bench and used to help shut the game down with 15 mins left...

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42 minutes ago, old_eastender said:

I really hope not, when we have Nagy, HNM or Williams who can do that. King should be on the bench and used to help shut the game down with 15 mins left...

Massengo isn't fit enough for Saturday and debateable that Williams is ready as well, but I agree about Nagy - he should partner James imo. But if its King, then no problem with that either.

If we have a closed doors game this week to get a couple up to match fit, it may well change.

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1 hour ago, old_eastender said:

I really hope not, when we have Nagy, HNM or Williams who can do that. King should be on the bench and used to help shut the game down with 15 mins left...

People keep saying this about King as if we’re going to be winning on 75 mins or so! It’s been said so often it’s almost become fact. If we’re shutting down games as suggested then I’ll be a happy chappy but I just can’t see it all that often. 

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1 hour ago, old_eastender said:

I really hope not, when we have Nagy, HNM or Williams who can do that. King should be on the bench and used to help shut the game down with 15 mins left...

All about opinions, but how about using King and his very good goalscoring record from midfield to actually try and put us ahead. Big assumption there will be enough games where he will be best utilised closing a game out, we need to get ahead first. 😉

He’s not a defensive midfielder of the ilk of Chris Brunt, he’s a much more box to box (James isn’t just a sitter either), looking to make late runs into the area.  I do think people have got the wrong idea about what his career role has been about.

Maybe he will be used differently by Nige for City than the rest of his career, even Matty James said he’s a box to box midfielder when interviewed by Stanley recently.

5 minutes ago, CyderInACan said:

People keep saying this about King as if we’re going to be winning on 75 mins or so! It’s been said so often it’s almost become fact. If we’re shutting down games as suggested then I’ll be a happy chappy but I just can’t see it all that often. 

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